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Al-Saqr posted:It’s over Afrin has been taken:- You're completely delusional about the composition and direction of the Syrian rebels.
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No he isn't. Don't you know, Sunnis are always right, regardless of how extremist the rebels' ideology is. Assad is bad because he's secular and he tolerates Israel (they're jews!) and to make matters worse Assad is backed by the perfidious Iranians (they're Shia!)
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Mar 18, 2018 21:58
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You guys can scream and sqwak all you like. I’m right and history proved it. I’m done even trying to argue the facts on the ground. Congrats. Fascism won.
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Mar 18, 2018 22:08
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Al-Saqr posted:You guys can scream and sqwak all you like. I’m right and history proved it. I’m done even trying to argue the facts on the ground. Congrats. Fascism won. Bit rude.
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Mar 18, 2018 22:09
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Al-Saqr posted:You guys can scream and sqwak all you like. I’m right and history proved it. I’m done even trying to argue the facts on the ground. Congrats. Fascism won. The majority of YPG territory is still under their control for now, unlike the majority of rebel controlled territory, so I don't know where you get the idea that you're winning any arguments by saying "scoreboard." Yes, the YPG had unrealistic goals they've failed to achieve, but that doesn't make them any different from the moderate rebels who had their legitimate movement hijacked by monsters the world found even more difficult to live with than Assad. Turkey failed both the YPG and the rebels it feeds scraps now, who they could have worked with from the start instead of empowering ISIS because their first second and third goals were loving the Kurds. If Turkey had been interested in actually working with the US to create safe zones in Syria before the rebellion was lost, acting only when their takfiri proxies were defeated by their hated enemies, who knows how much territory might have been saved from the regime. I like to think that if Erdogan had stuck with his earlier goal of better relations with the Kurds inside his own country instead of provoking a fight with them for political purposes, he could have sent forces across the border to fight ISIS and become a hero to many Kurds there instead of an oppressor. Maybe I'm dreaming though, who knows. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Mar 18, 2018 |
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Mar 18, 2018 22:17
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Sinteres posted:The majority of YPG territory is still under their control for now, unlike the majority of rebel controlled territory, so I don't know where you get the idea that you're winning any arguments by saying "scoreboard." Yes, the YPG had unrealistic goals they've failed to achieve, but that doesn't make them any different from the moderate rebels who had their legitimate movement hijacked by monsters the world found even more difficult to live with than Assad. Turkey failed both the YPG and the rebels it feeds scraps now, who they could have worked with from the start instead of empowering ISIS because their first second and third goals were loving the Kurds. I’m not going to debate anymore with someone who genuinely thinks surrendering to Assad is aviable option and that he’s better in the end. You’re not a decent enough person to justify the time and effort because now I know that your central starting point for your arguments is assad winning. Congrats. You got what you wanted. The ‘better off’ option of Assad won. And just like I argued, the Kurds got nothing in the end to show for it. Al-Saqr fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Mar 18, 2018 |
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Mar 18, 2018 22:20
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Al-Saqr posted:I’m not going to debate anymore with someone who genuinely thinks surrendering to Assad and that he’s better in the end. You’re not a decent enough person to justify the time and effort. Congrats. You got what you wanted. The ‘better off’ option of Assad won. And just like I argued, the Kurds got nothing in the end to show for it. I made a point of saying Assad is the greater of two evils in general but the lesser of two evils for the Kurds, which is only true because Erdogan has openly signaled his intent to engage in ethnic cleansing in Afrin (and empowered ISIS specifically to kill Kurds). But hey maybe I should congratulate you since the TFSA groups get to dominate the Kurds now, just as they demanded when you thought the Kurds should work with them in the past. They may have lost the war, but at least they're not at the absolute bottom of the rubble pile anymore now that Turkey gave them someone else to oppress. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Mar 18, 2018 |
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Mar 18, 2018 22:23
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these are the 'better off' people, these are the people that it's more 'reasonable' to let win, these are the people who at least arent ''filthy Jihadis', these are the people I'm supposed to take as being better than Erdogan :- https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/03/16/i-screamed-but-no-one-came-the-horrifying-sexual-violence-facing-syrias-girls/ Anyone willing to even give an inch to entertain these subhuman animals should kill themselves. Anyone who helps them win deserve to get hosed.
