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a hot gujju bhabhi posted:And how is the dev supposed to know that the tests are mutually incompatible if they can't see the test input or the expected output? Do you not think it's much more likely that the API just changed over time and the question text simply wasn't updated to reflect it? Whichever way it was doesn’t matter for the joke that was being made.
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a hot gujju bhabhi posted:Well it depends at every organisation to be honest. But some organisations do just want someone with very basic skills that they can then train on the job. Please let me know when you find one. Am still looking.
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Mar 15, 2018 05:48
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Sent in the application. If they call me in for an interview, I guess I'll try to fit it in/take some more hours on another day. Still feel like an ungrateful little poo poo for applying for a job less than a month after my full-time contract went into effect, and am ultimately not even sure I'll accept it unless they offer me like $90k or something absurd (for my level of experience and locale.)
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Mar 15, 2018 20:47
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What is an "open source software engineer"? It feels like they're not exactly sure what open source means. Similar to when they're looking for Java/JavaScript experience, perhaps?
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Mar 15, 2018 21:49
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The HR person creating that job posting spend two minutes with the team lead who mentioned they'd like someone whos had experience contributing to open source projects and immediately smashed "OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE ENGINEER" into the input field.
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Mar 15, 2018 22:20
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huhu posted:What is an "open source software engineer"? It feels like they're not exactly sure what open source means. Similar to when they're looking for Java/JavaScript experience, perhaps? Typically means experienced in developing and the SDLC of F/OSS projects, i.e. using GitHub, common build tools appropriate for each language, writing suitable instructions and docs for new users, public bug tracking and feedback, etc.
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Mar 15, 2018 22:45
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huhu posted:What is an "open source software engineer"? It feels like they're not exactly sure what open source means. Similar to when they're looking for Java/JavaScript experience, perhaps?
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Mar 15, 2018 22:48
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Hughlander posted:Whichever way it was doesn’t matter for the joke that was being made. Heh. huhu posted:What is an "open source software engineer"? It feels like they're not exactly sure what open source means. Similar to when they're looking for Java/JavaScript experience, perhaps? I've seen this before, I always assumed it meant developing on open source systems. Linux, .NET Core, etc, etc. But even that is such a broad category that I don't understand how it's helpful. I think now that maybe it's this: MrMoo posted:Typically means experienced in developing and the SDLC of F/OSS projects, i.e. using GitHub, common build tools appropriate for each language, writing suitable instructions and docs for new users, public bug tracking and feedback, etc.
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Mar 15, 2018 22:53
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Yeah, I’m currently in the running for an “open source engineer intern” position, and the interview was a lot of “we want you to upgrade this library to the most recent version and maybe fix bugs?” It was a bizarre interview. They kept on asking what professional coding experience I had, so I kept on talking about my student/side projects. Are companies really expecting a lot of on-the-job experience on a short term intern position?
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Mar 16, 2018 03:03
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NeekBerm posted:It was a bizarre interview. They kept on asking what professional coding experience I had, so I kept on talking about my student/side projects. Are companies really expecting a lot of on-the-job experience on a short term intern position? Reasonable companies generally don't expect that, no. Some will want to have their cake and eat it too, by requiring a candidate to have a non-trivial amount of experience but advertise the position as "entry-level" or internship, so they can pay them less. If they reject you over a lack of experience for an internship position, don't let it discourage you. The first job's the hardest to land, and there are plenty of companies out there with reasonable expectations.
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Mar 16, 2018 06:47
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NeekBerm posted:Yeah, I’m currently in the running for an “open source engineer intern” position, and the interview was a lot of “we want you to upgrade this library to the most recent version and maybe fix bugs?” Not on the whole, no, but there will always be weird outliers. You were right to think that line of questioning was out of place for that kind of position.
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Mar 16, 2018 10:25
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I finished updating my CV, here is an anonymized version. What do yall think?
