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Captain Invictus posted:Basically, my shortlist shitlist is so far these series: usagi drop, spotted flowers, fuuka, freezing, wolf guy Noticed you were missing some series.
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I have not read freezing or wolf guy and only know wolf guy as "the rape manga" according to SA, so I will steer right clear of that edit: wait I read a few chapters of freezing and it seemed like boring fanservice dreck so I dropped it after a chapter or two
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Mar 19, 2018 03:58
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Yeah, freezing never seemed like it was anything more than boring crap from the first chapter. It probably gets worse later though. Anyways a good manga updated. https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/yamada_to_kase_san_ch03
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Mar 19, 2018 04:03
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To be fair I imagine I'd feel pretty betrayed if I was reading up to this point and it's a total blindside moment but with this as the only chapter of Spotted Flower I've read I'm pretty interested to see where it goes
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Mar 19, 2018 04:15
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Brainamp posted:Anyways a good manga updated.  As much as I like this particular flashback to highschool, I want to see more of their college life!
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Mar 19, 2018 05:20
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everyone posted:The husband is a giant poo poo. Thanks for the warning.
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Mar 19, 2018 09:29
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Captain Invictus posted:It's not even that, man. The series was pretty good with the wife trying to work around her husband's eccentricities with lots of home life shenanigans, dealing with his insecurities and her needs, issues with being pregnant, all that. Not often you get a series like that.
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Mar 19, 2018 10:04
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It's me, the idiot who's still reading Freezing. It's taken a weird swerve these days as we're learning the origins of the Nova and staggering toward what looks like a climax and I'm determined to see where the hell this all goes. It's been a slog getting here, though, that's for sure.
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Mar 19, 2018 14:58
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Did the main couple in Freezing bone yet, what little I read of it seemed like that was the only conflict that really mattered
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Mar 19, 2018 15:17
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D. Ebdrup posted:Wait, Fuuka as in the sequel to Suzuka? I rather liked Suzuka, and was hoping to read Fuuka when it was completely translated, in the hope that it would be like the sequel; ie. more of the same but with new people and the occational mention of the previous series' protagonists. However, with it being mentioned along with these series, I'm not sure I wanna read it now. from what i know of the series, im pretty sure fuuka would seem downright spiteful to someone who liked suzuka
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Mar 19, 2018 15:18
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Nate RFB posted:Did the main couple in Freezing bone yet, what little I read of it seemed like that was the only conflict that really mattered She's actually barely been in the story for what feels like ages
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Mar 19, 2018 15:25
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Cake Attack posted:from what i know of the series, im pretty sure fuuka would seem downright spiteful to someone who liked suzuka in my mind (I didn't read it but did read some spoilers) it's like the prime example of how awful and ham-handed shounen romance can be.
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Mar 19, 2018 15:37
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D. Ebdrup posted:Wait, Fuuka as in the sequel to Suzuka? I rather liked Suzuka, and was hoping to read Fuuka when it was completely translated, in the hope that it would be like the sequel; ie. more of the same but with new people and the occational mention of the previous series' protagonists. However, with it being mentioned along with these series, I'm not sure I wanna read it now. Premise: the MC falls in love with Fuuka and they start a band together Spoilers for the fuckery Fuuka dies around 30 chapters in (hit by a truck). He uses her death to ~find his voice~ and they continue the band. He eventually meets another singer named Fuuka... whose father was driving the truck.
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Mar 19, 2018 15:42
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omg I didn't know that last part lol
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Mar 19, 2018 15:44
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jackofarcades posted:Fuuka dies around 30 chapters in (hit by a truck). He uses her death to ~find his voice~ and they continue the band. He eventually meets another singer named Fuuka... whose father was driving the truck. That's pretty ballsy. Still though, lol. Also I thought Freezing was just normal shounen superpower/ecchi/harem comedy romance? It doesn't seem like the regular stuff for this thread.