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Mar 18, 2018 22:52
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Again, I said Assad is worse than Erdogan, but it's worth pointing out that the ISIS proxies Erdogan used to murder Kurds took a whole lot of sex slaves, so his hands aren't exactly clean when it comes to sexual violence either. It's cool that you're still mad at some powerless Kurds for not helping rebels who didn't like them either instead of focusing your anger on the guy (whose victory you're celebrating) who could have actually done something to help the rebellion when it still mattered instead of just using it as an opportunity for a power grab of his own. For what it's worth, I do think the YPG are a less extreme version of a problem the rebels had, which is that the groups most able to pull together fighting units in a community aren't necessarily the best groups to ensure the future well being of that community. Nusra was by far the most effective non-ISIS Sunni rebel group, but they were hated by the world and wanted to replace one extremely oppressive murderous dictator with one of their own. The YPG aren't as hated, murderous or oppressive as Nusra, but they obviously had serious diplomatic problems of their own which came back to bite them hard, and there are indications that they aren't particularly interested in sharing power with other factions in their community either. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Mar 18, 2018 |
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Mar 18, 2018 23:21
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Erdogan does not have, nor is there evidence he has ever had, “ISIS proxies.” At worst you can say he turned a blind eye toward IS.
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Mar 18, 2018 23:29
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Squalid posted:Erdogan does not have, nor is there evidence he has ever had, “ISIS proxies.” At worst you can say he turned a blind eye toward IS. Deliberately turning a blind eye to thousands of terrorists freely using your border to recruit and arm themselves because it's convenient to allow them to fight a group you hate is essentially using them as a proxy force. Kobane was about as solid proof as you needed that Erdogan flat out wanted ISIS to crush the Kurds. It was awfully convenient that ISIS targeted an HDP rally when they became a problem for Erdogan politically too, and helped spark the renewed fighting between the Turkish government and the PKK. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Mar 18, 2018 |
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Mar 18, 2018 23:33
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For the curious, here's a link to the full report, where it's mentioned that the rebels do the same stuff. HTH https://reliefweb.int/report/syrian-arab-republic/i-lost-my-dignity-sexual-and-gender-based-violence-syrian-arab-republic
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Mar 19, 2018 00:08
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Al-Saqr mad because the socialists did not surrender to capitalist rebels who offered nothing to the left. The idea that the PYD should have let Assad take Afrin is laughable. Assad has an extremely poor record about using his air defenses against Ottoman aircraft and all of his best troops were in Ghouta anyway. Assad has little interest in attacking Ottoman forces and their puppet militias. Panzeh fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Mar 19, 2018 |
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Mar 19, 2018 00:27
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Applying "capitalist" as the fundamental ideology of any faction in Syria seems immensely intellectually lazy.
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Mar 19, 2018 00:55
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Bip Roberts posted:Applying "capitalist" as the fundamental ideology of any faction in Syria seems immensely intellectually lazy. He's just gimmick posting.
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Bip Roberts posted:Applying "capitalist" as the fundamental ideology of any faction in Syria seems immensely intellectually lazy. Nah. None of the FSA/TFSA groups are avowed socialist groups so i feel pretty safe in saying they're capitalist scum.
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Mar 19, 2018 00:59
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I don't trust Congress to assert their powers when it comes to anything, but if they surprised me on this it would be good. https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/975503375319134208
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Al-Saqr posted:You guys can scream and sqwak all you like. I’m right and history proved it. I’m done even trying to argue the facts on the ground. Congrats. Fascism won. The best part about your gloating is how stupid and wrong you are. The Kurds and SDF control a third of the country with the backing of the US. Losing Afrin canton is bad and all, but that is ultimately as realistic as keeping Sheik Maqsood independent of the regime. Has your enthusiasm for the Kurds being defeated has blinded you to their success everywhere else? Look at a goddamned map. For now, at least, they are in a much more enviable position than the Rebels, having the eastern oil fields and the proven backing of the US being willing to hammer the gently caress out of all their threats. As long as the rebels were funded and supplied by Turkey, they couldn’t ally with the rebels and more than the rebels could ally with them.
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Mar 19, 2018 03:56
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I too remember when the Kurds won the war for Assad, not Russian Air Power and Iranian organization. I remember when the Kurds handed Aleppo to Assad on a platter...by taking some territory as the rebels collapsed. The Kurds broke the offensive potential of the Rebels in Hama. All real things which happened in the fantasy world of a man who calls the Kurds cowards for not fighting Assad, while posting from an absolute dictatorship(honestly you don’t have anything to feel bad about there, you are making the same decision a lot of Kurds, Druze and Syrian Arabs made, to collaborate with the regime, rather than take the risk to fight it).
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I'd say painting the Kurds as either saints or as monsters is utterly stupid in this regard, similar as with the rebels in Syria in general. Heck, I've seen this exact same line of thinking used to justify Assad wiping out the rebels: "The FSA should never have dealt with extremists and chased them out at the very start, now they're all salafi monsters, so go Assad! Kill em all and bomb them hospitals!" I mean sure, you want to keep cheering on the FSA even with their spirit all but subverted by now (according to a lot of their own veteran fighters that were part of that initial push, when the acronym still meant something) and cheer on the perfidious Kurds getting poo poo kicked out of them, because of the bullshit that got stirred between them years back, go right ahead to make yourself feel better. But that won't change Erdogan now free to proceed with his ethnic cleansing in concert with them and Assad to keep brutalizing the rest of Syria. Between those two choices, I'd still prefer the US to just stay in places like Manbij or along the Euphrates to both, keep pummeling Russian mercs and such that try to take back the oilfields and watch Erdogan continue to impotently shout and not have the balls to attack fellow NATO forces that happen to be there. In some ways I almost wish he would try this same poo poo there too. Maybe then Turkey can finally get kicked out of NATO, so as to save everyone the pretense. CrazyLoon fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Mar 19, 2018 |
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Mar 19, 2018 04:06
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Apparently a British lady was fighting with the YPJ https://twitter.com/badmouse101/status/975653258462146560?s=21
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Sinteres posted:He's just gimmick posting. I see the Very Serious People are in this thread to tell us that internationalist socialism is just a gimmick.
