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https://twitter.com/dlffldk/status/975939034265473024
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I thought I was watching some found-footage reboot of The Ring, and then I realized what the dark figure actually was 
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Did you ever ask that uncle if he considered just having the useless finger removed?
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Also, Gurney and Yates did it in 35h 54m, the current unofficial record holder is Alex Roy at 31h 04m -- in a BMW with all manner of modifications, including a suite of radar detectors/jammers, military-surplus gyrostabilized binoculars for the codriver to watch for cops, and IIRC (or if not, he should have had), additional fuel cell in the trunk with a second filler neck so they could fill from both sides at the same time. I think when I and my partner drove from Dallas to Albany we took about that long each way. To be fair, we were in an XJ Cherokee mostly doing 75mph and there was an unseasonable blizzard when we went through Buffalo. Also, on the way back, we stopped on the outskirts of Memphis for me to take over driving, and I do not remember Arkansas. I remember getting in the driver's seat, washing down two No-Doz with a Grape NOS, and stumbling into bed. In my defense, Arkansas is kinda boring and all their state highway are still 55mph. But still, that last leg was about 450 miles/6 hours, and I don't remember it. Edit: Wanna fly out to LA and get a '96 Buick Roadmaster wagon cheap, add whaleskin hubcaps and a fuel cell in the back that could serve as a swimming pool for children, and try to beat Alex Roy. Because the stops for refueling seem to be the part that slows you down, if you do 85 all the way without having to stop for gas as much, it's as good as doing 175 and stopping for gas every two hours.. So get a gas tank to fill the cargo space of a station wagon. It gets maybe 15mpg flat out, and still has a queen-size bed for the codriver. Chillbro Baggins fucked around with this message at 08:58 on Mar 22, 2018 |
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Mar 22, 2018 08:38
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Bad Angus! Bad!
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Sagebrush posted:I also know that if I stick my finger in the hole and I can just touch the surface of the liquid, I have about 12 gallons in that tank. Not sure what the FAA's opinion is of that method. Probably drain and steam clean tank due to possible fuel contamination (subtype: human debris). Here's another not-robot-car OSHA thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEg89lfj_Vg
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Mar 22, 2018 08:41
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IPCRESS posted:Here's another not-robot-car OSHA thing: He did it, the madman actually did it
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I had no idea what the video was about until the second demo. Wowzers
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starkebn posted:He did it, the madman actually did it Holy poo poo that's a proclick!
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Mar 22, 2018 09:44
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IPCRESS posted:Probably drain and steam clean tank due to possible fuel contamination (subtype: human debris). quote:Práce s motorovou pilou vyžaduje dodržování bezpečnostních pravidel. Pevná obuv, pracovní rukavice i ochranné brýle by měly být samozřejmostí. Protipořezové kalhoty vás ochrání před vážným poraněním a mohou vám i zachránit život. quote:Working with the chainsaw requires adherence to safety rules. Sturdy footwear, working gloves and safety glasses should be a matter of course. Counterfeit trousers protect you from serious injuries and can save your life. 
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Mar 22, 2018 09:50
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 At first I thought it was someone playing a prank by dressing up as Death.
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Mar 22, 2018 10:14
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Wait that's not a dude dressed like a bear?
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Mar 22, 2018 10:18
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Collateral Damage posted:
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Mar 22, 2018 10:21
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It just wanted a hug.
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Mar 22, 2018 10:24
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It just wanted to ask what aisle they have the salmon in.
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Mar 22, 2018 10:43
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Cable Guy posted:Czech google-translation from the YouTube page... Mustached Demon posted:Wait that's not a dude dressed like a bear?
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mobby_6kl posted:Yeah it means "cutting resistant" basically which is what they seem to be. I got 'anticarvingoff pants' from a colleague. Does what it says on the tin!
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boner confessor posted:probably the lidar did detect her but she wasn't flagged as a pedestrian or an obstacle by the collision avoidance system Sagebrush posted:In the 2-3 seconds before collision she was less than 20 degrees off-axis and within perhaps 200 feet. I cannot emphasize enough how incredibly negligent it is to build a system that cannot or does not recognize a human figure in that position and orientation 100% of the time regardless of lighting or weather. evil_bunnY fucked around with this message at 11:32 on Mar 22, 2018 |
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Mar 22, 2018 11:26
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I'm a proponent of autonomous cars, but this is definitely a flaw in the system that Uber uses, no way around it. You can't blame the victim, and while you can put some blame on the driver for not paying attention, it was not a situation where manual intervention was required if the system had worked as intended. It was clearly a sensor failure where the system either didn't detect the woman at all, or didn't recognize her as an obstacle. It doesn't mean that we should stop developing autonomous cars. Quite the opposite, it shows that there is still work to do to improve the systems. Collateral Damage fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Mar 22, 2018 |
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Speaking of Czech OSHA stuff, there was just a huge explosion at a chemical plant, 6 dead and at least 2 injured so far. It's the worst industrial accident in 50 years: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43497063 local news: https://praha.idnes.cz/vrtulnik-che...raha-zpravy_nuc
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evil_bunnY posted:basically, this. everyone except boner recognizes this is 100% on uber, both for designing a system that failed to detect an obstacle, and for keeping an inattentive human watcher on the payroll. To be somewhat fair to the driver, a system that works 99.9% of the time makes it really loving easy to miss when it fails. It's just hard to maintain vigilance when it passes every test (until it suddenly doesn't).