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Mar 19, 2018 15:44
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Recent updates for dramaless het series: Otaku Fujo high school 4-koma, middle school romcom with the reptiles, and 100-yen Game with the office workers
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Mar 19, 2018 16:42
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Yeah, Trucking the most well-written character in it right as they opened up a new path for their character arc to go was terrible and I actively dissuade anyone from reading that series, which is a shame since it's actually pretty good up until thenEverything Burrito posted:in my mind (I didn't read it but did read some spoilers) it's like the prime example of how awful and ham-handed shounen romance can be. edit: I was literally going to mention Between Smooth and Rough too, that's shonen too, right?
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Mar 19, 2018 16:45
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Suzuka itself swerved hard on the ending and was bad. Seriously, all that manga and it ends on Suzuka having to give up all her dreams so she can be a college age mom. To Fuuka.
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Mar 19, 2018 23:34
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More yakuza house husband comedy. http://akibadetectives.tumblr.com/tagged/the-way-of-the-house-husband
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Mar 19, 2018 23:38
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im dal young, who writes freezing and a bunch of other series, is the most ridiculous misogynist i've seen produce manga. he delights in creating female characters and then spitefully tearing them down with cruelty, violence, rape and sometimes mind control. 'terrible things happen to women with big tits' describes his entire body of work. also, freezing is his major success, and he has published hentai rape doujins of his own manga. dude's seriously hosed up and no one should read freezing.
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Mar 19, 2018 23:46
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SwissArmyDruid posted:More yakuza house husband comedy. 
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Mar 20, 2018 01:28
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Cake Attack posted:omg I didn't know that last part lol
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Mar 20, 2018 01:44
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:im dal young, who writes freezing and a bunch of other series, is the most ridiculous misogynist i've seen produce manga. he delights in creating female characters and then spitefully tearing them down with cruelty, violence, rape and sometimes mind control. 'terrible things happen to women with big tits' describes his entire body of work. also, freezing is his major success, and he has published hentai rape doujins of his own manga. even though this was only brought up as an anti-rec it did give me a thought that maybe just as a general content suggestion, if a manga can be described as "is gross to women" it probably doesn't belong in here I feel like that's part of why I have such an aversion to some of the romances geared toward a primarily male audience. I have the impression when reading them that women in those stories are on display for the audience, used as triggers for the MC/reader's emotional distress, or are abused through plot events and need to be saved/protected by the protagonist instead of having their own agency. Seinen stuff is much more of a mixed bag but that's why I tend to broadly write off shounen-type romances (not incl. romcoms mostly but I find those boring for other reasons lol). You can always find exceptions but in general I'm gonna be skeptical at approaching them.
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Mar 20, 2018 02:21
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i hate to tell you this but there's plenty of shoujo that does horrible poo poo to women to get emotional payoff, too also romance novels
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Mar 20, 2018 02:26
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Lmao at the "well actually" That said, I agree with Everything Burrito's point about romances aimed at a primarily male audience, there is kind of a difference on how those stories are written versus ones written for a female audience and trying to brush that off with a, "well that happens in stories for shoujo too" is kind of disingenuous. Compendium fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Mar 20, 2018 |
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Mar 20, 2018 02:40
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Mors Rattus posted:i hate to tell you this but there's plenty of shoujo that does horrible poo poo to women to get emotional payoff, too And a plenty that don't, or which include horrible poo poo as one thing among many rather than as literally the only thing to ever happen to a female character.
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Mar 20, 2018 02:43
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Meanwhile, Perfect World by Aruga Rie has been wrecking my feelings like a good josei romance should.