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Mar 16, 2018 15:34
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It seems to me that you could reorganize it a bit. The purpose of a CV (to me, anyway) is to say how amazing you would be for whatever job you're going for, so you need to provide as much evidence of that as possible as soon as possible. I would flip it around so that the languages, technologies, etc. come first, then the job history, then the education. Employers probably do not care who your supervisors were (unless they're famous, I suppose). It also looks good that you can show 'extra-curricular' things like open-source contribution and coding competitions, so I'd definitely keep them on there.
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Mar 16, 2018 16:00
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NeekBerm posted:Yeah, I’m currently in the running for an “open source engineer intern” position, and the interview was a lot of “we want you to upgrade this library to the most recent version and maybe fix bugs?” Likely answer is that the company doesn't but the interviewer doesn't know any better / isn't thinking. They likely interview dozens of people a year and this may be the only intern role.
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Mar 16, 2018 21:21
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Hughlander posted:Likely answer is that the company doesn't but the interviewer doesn't know any better / isn't thinking. They likely interview dozens of people a year and this may be the only intern role. I'm gonna go with the hidden third answer and say that I'm a poo poo job magnet. I recently had a phone interview from a contracting firm (Syntel) that was throwing up red flags left and right. They called me without setting up an appointment beforehand, didn't have a listed address for the city I was applying for, and offered "extensive training" even though I never mentioned professional development. After doing some digging around, they apparently sue employees for training costs if they leave before their contract date. All I want is a nice entry level job so I can prove that I'm not a big dummy when it comes to programming...
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Mar 16, 2018 23:00
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One of my friends got a job we both gunned for and I'm pretty happy for him. I was a little bit less happy when I got an email just now from the same company blowing smoke up my rear end about how I was a strong candidate and didn't make it because the positions were filled by people with [Qualifications I know my buddy doesn't have, and I know he didn't lie about]. Dunno why they're trying to salvage my feelings when they didn't bother setting up an interview in the first place, but what can you do  .
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Mar 17, 2018 06:30
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Deki posted:One of my friends got a job we both gunned for and I'm pretty happy for him. I was a little bit less happy when I got an email just now from the same company blowing smoke up my rear end about how I was a strong candidate and didn't make it because the positions were filled by people with [Qualifications I know my buddy doesn't have, and I know he didn't lie about]. Dunno why they're trying to salvage my feelings when they didn't bother setting up an interview in the first place, but what can you do Most likely that email was written four years ago, before the current hiring manager even worked there. He or she probably has never read what the email drafted by his or her predecessor says, knowing only that some email is sent out by their applicant tracking system, when they click "reject" and type up a description of the actual reasons you were rejected that, honestly, nobody is ever going to read.
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Mar 17, 2018 07:25
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This thread is super depressing lately
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Mar 17, 2018 08:58
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Love Stole the Day posted:This thread is super depressing lately A year ago I was posting ITT about advice on MSc CS conversion courses. I'm now halfway through such a course, learning loads, working my rear end off and really enjoying it. I followed a lot of the advice about picking up relevant skills, going to meetups, throwing up small projects on GitHub and it made my CV look really strong. Now I've got myself a job offer for a position I really like after a relatively short search. Thanks thread 
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Mar 17, 2018 15:58
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Love Stole the Day posted:This thread is super depressing lately My wife just has her one-year anniversary and I’m about to hit mine at our first real software engineer jobs out of App Academy and life is pretty swell. The job search process had its ups and downs but it was all worth it. So hang in there all ya’ll who are searching. It takes a lot of grit and perseverance but it will pay off.
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Mar 17, 2018 17:24
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Love Stole the Day posted:This thread is super depressing lately I've been trying to career switch to software for two years now and just left a job for the third time (twice laid off, once wasn't a good fit). First time job searching two years ago it took me ~600 applications to get a terrible temp contact. Two weeks ago I was laid off. I've put in about ~40 applications so far, got 5 interviews from that, one with Amazon and some other big names, finally got accepted to Hired and got 4 interview requests from that, and I've had among the sea of recruiters that contacted me, a few are actually internal and really high up. I couldn't be happier. Pretty sure I'll be getting the 6 figure mark this time and actually have experience I can negotiate properly for what I want.
