CharlestheHammer posted:

I think you misunderstood my point, I am not on KJs side here. I am mainly against the use of a Right Wing talking points she keeps using as a defense. Those are insane.

Hemingway To Go! posted:

The two or three videos I watched were recent and did not give me an impression that he gave a poo poo about children watching his videos
One of them was the one of Akiba Red who is a red ranger from an adult-aimed sentai parody series. The character is anime-obsessed shutin and his anime waifu becomes armor and weapons, so of course that's not really a kids toy. but Jobby kind of went too far in an unfunny way when talking about "waifus" including a dirty picture of Judy loving Hopps and telling viewers to look up Onaholes.

Arcsquad12 posted:

I would just like it if we could talk without erupting into all out war every two days. It was nice when content creators used to hang out here but more and more they keep away, and with good reason.

Puppy Time posted:

Yo Kim I'ma share advice that's helped me:

If someone calls you out in a way that you don't think is fair, and it gets under your skin and you feel really upset about it, don't respond. Close the window, get away from the computer if you need to. Go do something that makes you feel better. If you're in a particularly bad place, just take a break from the thread for a while.

Nine times out of ten, this poo poo will just blow over, nobody will remember it later, and you will feel a lot better having not waded into another fruitless argument. We don't tend to remember the people who say something that someone disagrees with and then just sits on their hands. We remember the people who feel the need to Get Into It for multiple page arguments. (And after like a week you probably won't remember what the gently caress the callout was even about.)

Like yeah, if you're feeling attacked, you'll feel the instinct to respond. But in venues like this, it's actually much, much better to just let it go and let other people be wrong. Both for your rep and for your stress levels.

Augus posted:

Jim Sterling's new video Would Be Perfect On The Switch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo-3eSYGKy0

Pirate Jenny posted:

even suggest that maybe I deserve this targeted harassment

Pirate Jenny posted:

Hi Kim,

The "documentary" Jim did has resulted in the worst harassment I have ever gotten in eight years of being a web content producer. This includes gamergate, which he also had a hand in starting. This started in October and has barely abated. They follow me across platforms, parroting Jim's nonsense. I've gotten hundreds of variations on "kill yourself" since October, which I've had to stay silent on because bringing attention to it only increases their numbers. They called my mother at my house to let her know that I was a drunk and an abortionist. At her loving house, Kim. I could go on, but the point is, after years of being a lady on the internet, only jim has been so successful at whipping up his followers into such a targeted frenzy. I do not say anything about it, because these people cannot be reasoned with. Their raison d'etre is to cause their targets pain and misery. They are in it, as they say, "For the lulz", and mere acknowledgement of their tactics is in and of itself a win.

And before you get defensive about this, and to maybe contextualize this, downplay it or even suggest that maybe I deserve this targeted harassment, because hey it was my decision to put myself out there (I've had to cut ties with a few because they believed this very thing), I ask you to please consider for a moment to not react in the heat of the moment, and instead to perhaps consider why Dan and I get so upset when you try to play "both sides" with Jim. Either you are willfully ignoring his harassment brigades, or you simply did not know. Well, now you know, and as the occasional victim of harassment yourself, perhaps you might be able to empathize with why trying to play "both sides" with a person who has been the locus for so much fear and misery for not just us but many, many others might arouse some upset feelings. I, personally, was pretty upset at how it was more important to you to give people like Jim the benefit of the doubt than to feel for his victims, so I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming that you simply do not know how bad his harassment brigades get, because if you don't travel in the circles of his audience, how would you know? I'm just here to clarify - it's really, really bad. And now you know. Stop giving people like Jim the benefit of the doubt.

Zedd posted:

My new thread will be up on friday around 20:00 GMT+1. Feel free to lock or cooldown this one till then.

I'm also going to try to be nice with rephrasing the posting guidelines because while I myself really don't like to associate with (alt-)right people either I do agree that sometimes posts go from 0 to 100 fast in both the good and bad ways.

Kim Justice posted:

Thanks.

There are times when I shouldn't come in here. Yesterday was one of those times (and no, it's not because of drink or anything. Yes, that makes me sound like an alcoholic). I'm getting a lot of nasty poo poo right now which I'm not going to give the oxygen of publicity to, simply for defending friends of mine. So what do I do? Come in here, get into a fight and get MORE poo poo. It's really stupid.

corn in the bible posted:

i wonder what average sales is on steam, ignoring the big budget aaa games. it'd be interesting to figure out how cheap your game needs to be, on average, to actually make money.

nine-gear crow posted:

Might I suggest two updated semi-serious entries to the rules for the sake of maintaining the peace?

1) No BravestOfTheLamps
2) No Kim Justice

Thank you.

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

Probably would have been more effective to lead in with that.

