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Lightning Knight posted:I’m not sure how that pertains to my question but I see Trump got his talking points from Kelly tonight. Bear in mind PA’s a state where they elect SC justices so, hey, maybe they won’t gently caress up in an election year.
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Paracaidas posted:Out of curiosity: Does this also apply to the converse? Are bad votes mitigated when there is no chance of matters? No, if anything that's even worse because there's no reason to do it other than actually having those opinions (or feeling the need to do so because you think it's required of your constituents/donors, I guess, though that's not really any better since it's still a guarantee that the person isn't good). edit: A good vote in a situation where it doesn't matter is obviously better than the alternative, and I'd choose Gillibrand over someone who didn't even make those token gestures. It's mostly just that I don't give such support much weight when judging a politician, especially in the current political climate where it makes sense for politicians to feel a need to appeal to progressive/left-leaning Democrats* (so it makes sense to be suspect about people who suddenly seem to change their tune, particularly if it's in ways that don't have any chance of actually achieving the progressive goals in question, even though such people are still obviously preferable to the ones who don't even do that). * A very good reason to be skeptical is that all the current obvious potential presidential contenders have been very conspicuously voting more progressively, sometimes in ways you wouldn't normally expect them to. It's good that this pressure is obviously there, but I wouldn't trust them to actually support progressive policy if it had a realistic chance of passing. I feel like there's a very high risk of another Obama happening, and it makes sense to be skeptical by default of these folks. People have short memories (or weren't old enough when Obama was first elected) and tend to just assume a politician agrees with them if they say the right vague things signalling progressive intentions, but that isn't good enough. A big advantage Sanders has (relative to the competition) is that he at least has a long history of reliably supporting certain things (and even then I'm not entirely sure I trust him to not compromise his values if he actually became president, since it's hard to predict that sort of thing). Office Pig posted:By moving right. Again. lol, I wish Trump were right and all these Democrats were actually secretly concealing the fact that they're socialists. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Mar 21, 2018 |
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This is a smart and not at all catastrophic attitude. https://twitter.com/geoffstellfox/status/976264679260598273 (Yes I know what the district is like, my statement stands.)
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Office Pig posted:This is a smart and not at all catastrophic attitude. Lipiski loses to a Nazi
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Office Pig posted:This is a smart and not at all catastrophic attitude. What the gently caress kind of democrat actually bothers to leave their house to vote for a piece of poo poo like Dan Lipinski (or Cuomo) in a primary. We will never get real progressive reforms until we can purge people like this in primaries.
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mcmagic posted:What the gently caress kind of democrat actually bothers to leave their house to vote for a piece of poo poo like Dan Lipinski (or Cuomo) in a primary. We will never get real progressive reforms until we can purge people like this in primaries. A bunch of Democrats, particularly older and more well-off ones, basically perceive Democrat vs. Republican as a cultural thing, where Democrats represent people who have a higher education and speak with a "neutral" American accent, while Republicans represent rednecks and fundamentalist Christians. There's not any particularly coherent ideology involved, and they're driven more by antipathy towards the idea of dumb rednecks and feel they represent "reasonable" people who talk, dress, and act a certain way.
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Office Pig posted:This is a smart and not at all catastrophic attitude. 
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Office Pig posted:Bear in mind PA’s a state where they elect SC justices so, hey, maybe they won’t gently caress up in an election year. What I'm hearing is the Philly burb Republicans won't vote for impeachment because they are vulnerable to a blue wave and that should be enough to stop it. As someone who knows Philly burb Repbulicans though I don't know.
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hwat was it
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Ytlaya posted:A bunch of Democrats, particularly older and more well-off ones, basically perceive Democrat vs. Republican as a cultural thing, where Democrats represent people who have a higher education and speak with a "neutral" American accent, while Republicans represent rednecks and fundamentalist Christians. There's not any particularly coherent ideology involved, and they're driven more by antipathy towards the idea of dumb rednecks and feel they represent "reasonable" people who talk, dress, and act a certain way. And you have people in my hometown rolling coal and voting for Matt Bevin to take away their healthcare to own the libs. What's your point exactly? EugeneDebsWasCool fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Mar 21, 2018 |
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Flavahbeast posted:hwat was it Post about campaign funding, specifically the influx of anti-abortion PAC money into Lipinski’s campaign and the total absence of pro-choice support for Newman.
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PA has a Democratic Governor so its not like the GOP can just stack the court there. The Governor will just appoint some temporary judges, right?
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Mantis42 posted:PA has a Democratic Governor so its not like the GOP can just stack the court there. The Governor will just appoint some temporary judges, right? I think this is probably the most clear-cut case calling for actual armed insurrection I've ever seen in my lifetime. Pennsylvania Republicans need to literally hang for this, whether it's mob justice that does the job or whatever.