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Love Stole the Day posted:This thread is super depressing lately Since I'm on the other side of the table most of the time, my frustration should be a good sign for job seekers. The market for talent is extremely tight right now, especially for the more skilled applicants. I've lost three candidates I've made offers to (one to Google, one to Facebook, and one to another startup) in the last couple months.
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Love Stole the Day posted:This thread is super depressing lately I think a lot of that is because the success stories aren't going to come haunt the thread (they move on to the Oldie thread to debate capitalism or if social skills are good), and it's the new or current set of people that are struggling to break in. We'll get there Love, it just takes time. Each of us has our own unique path, and some of them are unfortunately more unfair/harder than others. dantheman650 posted:My wife just has her one-year anniversary and I’m about to hit mine at our first real software engineer jobs out of App Academy and life is pretty swell. The job search process had its ups and downs but it was all worth it. So hang in there all ya’ll who are searching. It takes a lot of grit and perseverance but it will pay off. I def would like to hear more stories like this  It helps motivate me and keep me going. I've been a bit down because the technical challenge I mentioned a ways back ended up being way over my head, and I felt like the most garbage programmer that's ever set fingers to keys.Also if anybody wants an ear, a shoulder, or someone to commiserate with about the job search, my PMs are always open.
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I'm job hunting. Does anyone want to suggest a better way to write this sentence? Suggestions for the first sentence are welcome as well. This would be the opening paragraph for a cover letter. Hello! I'm writing to introduce myself and express my interest in working for Foobar Corp. I have spent the last 15+ years working in information technology for a variety of local companies, ranging from chemical manufacturers to health and wellness solutions providers, in a range of roles from web developer to systems administrator.
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Bob Morales posted:I'm job hunting. Does anyone want to suggest a better way to write this sentence? Suggestions for the first sentence are welcome as well. This would be the opening paragraph for a cover letter. I broke the ideas up into individual sentences and reframed the "range of roles" idea as professional skills. If you want to stick with roles, you can list them instead. "I have over 15 years of experience in information technology. My professional skills include foo, bar, and baz. I have worked for companies across many industries, such as manufacturing and healthcare."
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Bob Morales posted:I'm job hunting. Does anyone want to suggest a better way to write this sentence? Suggestions for the first sentence are welcome as well. This would be the opening paragraph for a cover letter. Two notes. 1. I would combine those two sentences and get rid of the hello. Just go right into it and say "I am a good fit for Role X at Foobar company because...." 2. Get rid of the "ranging from..." part and just be specific. Something like "I have worked in industries X, Y, and Z working as a web developer, server admin, support admin, etc."
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CV question: What if someone had done 1-2 years of Computer Science at a university back in the day, flunked it, later picked up a 3-4 year degree in a related field (Systems Administration), but has since acquired a ton of work experience in exactly software development? Would it be a good or bad idea to mention the failed attempt at the CS degree, when looking for a developer job in particular?
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pigdog posted:CV question: What if someone had done 1-2 years of Computer Science at a university back in the day, flunked it, later picked up a 3-4 year degree in a related field (Systems Administration), but has since acquired a ton of work experience in exactly software development? That would look worse to me, someone who is not in charge of hiring decisions, than just putting the degree you did do and the experience you have.
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I have my failed CS degree listed on my resume with no graduation date listed. If asked about it, I just say that I left school to work and never had time to finish the degree afterwards. As far as I know, it has never caused me a problem.
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pigdog posted:CV question: What if someone had done 1-2 years of Computer Science at a university back in the day, flunked it, later picked up a 3-4 year degree in a related field (Systems Administration), but has since acquired a ton of work experience in exactly software development? Don't bother, if you have actual work experience in software devevelopment already, that effectively trumps all your education anyway. Stating what your actual degree is, from where and when you got it should be the extent of your education section.
