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ufarn
May 30, 2009

BIG HEADLINE posted:

nVidia making such a big deal recently about raytracing makes me think back to the console "bit wars" of the 90s.
Like Hairworks, the feature doesn't necessarily have to be useful as long as it can make AMD look bad in benchmarks. No reason to not promote the hell out of it for them.

I do wonder what kind of support and adoption we'll see; I shudder at the software-based implementation of the feature and its impact on FPS.

Already difficult enough to remember which graphics settings are major bottlenecks.

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Arzachel
May 12, 2012

SwissArmyDruid posted:

edit: ack, not the last page. Still, so. We're back to heavy compute on GPUs again, are we? PLEASE don't resurrect the decaying corpse of GCN again, AMD. PLEASE.

I'm getting the exact opposite impression, the announcement makes it sound like the raytracing is done on fixed function hardware and only the denoising step is ran on the shaders.

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


Can't wait to see the rise of raycoins.

AVeryLargeRadish
Aug 19, 2011

I LITERALLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO NOT BE A WEIRD SEXUAL CREEP ABOUT PREPUBESCENT ANIME GIRLS, READ ALL ABOUT IT HERE!!!

coke posted:

So with all the GPU stocks being cleared, does that mean a new product is incoming??

Or just the price is coming down etc and they still have no competition or pressure to release anything new for gamers till end of the year.

It means new GPUs, why else would they stop producing Pascal chips? You make money by moving product, the only reason they aren't making Pascal chips is because they already switched their production capacity over to the new stuff. I don't know when the new cards will come out, Nvidia might be having yield problems or the AIBs might have issues getting enough VRAM but they want this stuff out ASAP so they can sell cards and bring in more revenue.

Alpha Mayo
Jan 15, 2007
hi how are you?
there was this racist piece of shit in your av so I fixed it
you're welcome
pay it forward~


Geez I can't imagine why this card was only used for the past 3 months

repiv
Aug 13, 2009

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:

Can't wait to see the rise of raycoins.

https://rendertoken.com

:v:

Stanley Pain
Jun 16, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

is there a similar rule for xCoins as there is for porn? :haw:

VulgarandStupid
Aug 5, 2003
I AM, AND ALWAYS WILL BE, UNFUCKABLE AND A TOTAL DISAPPOINTMENT TO EVERYONE. DAE WANNA CUM PLAY WITH ME!?




Don’t Deepfakes need a lot of Cuda? Deepcoin is gonna be huge.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

ufarn posted:

Like Hairworks, the feature doesn't necessarily have to be useful as long as it can make AMD look bad in benchmarks. No reason to not promote the hell out of it for them.

AMD should invent some kind of graphics feature that only works on Ryzen APUs

1gnoirents
Jun 28, 2014

hello :)
amd should invent a video card

Wirth1000
May 12, 2010

#essereFerrari

Alpha Mayo posted:



Geez I can't imagine why this card was only used for the past 3 months

Used for 3 months but with the equivalent wear'n'tear of 3 years!!!

3peat
May 6, 2010

Looks like Kyle Bennett was right and from today the "gaming" brands (strix, aorus, etc) are nvidia only, while AMD is relegated to the generic asus etc with the lovely coolers
thankfully Sapphire is still around, they're better and cheaper than all the other brands

EdEddnEddy
Apr 5, 2012



3peat posted:

Looks like Kyle Bennett was right and from today the "gaming" brands (strix, aorus, etc) are nvidia only, while AMD is relegated to the generic asus etc with the lovely coolers
thankfully Sapphire is still around, they're better and cheaper than all the other brands

Hey don't forget VisionTek.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
and asrock

VulgarandStupid
Aug 5, 2003
I AM, AND ALWAYS WILL BE, UNFUCKABLE AND A TOTAL DISAPPOINTMENT TO EVERYONE. DAE WANNA CUM PLAY WITH ME!?




P O W E R C O L O R

90s Solo Cup
Feb 22, 2011

To understand the cup
He must become the cup



I still hold out hope that 3dfx will someday rise out of the ashes of history like a bold, raytraced phoenix.

HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast

Domestic Amuse posted:

I still hold out hope that 3dfx will someday rise out of the ashes of history like a bold, raytraced phoenix.