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TFSA looting Afrin
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CherryCola posted:Apparently a British lady was fighting with the YPJ Friend of a friend. She's rather distraught. I'm not hard pro-PYD, but I can still hope Erdogan sees some comeuppance.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43463195 Turkish police seize $70m worth of the radioactive element Californium in Ankara while «searching a car » whatever the hell any of that means.
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Saladman posted:http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43463195 cant wait to be nuked to death in a terror attack in the foreseeable future
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Saladman posted:http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43463195 That's a lot of smoke detectors. Edit: Oops, that Americium. Nevermind.
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Nice screen-grab from MS Flight sim... someone put the effort in to download the EgyptAir pack.Chadderbox posted:That's a lot of smoke detectors. quote:Californium-252 has a number of specialized applications as a strong neutron emitter, and each microgram of fresh californium produces 139 million neutrons per minute.] This property makes californium useful as a neutron startup source for some nuclear reactors and as a portable (non-reactor based) neutron source for neutron activation analysis to detect trace amounts of elements in samples quote:Californium-251 has a very small calculated critical mass of about 5 kg (11 lb), high lethality, and a relatively short period of toxic environmental irradiation. The low critical mass of californium led to some exaggerated claims about possible uses for the element.  Fifty-ton shipping cask built at Oak Ridge National Laboratory which can transport up to 1 gram of 252Cf. Large and heavily shielded transport containers are needed to prevent the release of highly radioactive material in case of normal and hypothetical accidents. I think whoever was in that car may be hosed one way or another.
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Cable Guy posted:Nice screen-grab from MS Flight sim... someone put the effort in to download the EgyptAir pack. Good Lord, a 50-ton cask for only one gram? Yea that driver probably won't be having any more children... Edit: Also even more interesting, apparently the US and Russia are the only producers of this particular isotope. Wonder where it came from? Spergin Morlock fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Mar 19, 2018 |
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What are the applications besides being an extremely compact way to store a ton of value?
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Cable Guy posted:Nice screen-grab from MS Flight sim... someone put the effort in to download the EgyptAir pack. The photos of the bust show a brown or coppery looking material. Wiki shows the metal as being grey, so I'm guessing what they seized is an oxide or somehow mixed in. And it shouldn't be that hard to forensically trace the stuff, or at least rule out certain sources. Also I trust nothing coming out of Turkey so who knows wtf is really going on here.
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Chadderbox posted:Good Lord, a 50-ton cask for only one gram? Yea that driver probably won't be having any more children...  Bip Roberts posted:What are the applications besides being an extremely compact way to store a ton of value? Cable Guy fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Mar 19, 2018 |
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Mar 19, 2018 21:31
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Should also be pointed out that Californium is only produced in the US and Russia.
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Bip Roberts posted:What are the applications besides being an extremely compact way to store a ton of value?
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Collateral Damage posted:Is it really compact if you need a five ton box to move a gram of it? I suppose you don't NEED the cask, it's just prudent.
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Collateral Damage posted:Is it really compact if you need a five ton box to move a gram of it? Chadderbox posted:I suppose you don't NEED the cask, it's just prudent. A bigger/thicker container means less radiation and less chance of bad poo poo happening.
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Chadderbox posted:I suppose you don't NEED the cask, it's just prudent. that's a bit like edible mushrooms, 'innit? They're all edible, some however, only once.
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i think the huge reinforced cask isn't entirely for containing the radiation, but also to protect against containment breach in the event of a catastrophic train derailment or the like. still seems like a stretch that you're going to get enough shielding transporting it in a car though
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it reminds me of a russian short story i once read where a desperate nuclear engineer tries to sell radioactive material to the mafia only to have low level mooks kill him and then try to snort the powder assuming that it's some sort of drug
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Ormi posted:Friend of a friend. She's rather distraught. I'm not hard pro-PYD, but I can still hope Erdogan sees some comeuppance. poo poo I'm sorry to hear that. Sounds like quite a few foreign fighters were lost in Afrin. edit: Also pretty crazy that she was fighting against ISIS and ended up being killed by Turkey. CherryCola fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Mar 19, 2018 |
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