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Che Delilas posted:Don't bother, if you have actual work experience in software devevelopment already, that effectively trumps all your education anyway. Stating what your actual degree is, from where and when you got it should be the extent of your education section. I don't completely agree with your first sentence. It's true most places, but not everywhere. There are some jobs where knowing precisely how a red-black tree works is more important than being familiar with Jira. Having both formal education and experience, is of course better than either by itself for any job though. Second sentence, I agree with completely.
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Xarn posted:I finished updating my CV, here is an anonymized version. Looks good. I work as a recruiter for a consulting company now and I would contact you for an interview if you were in Belgium. Maybe add something about the work experiences being done with with scrum/kanban, Agile (if they where). MRLOLAST fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Mar 20, 2018 |
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Mar 20, 2018 14:33
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Xarn posted:I finished updating my CV, here is an anonymized version.
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huhu posted:I've been trying to career switch to software for two years now and just left a job for the third time (twice laid off, once wasn't a good fit). First time job searching two years ago it took me ~600 applications to get a terrible temp contact.  Never thought I'd pass an Amazon coding interview but I've been invited to an onsite. Have a second round call tomorrow with another place, just had a first round today and got invited back already during the call for a second.
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huhu posted:
Congrats! That's awesome! You'll have to update us how it goes.
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Shirec posted:Terrible Boss Saga. Shirec you should abandon your coding career to write a novel chronicling your interactions with your boss and your desperate struggle to escape your dilbertian company. I've heard that the secret to good fiction is to create characters and then do terrible things to them, and it seems like your working day is pure nightmare fuel. I think your book would sell millions. On a serious note, I really hope you land a better gig soon. I'm currently in a trilogy coding bootcamp and I've been following the thread to glean any advice I can. I'm pretty sure that I will not fail the fizzbuzz question at this point if I ever land an interview. 
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I'm in my second year of a CS degree, returning to study after an aborted career in academic law and legal research, including a couple of years sunk into a PhD that I decided not to complete. I'm due to finish at the end of 2019 (if I don't do an honours year), and I want to hit the ground running ASAP in terms of finding a job in the industry, preferably outside Australia. So I'm looking for internships now for the end of this year. Looking for some critical feedback on my resume. I'm in the awkward position that nearly all of my experience is in my previous field. My degree program includes a significant research component that is coming up next year, but for now I've tried to emphasise the paltry amount of CS stuff that is there. (I'm working on getting more personal projects done too.) Any help and advice is much appreciated. Edit: I didn't include the abandoned PhD under the education section, but perhaps that's better than having a seemingly spotty work history? Vinz Clortho fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Mar 21, 2018 |
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Mar 21, 2018 02:24
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Chemondelay posted:I'm in my second year of a CS degree, returning to study after an aborted career in academic law and legal research, including a couple of years sunk into a PhD that I decided not to complete. I'm due to finish at the end of 2019 (if I don't do an honours year), and I want to hit the ground running ASAP in terms of finding a job in the industry, preferably outside Australia. So I'm looking for internships now for the end of this year. My experience is that a gap needs to be explained. If you have something to put in there such as pursuing education in a field you ultimately decided to switch away from - that's fine.
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downout posted:My experience is that a gap needs to be explained. If you have something to put in there such as pursuing education in a field you ultimately decided to switch away from - that's fine. I hear you, thanks for the advice; I've updated it. Any other feedback?
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Chemondelay posted:I hear you, thanks for the advice; I've updated it. Any other feedback? In Europe: If it is for an internship as a jr. programmer I would just say identify where you want to work and start connecting with them on Linkedin. Don't connect just to HR but also to Dev team leads etc. If they tell you to send your CV include a cover letter. In your cover letter just write about your passion about coding and why you like the company and that should get you inside for a f2f and then it is up to you to impress with your soft skills. No one has very high expectations about jr's and if you exceed them and stay in touch you probably have a job offer at the end of your studies.
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