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That Uber video, I assume that is an open and shut case of whatever the equivalent there is to causing death by dangerous driving? The person 'in charge' of the vehicle is quite clearly looking at their mobile phone when they fatally collide with a pedestrian. That's got to be prison time.
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boner confessor posted:the question is if uber is particularly negligent or if the entire concept of lidar-guided self driving cars is negligent and uber happened to be the first to reach that milestone the answer is "both" the self-driving cars currently on the road are incredibly unsafe as the technology is just not up to the challenge but Uber engineers, who applied "move fast and break things" to autonomous vehicles, shipped a particularly bad and flawed system even relative to other self-driving death machines
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I'm glad it wasn't me because I know I couldn't sit there maintaining catlike readiness to pounce back on the wheel for hours and hours while the car drove itself. I hope once AI cars are introduced as a consumer product that that isn't a legal requirement because if you can't jack it while the car drives itself home what's the point? In fact having to sit there and pay attention as if you were driving while you don't drive would actually be worse than just driving, like watching someone else play the most boring video game in the world. As I understand it, one of the main benefits of AI drivers would be to have cars moving at speed impossibly close to each other. I would think even watching that would be unbearably stressful. Like I wouldn't even want a window if my car is doing 80 mph three inches from another car's bumper. Nerses IV posted:I'm sick and tired of seeing people poo poo on Desert Bus like this Exactly the game I was thinking about! Imagined fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Mar 22, 2018 |
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Imagined posted:I'm glad it wasn't me because I know I couldn't sit there maintaining catlike readiness to pounce back on the wheel for hours and hours while the car drove itself. I'm sick and tired of seeing people poo poo on Desert Bus like this
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The engineers & managers that designed/procured/assembled should have to personally test their products' collision detection system prior to release to the public.* That way it'll make sure they do their job properly without skipping steps. "Okay Jerry, you're sure that this is ready for release?" "Yep." "Alright stand in front of it while we ramp it up to 100 mph" "Okay... ... Wait. Hang on a second..." *In various situations that aren't just in some warehouse fully lit.
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They can also turn your index finger into a thumb via procedure called pollicization.
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IPCRESS posted:Here's another not-robot-car OSHA thing: 
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Chainsaw chaps are standard safety gear. The work very well.
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IPCRESS posted:Probably drain and steam clean tank due to possible fuel contamination (subtype: human debris). Ah so that's what Sammy Hagar is doing nowadays.
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Imagined posted:As I understand it, one of the main benefits of AI drivers would be to have cars moving at speed impossibly close to each other. I would think even watching that would be unbearably stressful. Like I wouldn't even want a window if my car is doing 80 mph three inches from another car's bumper. Yeah, but thats pretty much the endgame, when most, if not all of the cars on the road are autonomous and networked.
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Cable Guy posted:Czech google-translation from the YouTube page... Proti = anti pořezové = cut
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evil_bunnY posted:LMAO the lidar interpreter doesn't need to determine how fast the bike's moving for the car motion controller to determine it's going to loving hit it. yeah it does. the lidar is constantly scanning the environment, looking for things that matter (cars, people) and things that dont (trash cans, buildings) and it most like incorrectly sorted a person as not-a-person Imagined posted:I hope once AI cars are introduced as a consumer product that that isn't a legal requirement because if you can't jack it while the car drives itself home what's the point? In fact having to sit there and pay attention as if you were driving while you don't drive would actually be worse than just driving, like watching someone else play the most boring video game in the world. this is definitely going to be the case for a good 10 years at least while the technology is sort of but not quite good enough, and more people will die because of it
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lmao, are you suggesting that it classified a "trash can" that it was literally going to drive straight through as something it didn't need to care about
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Jabor posted:lmao, are you suggesting that it classified a "trash can" that it was literally going to drive straight through as something it didn't need to care about i'm saying it failed to identify the person as a person, which seems fairly obvious? idk people lose their heads talking about this stuff
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boner confessor posted:i'm saying it failed to identify the person as a person, which seems fairly obvious? idk people lose their heads talking about this stuff does it, in your opinion, matter whether the car thinks an obstacle that it's going to drive straight into is a person or not? when faced with an unknown object as tall as the car and as wide as a telephone pole, should the computer need to make a judgment as to whether the object is a person or not in order to decide whether to drive straight into it?
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boner confessor posted:i'm saying it failed to identify the person as a person, which seems fairly obvious? idk people lose their heads talking about this stuff The car does not know or care if an object in its path is animate or not. It doesn't care what it is, even. It just needs to know a thing is in its path and it must stop or swerve to avoid it. The specific identity of the object is utterly irrelevant, until you get to situations like "what's the least bad thing to hit?"
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Jabor posted:does it, in your opinion, matter whether the car thinks an obstacle that it's going to drive straight into is a person or not? when faced with an unknown object as tall as the car and as wide as a telephone pole, should the computer need to make a judgment as to whether the object is a person or not in order to decide whether to drive straight into it? it seems obvious to me that the car in fact didn't flag an obstacle, which is why it kept driving. not this weird scenario you're describing where it saw an unknown obstacle but didn't classify it as the right kind of obstacle. just think about what you're trying to say i guess  Deteriorata posted:The car does not know or car if an object in its path is animate or not. It doesn't care what it is, even. It just needs to know a thing is in its path and it must stop or swerve to avoid it. yeah, and it failed to identify an object in its path. we're agreeing here, i dont know why people keep agreeing with me and then trying to "gotcha!" me. i even had a guy upthread repeat exactly what i was saying and then claim i had no idea what i was talking about
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