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here's a less hysterical article about what's going on with the impeachment threat http://www.mcall.com/news/nationworld/pennsylvania/mc-nws-republicans-impeach-democratic-judges-congress-map-20180320-story.html quote:Right now, it doesn’t look like the Republican-led House is willing to start the proceedings. The resolutions were signed by low-ranking Republicans.
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EugeneDebsWasCool posted:And you have people in my hometown rolling coal and voting for Matt Bevin to take away their healthcare to own the libs. What's your point exactly? ??? I was replying to mcmagic's question about what sort of Democrat would vote for a Democratic politician who has really lovely ideology/politics (like Lipinski) by pointing out that many Democrats vote more off a vague sort of cultural opposition to a certain sort of conservative person than a coherent ideology and set of policy goals. This is the same thing many/most Republicans also do, just with a different target culture they dislike. Just because someone says something negative about a Democratic politician or some liberal voters does not mean they're a Republican or attacking them from the right.
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Reminder of what PA judges have been up to in the past: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal Basically I hate my state and think Philly and burbs should join New Jersey. It couldn't be worse, right? Krasner for Governor of New Penn-Jersey.
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Reminder of what PA judges have been up to in the past: come on man, Jersey loving sucks everyone knows this
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FuriousxGeorge posted:It couldn't be worse, right? This is America. You should know better than to ask that question.  Especially when it comes to the state that elected Chris Christie twice.
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New Jersey hasn't elected a Republican to the Senate since the 1970s, so we can't be that bad.
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Office Pig posted:By moving right. Again. i always think to myself it's not really gaslighting if he truly believes the false poo poo he says.
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Groovelord Neato posted:i always think to myself it's not really gaslighting if he truly believes the false poo poo he says. Dementia's a hell of a drug. He doesn't believe a loving thing because two seconds after he said it he never said that.
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Reminder of what PA judges have been up to in the past: I’m on board. Only South Jersey though.
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Blue wave is going to be a wet fart when they get in and do literally nothing except maybe give Dreamers another two years of limbo.
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Who is the best politician in America? Keith Ellison. quote:KE: No—I made a statement about maximum wage. . . This idea that you can leave people in poverty as you are stacking up dead presidents like nobody's business has got to come to an end. I mean the CEO of McDonald's makes $3000 an hour and they're fighting people getting $15 an hour.
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Lightning Knight posted:Who is the best politician in America? I mean I'm all for reoccupying Japan but this might not be the best reason.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Isn't the guy who runs Toyota Japanese? What?
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Lightning Knight posted:What? I still think we should invade Japan though.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I read that end bit wrongly.  How about... nah? I mean, like, why tho? I know they have a lovely government and stuff but it's not like a US invasion has ever fixed that for a country.
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Reminder of what PA judges have been up to in the past: NJ gets Philly & Burbs, PA gets Warren & Sussex counties. Blow up I-78 and I-80 at the new border, everyone is happy.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:It went pretty well in the 40's, and well I admit it hasn't worked since, I feel like we're due. Is this about anime? Are you proposing that we take over the source of the animes to ensure it continues? Because I oppose this plan.
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Lightning Knight posted:Is this about anime? Lightning Knight posted:Because I oppose this plan.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:We must secure the means of production of animes. I am ok with going down in history as the man who stood against your anime imperialism.
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There's a case in the Supreme Court right now about California's attempt to regulate "Crisis Pregnancy Centers" (anti-choice propaganda), and it's likely that California's regulations will be struck down.  Also: conservative justices still bein' casually sexist to the female justices. Edit: An analysis of Trump's trade policy, neoliberal responses, and what the left should do by Robert A. Blecker, a professor of economics in DC. quote:A true US industrial revitalization would require the exact opposite of the Trump administration’s domestic policies. The government would have to plow significant resources into technological research, scientific education, and worker training to develop the industries of the future. The country needs massive public investment in infrastructure, financed by trillions of dollars of federal spending — not by sending the bill to state and local governments or privatizing infrastructure as the Trump administration is proposing. The US needs to address global warming by developing renewable energy, including solar and wind power, to replace carbon-based fuels. It also needs to reverse the class warfare that has redistributed income upward and concentrated power in the hands of billionaires. Taken together, these kinds of policies would create far more employment than Trump’s tariffs — including in sectors like steel that would supply key inputs. Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Mar 21, 2018 |
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if they strike it down say goodbye to texas laws requiring doctors to say a bunch of lies about the dangers of abortion.
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Groovelord Neato posted:if they strike it down say goodbye to texas laws requiring doctors to say a bunch of lies about the dangers of abortion. The article mentions this but that assumes that conservative justices apply the law they make up consistently and logically, and lol at that.
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