|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 14:39
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 15, 2024 16:01 |
|
|
Some kind of insane US invasion of mainland China is, like, the Hell Timeline
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 14:39
|
|
|
Pirate Radar posted:Some kind of insane US invasion of mainland China is, like, the Hell Timeline You checked the news lately son
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 14:42
|
|
|
The actual reason why Beijing might be worried about Iraq might have much more to do with the US invading a mid-sized country with a large, politically motivated army that mostly fields Soviet or Soviet-derived equipment and schooling them in a way that might make the US more confident about further such wars, i.e. with North Korea, but yes, again, Hell Timeline and armchairgeneral.jaypeegee
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 14:42
|
|
|
feedmegin posted:So, what, the US rocks up a few carrier battle groups literally right up to the coast and everything's gravy and they're left unmolested in any way? The ocean is one thing, littoral waters are another, and also last I looked Beijing isn't on an island. Exactly what in the Chinese navy or airforce is going to stop a US carrier group? And again, just having a billion people in China does nothing to stop the US from blowing the poo poo out of the roads and bridges in China. That army isn't going anywhere the US doesn't want it to go. The US making landfall in China would be trivial.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 14:43
|
|
|
Atlas Hugged posted:Exactly what in the Chinese navy or airforce is going to stop a US carrier group? And again, just having a billion people in China does nothing to stop the US from blowing the poo poo out of the roads and bridges in China. That army isn't going anywhere the US doesn't want it to go. The US making landfall in China would be trivial. Somewhere a Marine General has a hardon and knows exactly why.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 14:46
|
|
|
Atlas Hugged posted:Exactly what in the Chinese navy or airforce is going to stop a US carrier group? Diesel subs, defensive minefields, land-launched antiship missiles. Do you think US Navy ships are invincible sea gods or something?
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 14:47
|
|
|
feedmegin posted:So, what, the US rocks up a few carrier battle groups literally right up to the coast and everything's gravy and they're left unmolested in any way? The ocean is one thing, littoral waters are another, and also last I looked Beijing isn't on an island. Bruh just grab a few steam ships and sail up to bejing, bada bing bada boom burn the summer palace
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 14:49
|
|
|
The book The Next 100 Years kind of talks about this. America really wouldn't even have to invade just prevent any Chinese ships from leaving their harbor and have the whole country start eating itself. Now I think China was talking about building shore line missile to take out ships within 50 miles but that seems to be most they have been dealing with their military besides putting down unrest in other parts of the country.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 14:51
|
|
|
Pirate Radar posted:Somewhere a Marine General has a hardon and knows exactly why. I mean yeah this is all Hell Timeline stuff and it lord help us if we ever saw it in our lifetimes, but I really don't think in a conventional war a China that hasn't fought a war since it lost to Vietnam would be able to withstand a legitimate attempt by the modern US military to invade.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 14:53
|
|
|
feedmegin posted:I absolutely agree that China is going to lose if it fights a war overseas against the US in someplace-that-is-not-China. The original post, however, was 'a party that loses Beijing is never going to have legitimacy in China again' and I do not believe the US can just waltz in and capture Beijing easy peasy no muss no fuss.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 14:56
|
|
|
feedmegin posted:Diesel subs, defensive minefields, land-launched antiship missiles. Do you think US Navy ships are invincible sea gods or something? Not at all, but I also don't think that an untested navy against a navy that has been projecting power and engaging in actual combat missions for decades is going to be threatened by diesel subs. I didn't say there would be no losses. I said US victory was assured and that landfall itself would be trivial. But the only factor in any of this that matters is that China is nuclear. BexGu posted:The book The Next 100 Years kind of talks about this. America really wouldn't even have to invade just prevent any Chinese ships from leaving their harbor and have the whole country start eating itself. Also this. Like the US fleet is more or less already in the region or can be in a day. I highly doubt a few diesel subs that we can hear coming are going to be much of a threat.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 14:57
|
|
|
I want it to happen, please.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 15:02
|
|
|
Atlas Hugged posted:Ultimately, the most likely scenario for China v. USA is either China invading Taiwan and the US intervening or China deciding to go into the South China Sea as a way to test its capabilities and the United States backing up Vietnam or something. It seems almost inevitable that China is eventually going to go into the South China Sea in a big belligerent way and, subsequently, that a coalition of nations in the region wind up opposing them, knowing that the alternative is eventually winding up in Tibet's shoes within a few decades. The only real question is whether anyone in the West will join in on the party, and if so, how many, and if so, just how badly China winds up getting beaten up before the conflict ends. Given their eternal victimization complex, it'll be ugly for a long time afterward, whatever the outcome.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 15:04
|
|
|
Kharnifex posted:I want it to happen, please. You just want us all to die in nuclear hellfire. EimiYoshikawa posted:It seems almost inevitable that China is eventually going to go into the South China Sea in a big belligerent way and, subsequently, that a coalition of nations in the region wind up opposing them, knowing that the alternative is eventually winding up in Tibet's shoes within a few decades. That's basically the direction it's been heading in for the last decade, yeah. That's what makes Duterte's overtures so worrisome. Prior to him, the Philippines fighting alongside Vietnam as a US proxy military was a given.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 15:06
|
|
|
https://i.imgur.com/5coHmC9.gifv
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 15:07
|
|
|
Atlas Hugged posted:Exactly what in the Chinese navy or airforce is going to stop a US carrier group? And again, just having a billion people in China does nothing to stop the US from blowing the poo poo out of the roads and bridges in China. That army isn't going anywhere the US doesn't want it to go. The US making landfall in China would be trivial. going by what’s been in the news just set up some coral reefs and send out some fishing boats and the us navy will sink itself
