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Bhodi posted:how much of that is the contrast of the recording though not even 7 bits of contrast in that area of the video frame so its completely due to the way the video is delivered i'm also guessing thats not from the cameras used for driving. i'd be shocked if they didn't have 16 bits of resolution
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like as teenagers we learned the trick of dragging a $1 dollar store lifesize baby doll on a 50 foot rope behind my friend's Buick as a way to Keep Driver Awareness Up they dont even have the fuckin rocket surgeons needed to think up ideas like this to do baseline tests on "is this loving retarded poo poo or not" hire me
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even if the lidar and radar were broken how did the camera not try to slam on the brakes when even the slow meaty human in the car had enough time to react to her coming into view i'm gonna go ahead and take a wild guess that it recognized an object there using one of the sensor methods but misidentified it in some way and then set some "nah ignore that it's fine" flag that effectively masked all the other sensors e: not that uber would ever admit that it detected a woman and then decided it was okay to proceed rather than "it just didn't see her at all, she just leapt out of the darkness and spooked the car!!!"
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Bhodi posted:and it'd still probably kill less people than humans do self driving cars have demonstrated themselves to be significantly more dangerous than human drivers already
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quote:i'm gonna go ahead and take a wild guess that it recognized an object there using one of the sensor methods but misidentified it in some way and then set some "nah ignore that it's fine" flag that effectively masked all the other sensors solid theory i expect that stack ranking and all other sorts of sociopathic valuation garbage has wormed its way into the code driving this poo poo
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my mom and sisters got into a serious car accident because they were stopped at a stoplight and the person behind them wasn't paying attention and hit them going 50, never even put on the brakes. what i'm saying is cars are a bad idea regardless because they are big murder machines that go very fast. e: i ubered to work this morning because it was raining.
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Mar 22, 2018 01:29
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Bhodi posted:kinda a shame you had to brush death to slow down, we should hire stunt men to dive in front of student drivers and get that poo poo in early because every single person needs to touch the hot stove, humanity is awful that way 
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Mar 22, 2018 01:29
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crabrock posted:my mom and sisters got into a serious car accident because they were stopped at a stoplight and the person behind them wasn't paying attention and hit them going 50, never even put on the brakes. my car was rearended with a 40mph differential in rush hour traffic and I still have PTSD from it and basically freak out any time a car comes up behind me a little too quickly
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Mar 22, 2018 01:36
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probably the scariest moment of my life, my glasses flew off so i was instantly basically blind, its 7:45 am, a drunk person just immobilized my BMW which is now totaled and i have to get out of the danger area but i can't see. do i keep looking for my glasses or bail into the median
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Mar 22, 2018 01:37
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gently caress. did you see the car coming in your mirror before it smacked you?
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Mar 22, 2018 01:38
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that wreck was metal af though, a state trooper rolled up with "yo we gotta get your car out of the fast lane" "she's dead boss. Push it?"" "stand back" and then i got to see a loving highway patrol car rev up and bash his push bar into my GERMAN DRIVING MACHINE and then bulldozer it off of the road, cop car tires squealing the whole time
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Mar 22, 2018 01:38
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yeah it was very much a "he's pushing the phase" thing. like he was braking and accelerating late, i didn't ahve a good vibe about it at all, and then traffic Went and Stopped and i just knew he was gonna assjam me
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Mar 22, 2018 01:39
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funniest cop quote of the incident: "You say you lost your medication? We can take you to then hospital and then to jail, or we can take you to jail" he chose hospital-then-jail
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Mar 22, 2018 01:39
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so who from Uber goes to jail over this? I got t-boned by a drunk driver who ran a red light into my driver side door and I at least got the satisfaction of seeing the poo poo head who did it go to prison
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Mar 22, 2018 01:41
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Jabor posted:The camera is being washed out by the streetlights shining directly at it. A human driver (who knows that the road is what it needs to pay attention to, not the streetlights themselves) can see a lot more of the road than you can see in the video. An attentive human driver would absolutely have seen the lady in time to avoid the collision. not to mention that even if the car could only see what its headlights were illuminating, traveling so fast that it only has 1 second to react to and dodge obstacles coming into view is clearly and obscenely dangerous. just because the speedlimit is 35 doesn't mean you get to go 35 in all conditions, especially low visibility ones. most loving humans would've rectified this problem by turning on their brights, but oops, guess the autonomous vehicle wasn't trained to do that.
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Mar 22, 2018 01:41
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Ludwig van Halen posted:so who from Uber goes to jail over this? the independent contractor dozing off
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Mar 22, 2018 01:42
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Ludwig van Halen posted:so who from Uber goes to jail over this?
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Bhodi posted:maybe we should mandate spinning blades on the front of all autos to at least make it a clean kill
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Mar 22, 2018 01:48
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helen walton literally just loving drove over an employee at a frozen food factory and they said "woops unavoidable. youre good" and she went on to get 3 more DUI's
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Mar 22, 2018 01:49
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Bhodi posted:what on earth gave you any idea there would be even a hint of civil consequences, much less criminal ones i mean after all if the car weren't driving itself it probably would have hit three people instead of just one, because they're inherently safer and save lives 
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Mar 22, 2018 01:50
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Bhodi posted:what on earth gave you any idea there would be even a hint of civil consequences, much less criminal ones it might not make it to civil litigation, but i bet there’ll be a big rear end payment made.