NVIDIA owns all their assets

axeil
Feb 14, 2006

magimix posted:

As year-end treat for myself, I picked up an ASUS ROG PG279, and it is loving lovely. For me, it stems from a couple of aspects. Previously I could un-cap the frame-rate but then have tearing, and tearing is nails-down-a-chalkboard noticeable and intolreable to me. Screen-tearing pains me. Or I could lock to 60Hz (on my LG 27EA63V-P), but then have some juddering or pacing issues unless I ratcheted settings down sufficiently. With the hardware-sync, I get no tearing, and no need to worry about ensuring absolutely consistency of framerate. I get to crank everything the hell up, squeeze everything I can from my card (the 980ti seems to do alright at 1440p), and it's good times.

To be sure, it was a meaty premium over a 27-inch, responsive monitor *without* G-Sync, but I found it very worthwhile, and pretty much the moment I fired the first game up on it, any fear of buyers remorse entirely dissipated. Hell, I'd get a second one (I have a dual-screen set-up), but my other monitor is fine for media and consoles (PS4, Switch, etc, through a HDMI switcher).

I got a FreeSync monitor about 2 years back and it's been so amazingly useful that I'm cool with being stuck with AMD indefinitely. My RX480 runs a bit hot but after I spent a few days the other month going through and doing a thorough undervolt/underclock it runs perfectly fine for 1080p.

I've also only ever owned ATI/AMD video cards and they've all worked great for me.

axeil fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Mar 20, 2018

ZobarStyl
Oct 24, 2005

This isn't a war, it's a moider.

axeil posted:

I got a FreeSync monitor about 2 years back and it's been so amazingly useful that I'm cool with being stuck with AMD indefinitely. My RX480 runs a bit hot but after I spent a few days the other month going through and doing a thorough undervolt/underclock it runs perfectly fine for 1080p.

I've also only ever owned ATI/AMD video cards and they've all worked great for me.
I can never go back to non-*Sync monitors after having one, even 4k 60 doesn't quite sync as cleanly as a VRR monitor does. Hopefully TV manufacturers start integrating either VRR standard into TVs soon.

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo

Stanley Pain posted:

is there a similar rule for xCoins as there is for porn? :haw:

People are stashing irrevocable child porn links, dox, copyright infringement, and leaked state secrets in the blockchain

quote:

In order to investigate whether this means that bitcoin miners are all in possession of illegal data, a group of German researchers conducted a census of "arbitrary blockchain content" that had been stashed in the blockchain through methods like CryptoGraffiti, the Satoshi Uploader, P2SH Injectors, and Apertus.

They found that there is already a lot of potentially scary stuff stashed (forever) in the blockchain, including extensive links to sites that host images of the sexual abuse of children, backups of the Wikileaks #cablegate data, pro-democracy news that has been banned in China, etc.

This is interesting: on the one hand, it will give authoritarian regimes a perfect rubric for cracking down on Bitcoin ("Every bitcoin miner is a child pornographer!"); on the other hand, it can raise the price of censoring leaks related to government misconduct to the entire value of a nation's cryptocurrency transactions and assets.

Porn is already in the blockchain.

And it can NEVER be deleted.

SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Mar 20, 2018

1gnoirents
Jun 28, 2014

hello :)
yyeah i can see that being used as justification, makes a great headline

AARP LARPer
Feb 19, 2005

THE DARK SIDE OF SCIENCE BREEDS A WEAPON OF WAR

Buglord

Domestic Amuse posted:

I still hold out hope that 3dfx will someday rise out of the ashes of history like a bold, raytraced phoenix.

Same, but Bitboys

repiv
Aug 13, 2009

Oculus started publishing their users hardware stats



I knew NVs marketshare was skewed but... yikes :stonk:

spasticColon
Sep 22, 2004

In loving memory of Donald Pleasance
That real-time ray tracing tech looks cool but it's going to be years or even decades before we see it become the norm in video games. Especially if the true next-gen consoles don't support it because it will be too expensive to put into said consoles. We might see a few games use it here and there exclusively for PC but that will be it.

the nucas
Sep 12, 2002

repiv posted:

Oculus started publishing their users hardware stats



I knew NVs marketshare was skewed but... yikes :stonk:

whenever i upgrade a graphics card, i always look at AMD first. i mean my first loyalty is to my wallet and the performance level i want, but at the same time, gently caress nvidia's stranglehold.

i haven't purchased an amd card in 12 years.

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

repiv posted:

Oculus started publishing their users hardware stats



I knew NVs marketshare was skewed but... yikes :stonk:

Keep in mind this is Oculus hardware stats, not all users. There is a selection effect going on here so it's not representative of all gamers. Since you need relatively high end gear to run a rift, it's not a surprise you find high end NVidia on that chart.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

AMD used to work much more closely with Oculus than NVIDIA did, once upon a time. I don’t know if that’s still the case.