Augus posted:

thats how I ended up making and deleting three separate twitter accounts


$5 or less, probably. Steam Sales kinda hosed up the entire concept of monetary value on there.
I should totally pick up Blossom Tales speaking of which. I adore top-down Zelda and games that take inspiration from it.
The Switch really is doing great poo poo for Indie games as Steam steadily goes down the shitter. Celeste was freaking amazing and I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that it would've been overlooked entirely if not for being released on the Switch, where it became one of the best selling games on Nintendo's digital marketplace and got picked up by many of the big youtube "influencers". Hollow Knight will probably be getting a big bump in sales when it gets to Switch later this year, as it rightfully deserves.

There is still shovelware on Switch but its in controlled amounts. The eshop's new releases are at a steady pace, not the tedious dripfeed that it was in the Wii U years and far from the constant barrage of poo poo that steam's "New Releases" are, with hundreds of near-identical games flooding out constantly. Not to mention when I'm trying to actively search for a certain kind of game and have to click past every single microtransaction for battlerite or some poo poo.

The eshop is in a wonderful place right now and apparently Nintendo has plans to make it even easier to find games.

corn in the bible posted:

No, I mean I want to know how cheap to MAKE a game must be in order to profit.

All these people on the internet approach Steam from a consumer's perspective and it's like, "I hope xyz gets ported to Steam!!" etc but I bet the price of doing so is more than games actually earn, on average.

Maybe I'll do some analysis and make a video about it.

Zedd posted:

My new thread will be up on friday around 20:00 GMT+1. Feel free to lock or cooldown this one till then.

Lightning Knight posted:

Last I checked, Steam takes a 30% cut of every sale.

lornekates posted:

Nah, I've seen the thread be way worse.

So my understanding is the new thread will mainly be a PYF / proto-RSS feed of new stuff, rather than a discussion about content/creators?

If it's just going to be this thread, but v4.0 with some better rules, I'll lock this thread on the way out. Otherwise, I'll keep this one open so when/if people start stuff in the other thread, they can be told "Take that poo poo to 3.0".

business hammocks posted:

I’ve honestly had and read better cultural politics discussion here than most other places I go for that

corn in the bible posted:

i wonder what average sales is on steam, ignoring the big budget aaa games. it'd be interesting to figure out how cheap your game needs to be, on average, to actually make money.

Lightning Knight posted:

Last I checked, Steam takes a 30% cut of every sale.

business hammocks posted:

I’ve honestly had and read better cultural politics discussion here than most other places I go for that, even though I don’t really like the anime and video games and The Troubles. I ‘m guessing it’s the same but inverted for lots of others.

Augus posted:

EDIT: Didn't see Lindsay's post while I was typing this. Man that is just horrible.
Just want to say that you're good people that have been an inspiration. All the thread drama in the world doesn't change how much of a positive force your work has been in a very negative time.

Paladin posted:

Yeah the high points of this thread have been worth it despite the BS. One thread and one alone!

lornekates posted:

So my understanding is the new thread will mainly be a PYF / proto-RSS feed of new stuff

Zedd posted:

It was my understanding we just wanted a 4.0 and opened it up a bit from from "internet critic" to "internet critics, personalities and reviewers". So basically the current content with more Toys and less worrying over if it belongs in here or not.

Dragonatrix posted:

For all this thread's faults, it's still to its immense benefit that it is not just an RSS feed of Youtube subscription notifications. Having a thread that is just "[x] released a video on [y], let's proceed to not talk about it!" is pretty much pointless, IMO.

Hemingway To Go! posted:

there was a PYF thread for internet critics that disallowed "drama" as a response to this one, and it died pretty quickly. Just putting that out there.

Baka-nin posted:

Yeah, despite the bad rep this thread gets -and a lot of it is deserved to be fair- its introduced me to a lot of interesting media and things.

Like I forget who it was but someone in the thread recomend the Satyricon a Roman bawdy sex comedy. I can now honestly gloat that I have read a classic of antiquity.

Pirate Jenny posted:

Zedd posted:

It was my understanding we just wanted a 4.0 and opened it up a bit from from "internet critic" to "internet critics, personalities and reviewers". So basically the current content with more Toys and less worrying over if it belongs in here or not.

business hammocks posted:

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the video-producing lines have broken down not necessarily along explicit political lines (in terms of video content), but with a consensus among the 4chan crowd that people making thoughtful, analytical videos valuing honesty and a desire to do better are on a deep level a threat to and the enemy of the narcissistic and self-soothing viciousness of zero-edit, three-hour rants by greasy-haired Carl Benjamin or one of twelve-dozen identical white boys hiding behind a cartoon drawing with the Dreamworks smirk.

I don’t want to overstate anything, but there probably are children learning how to think and pose questions because of Lindsay and everybody else, and without the video essay form being pushed and refined by minds that care, those kids would be drinking in Armored Sceptic or somebody, simply for want of an alternative.

It was passé or unforgivably naive for a while to think that there was anything humane or ethical about criticism, but that’s clearly wrong and I hope the work is able to continue.

Augus posted:

Jim Sterling's new video Would Be Perfect On The Switch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo-3eSYGKy0

SatansBestBuddy posted:

Lindsay you've had a wonderfully positive influence on my life and I'm disappointed in myself that I can't vocalize that enough to drown out all of that loving bullshit.