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That video confirms that the woman had crossed a full lane of traffic, had passed in front of the car, and was on the far side at the moment of impact So what this establishes is that Uber's self-driving car somehow cannot see a human-sized target next to a 30 lb steel tube structure of approximately equal size when the target is one lane off to the side and a few dozen feet ahead. Let's ignore for now that the car didn't brake at all. Do you think a human being could see an obstruction the size of a person with a bicycle standing in the lane next to the one they were driving in, approximately 50 feet ahead of them, at night?
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Suspicious Dish posted:video of the car crash is out and nope the car didn't try to brake at all despite a human in plain sight it's kinda impressive how hard the Tempe police are working to try to make this look good for uber delayed the video a day or two to let the big headlines dissipate, then released a video where the "interior view" showing the driver dozing is three times as long as the "exterior view" showing the car straight-up plowing down a pedestrian in the middle of the street
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Mar 22, 2018 01:52
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Jonny 290 posted:helen walton literally just loving drove over an employee at a frozen food factory and they said "woops unavoidable. youre good" and she went on to get 3 more DUI's i will never get why someone with more money than god drives themselves places she could take a fuckin helicopter everywhere all the time for her entire life and not even notice the money is gone
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Mar 22, 2018 01:54
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ate all the Oreos posted:i will never get why someone with more money than god drives themselves places you can't just land helicopters anywhere, you'll hit power lines and poo poo
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Mar 22, 2018 01:57
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Bhodi posted:what on earth gave you any idea there would be even a hint of civil consequences, much less criminal ones naive I know but you would think any politician associated with the permits for this would have at least considered the question of criminal liability
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Mar 22, 2018 01:59
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ate all the Oreos posted:i will never get why someone with more money than god drives themselves places she got a DUI in texas 5 years ago (where she lives, because gently caress Arkansas Despite All That Walmart Propaganda) and the local PD 'made a decision to let the 3 year statute of limitations run out' like that was reported in the paper lol rich people dont have to deal with Laws
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Mar 22, 2018 02:00
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and of course theres a whole shitload of DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM in the police transcript and court records lmao turn em into horse food or w/e
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Jonny 290 posted:she got a DUI in texas 5 years ago (where she lives, because gently caress Arkansas Despite All That Walmart Propaganda) and the local PD 'made a decision to let the 3 year statute of limitations run out' like that was reported in the paper i guess the trick is to not do this in LA because they do throw celebrities in jail for pulling that poo poo
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Jonny 290 posted:probably the scariest moment of my life, my glasses flew off so i was instantly basically blind, its 7:45 am, a drunk person just immobilized my BMW which is now totaled and i have to get out of the danger area but i can't see. do i keep looking for my glasses or bail into the median Yeah same but it was an f450 utility truck. My front end looked even worse than the back since I was plowed forward in to 5 more cars.
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President Beep posted:it might not make it to civil litigation, but i bet there’ll be a big rear end payment made. plus, since when has uber paid for anything it doesn't absolutely legally have to, when has it ever obeyed a law it can straight up ignore, and when has it ever opened a checkbook without a long protracted court case forcing it e: The Chief of Police posted:“it appears that the Uber would likely not be at fault,”, “It’s very clear it would have been difficult to avoid this collision in any kind of mode” — self-driving or human-driven — “based on how she came from the shadows right into the roadway,” Moir told the Chronicle. Bhodi fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Mar 22, 2018 |
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Yeah same but it was an f450 utility truck. My front end looked even worse than the back since I was plowed forward in to 5 more cars. i got crammed into the lady in front of me and they tried to give me poo poo about "you didnt leave enough follow distance" and i came back with "you just said audibly that the guy behind me was drunk. should i get my lawyer" and they zipped up immediately
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eh, you very well might be right. i absolutely don’t expect any criminal charges, but given the unique nature of the incident—a lot of folks are already on edge about autonomous vehicles, and it’s clear that this isn’t a case of human negligence that’ll easily allow them to pass the blame—i bet they end up shelling out a lot of money to try and mitigate a pr/political disaster.
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this is just michaels solution to the trolley problem.
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President Beep posted:eh, you very well might be right. i absolutely don’t expect any criminal charges, but given the unique nature of the incident—a lot of folks are already on edge about autonomous vehicles, and it’s clear that this isn’t a case of human negligence that’ll easily allow them to pass the blame—i bet they end up shelling out a lot of money to try and mitigate a pr/political disaster. nobody in power is on the edge about AVs though a bunch of powerless people like you and me are hollering. Nobody on a board of directors or a regulatory board gives a gently caress. theyre some idiot 58 year old guy on a statin diet still thinking about that einstein bagel's waitress from 3 days ago. we are being run by lizard brains
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i have litearlly zero hope for the future of america and i know that some of you have had kids so this is super scary, but we all need 2 b wiped
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Jonny 290 posted:nobody in power is on the edge about AVs though yeah. when i say that bhodi might be right i don’t mean that rhetorically. i just have a hunch that this is going to cost them something. 
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President Beep posted:yeah. when i say that bhodi might be right i don’t mean that rhetorically. i just have a hunch that this is going to cost them something. SKULL.GIF posted:okay 7 PM EST seems like a safe time to drop this
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that doesn't seem to include kush passing presidential daily briefings to the crown prince of KSA. that information was used a week later to start his purges edit: 6th from the end....
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i definitely get your point, bhodi, and it’s a valid one. on a related note, my boss came into my office yesterday to ask me if i’d gotten the brochure that came in the mail about some conference over on the east side of the state about planning “smart cities” for poo poo like autonomous vehicles. she was all jazzed about it because she thought it sounded cool. i felt kind of bad when i told her that i’d already pitched mine into the recycling bin.
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