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 15:10
|
|
|
You know what was a kickass game? Jane’s Fleet Command. I know there’s a new thing like that out, maybe I’ll give that a try.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 15:23
|
|
|
Pirate Radar posted:You know what was a kickass game? Jane’s Fleet Command. I know there’s a new thing like that out, maybe I’ll give that a try. Next time I'm in town we should organize a bridge simulator.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 15:47
|
|
|
https://my.mixtape.moe/cvvfut.mp4
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 15:56
|
|
|
This is the most normal and healthy behavior I've seen in a video in this thread since I started reading it, months ago.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 16:26
|
|
|
If the Chinese military is anything like the Police and security officers I saw in Beijing, it's all just kids playing on their phones. They will hire anyone with a pulse it seems.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 16:40
|
|
|
CIGNX posted:Posting on lucky page 800 Thanks this song is a loving banger
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 16:45
|
|
|
eggyolk posted:If the Chinese military is anything like the Police and security officers I saw in Beijing, it's all just kids playing on their phones. They will hire anyone with a pulse it seems. The PLA is a great way for guys from rural provinces to get a pretty good job, which apparently leads to a bunch of dudes showing up to basic training speaking Mandarin with hilarious, undecipherable backwoods accents because they grew up speaking bum-gently caress-zhou-ese instead and never had to talk to people from outside of their province before.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 17:13
|
|
|
Pirate Radar posted:The PLA is a great way for guys from rural provinces to get a pretty good job, which apparently leads to a bunch of dudes showing up to basic training speaking Mandarin with hilarious, undecipherable backwoods accents because they grew up speaking bum-gently caress-zhou-ese instead and never had to talk to people from outside of their province before. But doesn't that help the PLA through? Its seems the PLA job is to put down unrest so get a bunch of hicks from one province and then send them to another province where no one has any idea what the other is saying until the bullets start flying.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 17:26
|
|
|
Someone mentioned it already, but the Chinese getting to play victim for the next 900 years on whoever attacked them is a greater deterrent than their nuclear arsenal
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 17:26
|
|
|
So basically their deterrence strategy is to be so whiny that nobody wants to attack them because we'd never hear the end of it.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 17:28
|
|
|
Oh I forgot Chinese gays love love LOVE calling themselves + everything around them "fags", which I assume they learned from TV or something. Like not even in a joking self-deprecating way, I had to ask one or two dudes to cool it and explain that it's not as hilarious as they think.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 17:29
|
|
|
BexGu posted:But doesn't that help the PLA through? Its seems the PLA job is to put down unrest so get a bunch of hicks from one province and then send them to another province where no one has any idea what the other is saying until the bullets start flying. In that situation, it’s a bonus, but in a lot of other situations, like... basically any other military operation, it’s not, so IIRC they do put people through remedial Mandarin courses to make sure they can do poo poo like talk on the radio without it sounding like gibberish to everybody else.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 17:31
|
|
|
i do this to my pet bird lol
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 18:50
|
|
|
Bajaj posted:The best part was she told me she was in the supermarket getting stuff for dinner, and she sent me a photo of a hand basket with about six bags of potato chips and a few cans of Pringles in it, and nothing else. She could probably staple a bunch of chips together and sprinkle some chives on it.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 19:48
|
|
|
I'd like to see how long the CCP could stay in power when a bunch of carrier groups just blockade the mainland for a bit.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 19:59
|
|
|
Power Khan posted:I'd like to see how long the CCP could stay in power when a bunch of carrier groups just blockade the mainland for a bit. the carriers will still let stuff out tho right????
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 20:09
|
|
|
The new Chinese frigates are a real threat to carriers if they can have air superiority/cover. Since that’s not ever happening any time soon it’s moot. It’s all about the nukes baby!
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 20:27
|
|
|
The PLA is mostly for putting down civil unrest and disaster relief not fighting foreign militaries.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 20:56
|
|
|
Chinese trade gets disrupted for more than a few weeks, PLA puts down the unrest and protects government as the country collapses in on itself. It's basically invincible.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 21:26
|
|
|
LingcodKilla posted:The new Chinese frigates are a real threat to carriers if they can have air superiority/cover. Since that’s not ever happening any time soon it’s moot.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 22:03
|
|
|
Coolguye posted:but here we are, 2017-2018, and strong pappy xi is still totally cleaning up the army at long last guys, for serious now! loving naval gazers are rubbing their chins over how this totally is about their expansionist desires and increased saber-rattling and missing the basic point that watching their worst fears come to life right in front of them couldn't make real reforms happen. but no, totally, base greed will prove to be more powerful than existential dread, and this totally is not a political purge of people xi doesn't think he can trust in his all-consuming political apparatus. What the gently caress does a naval gazer know about the army?
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 22:40
|
|
|
Actually you guys are all wrong. From the D&D China thread I've learned that in any conflict with the west China has the moral and ethical upper hand. China is a united cultural state while the west is crumbling. China has troops motivated by legitimate patriotism and ideology and history while US soldiers are only motivated by money and racism and will crumble when faced with a culture as united and advanced as China.
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 22:58
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 15, 2024 16:01 |
|
|
Ah, the shield of ideology and patrioti.. *dronestrike*
|
|
#
?
Mar 21, 2018 23:01
|
|