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

Lockback posted:

Keep in mind this is Oculus hardware stats, not all users. There is a selection effect going on here so it's not representative of all gamers. Since you need relatively high end gear to run a rift, it's not a surprise you find high end NVidia on that chart.
The picture on Steam isn't much prettier:

Zil
Jun 4, 2011

Satanically Summoned Citrus


What the hell is the "other" in this case?

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Hacked drivers? Good question.

Malcolm XML
Aug 8, 2009

I always knew it would end like this.

Zil posted:

What the hell is the "other" in this case?

matrox

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

Zil posted:

What the hell is the "other" in this case?
I suspect it's more that Steam couldn't identify it due to hacked drivers or something, but it's possible some people are running esoteric cards like S3 Chromes or have an enterprise board from like Supermicro with a Matrox chip built-in.

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


Wonder if you could get Steam running on like an old WinXP box with a 3DFX card and ancient drivers? Kinda makes me wish I was more of a packrat so I could try.

repiv
Aug 13, 2009

VMs with virtual GPUs probably get thrown in the "Other" pile as well.

Paul MaudDib
May 3, 2006

TEAM NVIDIA:
FORUM POLICE

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

The picture on Steam isn't much prettier:



And remember that the Steam figures include APUs as well, whereas NVIDIA's marketshare is (almost) entirely discrete, so you would expect "gaming systems" to look different even before you cut it down to "VR gaming systems".

Although I guess there might be some old NForce systems still kicking somewhere...

Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Mar 20, 2018

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

Paul MaudDib posted:

And remember that the Steam figures include APUs as well, whereas NVIDIA's marketshare is (almost) entirely discrete. Although I guess there might be some old NForce systems still kicking somewhere.
RIP nForce2 Ultra 400 with "Barton" Athlon XP.

Arzachel
May 12, 2012

the nucas posted:

whenever i upgrade a graphics card, i always look at AMD first. i mean my first loyalty is to my wallet and the performance level i want, but at the same time, gently caress nvidia's stranglehold.

i haven't purchased an amd card in 12 years.

Then you've somehow managed to miss out on all the best GPUs Ati/AMD has put out since R300 :confused:. RV770, Cypress, Tahiti and Pitcairn (once they sorted the frame pacing issues) were all amazing.

Zedsdeadbaby
Jun 14, 2008

You have been called out, in the ways of old.
When you're spending hundreds on a single piece of PC hardware, you're not going to let something as silly as brand loyalty be a factor in your purchasing decision. This has been a general consensus among PC hardware enthusiasts for as long as I can remember. Everyone was using AMD Athlon CPUs back in the day because it was much better value for money. Around that same time everyone had a Radeon 9200 or a 9700 pro as well, because they offered the best price performance ratio, while the GeForce 5700s and 5900s couldn't even render DX9 as advertised properly (and this got found out big time when HL2/Counterstrike Source became massive). Whatever is giving the most performance per dollar is the one that gets bought. It's not like politics or sport or even console gaming where you doggedly stick to one side. I don't think it's strange to see Nvidia getting an enormous share of the market at all.

It is a little bit of a concern right now though, because when it becomes that lopsided, it gets harder and harder for the underdog to come up with something competitive.

1gnoirents
Jun 28, 2014

hello :)

Zedsdeadbaby posted:

When you're spending hundreds on a single piece of PC hardware, you're not going to let something as silly as brand loyalty be a factor in your purchasing decision. This has been a general consensus among PC hardware enthusiasts for as long as I can remember. Everyone was using AMD Athlon CPUs back in the day because it was much better value for money. Around that same time everyone had a Radeon 9200 or a 9700 pro as well, because they offered the best price performance ratio, while the GeForce 5700s and 5900s couldn't even render DX9 as advertised properly (and this got found out big time when HL2/Counterstrike Source became massive). Whatever is giving the most performance per dollar is the one that gets bought. It's not like politics or sport or even console gaming where you doggedly stick to one side. I don't think it's strange to see Nvidia getting an enormous share of the market at all.

It is a little bit of a concern right now though, because when it becomes that lopsided, it gets harder and harder for the underdog to come up with something competitive.


;o

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MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!
Well AMD was able to recover their CPUs after 8 years of mediocrity hopefully they can do the same again on the GPU side, we will be waiting a long rear end time though because the first post-GCN architecture is a long ways off.

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