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Mar 20, 2018 02:46
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Compendium posted:Lmao at the "well actually"
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Mar 20, 2018 02:49
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Compendium posted:Lmao at the "well actually" that's fair and i should avoid posting while i have low blood sugar
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Mar 20, 2018 02:58
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:im dal young, who writes freezing and a bunch of other series, is the most ridiculous misogynist i've seen produce manga. he delights in creating female characters and then spitefully tearing them down with cruelty, violence, rape and sometimes mind control. 'terrible things happen to women with big tits' describes his entire body of work. also, freezing is his major success, and he has published hentai rape doujins of his own manga. I had started reading Freezing when it first came out and this is exactly why I stopped. It started off as some sort of "fight against monsters" thing, but then it completely forgot about the monsters and turned into this weird misery porn where the girls just butchered each other. Eventually I was like, yeah, I'm done with this. Never looked back.
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Mar 20, 2018 03:19
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Captain Invictus posted:Basically, my shortlist shitlist is so far three series: usagi drop, spotted flowers, and fuuka
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Mar 20, 2018 15:34
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Shonen romance protags are the most boring borings to ever bore a bore also, a lot of the shoujo and especially the josei romance I've read gives a huge amount of attention and space to the personality and inner thoughts of their heros and that's super important to me. I like good wholesome people and that's the archetype the shonen protag usually is but you gotta g9ve me some turmoil or just conflicting emotions or character. And real rear end conflicting emotions not just which of these girls that loves me unconditionally do I date type stuff.
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Mar 20, 2018 16:10
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At least there is effort these days in some shonen stuff. Like Tadano from Komi-san, who clearly would love to be more proactive but chooses to put helping Komi become socialized and happy first.
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Mar 20, 2018 16:43
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Yeah, there's definitely been an uptick in decent male leads for shonen mangas, but I feel that the general requirement of writing for most mangas has been going up. The split now is either that or total pandering dreck, like that one anime that was in the Worst Anime of 2017 list with the gyarus.
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Mar 20, 2018 16:59
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Even the good comedy ones i like have boring as heck male leads, theyre buoyed by good premise and writing and the fact they can get away with being funny situation comedies instead of real romances. shoujo is better about making the male leads dynamic and interesting people with more going on than just being good hearted people.
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Mar 20, 2018 17:03
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Cool Josei: Ashi Girl. Time travelling high schooler disguises herself as an ashigaru in sengoku japan and maybe falls in love. It got love action movies but is barely translated, seems a shame. https://mangadex.org/manga/17801/ashi-girl
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Mar 20, 2018 17:09
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Sharkopath posted:Even the good comedy ones i like have boring as heck male leads, theyre buoyed by good premise and writing and the fact they can get away with being funny situation comedies instead of real romances. shoujo is better about making the male leads dynamic and interesting people with more going on than just being good hearted people.
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Mar 20, 2018 17:15
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Captain Invictus posted:Yeah, I'll admit that. And often times even if the shonen romance male protagonists do develop well, they often start out totally bland and generic, again like Asahi in MMS. Took him time to break into his own. I hate the phrase but it's a pixie dream girl sort of thing where the protagonist is almost always an ordinary everyman and all the personality and quirks are bestowed on the romantic cast who help them break out of a shell and or overcome past trauma that is holding them back, usually the trauma isn't revealed until later and doesn't affect their personality before the reveal because it's a later addition by the author. There's tabula rasa shoujo too but the good stuff avoids it by having leads with distinct character from page 1, something I'm having trouble recalling in shonen romance comedy series.
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Mar 20, 2018 17:28
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Sharkopath posted:I hate the phrase but it's a pixie dream girl sort of thing where the protagonist is almost always an ordinary everyman and all the personality and quirks are bestowed on the romantic cast who help them break out of a shell and or overcome past trauma that is holding them back, usually the trauma isn't revealed until later and doesn't affect their personality before the reveal because it's a later addition by the author. With The World God Only Knows the trauma in question isn't revealed until later because it's actually happening throughout the manga.
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I'm in Love and it's the End of the World is so good y'all both protagonists are flawed and insecure and they're learning to communicate and hash things out and even had a blow-up fight and apologized after instead of just sitting on their feelings for drama I feel bad for reading scans right now and as soon as I have money to blow on manga again I'm going to buy the 4th volume
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