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Tide posted:Everybody is outraged about everything. Everybody is just waiting to get outraged about something. The Ricky Gervais netflix special nails this pretty good and is loving hilarious to boot. Social media made the world bad. Adiabatic posted:Anyone going to Electric Forest? The Mrs and the Mistress and I rented an RV. If anyone's going weekend 1 come find us. I will not! But we're always in the area during that time near Silver Lake. It's always fun driving home and seeing the total loving wasteland from 31 after the event. Especially the year when it got really windy and there were a ton of mangled pop up tents. Edit: toll. 
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Adiabatic posted:Anyone going to Electric Forest? The Mrs and the Mistress and I rented an RV. If anyone's going weekend 1 come find us. DJ Commie posted:My dog will not go outside to go pee since its raining, what good are lion hunting dogs that won't walk on wet loving ground? She's somehow more of a Californian than I am. Ack! RAIN!!! Nooooooooooooo Liquid Communism posted:Same. Social media is a cancer. Yu-Gi-Ho! posted:So on to misc poo poo. I need a toolbox. Something better than the slightly smaller than a shoebox plastic piece of poo poo from Harbor Freight I currently have. Tire chat: Before all the :wank: there was some tire talk. I'm tire shopping for F100 to fit 15x7 wheels. Primarily looking at 225/75r15 or possibly 215 width. Thing isn't going to see long interstate trips or anything, just for running to shop/dump/etc.
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You guys - my coworker named his daughter Prius. I mean if you're going AI with your kids, at least do something cool.
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One of the cool + good things about AI is that it's not like the normal automotive forums filled with lonely old men spouting equal parts good info and awful opinions. When I first came here, I had a few lovely opinions, shared them, and was probed for them by IOC and because of that I decided to do some research and think about things from the perspective of other people. I also grew up a lot and went from being this dumb middle class kid with relatively wealthy parents to being a young married kid who suddenly didnt have any sort of disposable income and lived off of rice and lentils and curries for 2 years before me and the missus graduated and got full time jobs, and it made me think about the fact that I was incredibly fortunate and privileged that I wasn't stuck in that position for the rest of my life because I had the opportunity to go to uni and get a degree in a field that is in high demand and that there were people all over america who needed help with their day to day just to survive. I also learned a bunch of other things that I should have known as part of being a decent person, but unfortunately I didnt think of because i was in a position of privilege and refused to recognize it because i was a big dumbass. The start of me being "woke" is directly related to me posting itt, calling things that i thought were stupid "gay" and talking about what some minority did with their money, and getting called out and probed over it and realizing that i was a lovely human being who needed to change and grow the gently caress up. So while i'm not happy at all that the people calling out racism yesterday were probed because we were "making GBS threads on a political opinion", as if the way someone treats and talks about another group of people is now a political issue, while the person who said racist things got off free, I am happy that I have a probe for saying something racist in 2012 and a probe for yelling at a mod for not handling racism in 2018. at least i have proof that I've grown up at least a little, even if some of you would argue i'm just some dumbfuck SJW REEE'ing in the chat thread and it's not much better. i like most of you guys and I only still post itt sometimes because you guys are cool, unlike most of the gearheads that I have been exposed to, and I consider many of you my friends. i'm not going to stick around if lovely people with lovely opinions are allowed to dogwhistle here just because they didnt explicitly say "ya i'm from california and i was surrounded but a bunch of sp**s! i was the minority!!" love you guys in the words of applebees appetizer so many years ago, 
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Goober Peas posted:You guys - my coworker named his daughter Prius. I mean if you're going AI with your kids, at least do something cool. You know how you have stripper names nowadays like Lexus, Mercedes... Well, Prius is not going to be an attractive stripper.
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Oh please TT you got dinged 6 hours for continuing on about some stupid poo poo. Calm down and quit writing your manifesto. I've got a bunch of poo poo to do today and I am not babysitting you idiots having a meltdown so if anyone has any issues with the previous 10 pages please continue on about it below this post so I can probate you for a couple of days. This includes feel-good posts about it and posts currently being written.
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I have issues with anyone not agreeing that Kirsten Bell is as omni-soothing as any doggo for our collective conscience. It's okay, Adiabatic, AI has its cycles and this will pass, too. Have a good day, get your poo poo done and be happy.
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Seminal Flu posted:This thread is so binary and judgemental, both in politics and current events. The only issue with the Uber footage is that the camera has balanced itself on the brightest part of the areas lit up with headlights. Your eyes are better than a dashcam when it comes to dealing with a wide range in brightness. A person whose literal job is safety driver should have easily seen at least *something* in the road. Not necessarily enough to identify it as "pedestrian with bike" but enough to start slowing down. Case in point - this guy was wearing dark clothes, no reflectors, but I could still see something in the road before the dashcam picks it up, giving me one less fatality than Uber. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n9tDlnke2s IOwnCalculus fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Mar 22, 2018 |
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" is ignoring a lot of the circumstances -- where was the pedestrian right before the accident? If they had been laying on the ground, there could have been a minimal pattern due to the dark clothing being the same temperature as the surrounding area... and a "regular" driver drat sure isn't driving with IR optics, aggressively scouring every inch of the road for possible vagrants crossing the road at every instant...
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Adiabatic posted:Oh please TT you got dinged 6 hours for continuing on about some stupid poo poo. Calm down and quit writing your manifesto. too bad IoC stepped down as moderator, this is what we get (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:One of the cool + good things about AI is that it's not like the normal automotive forums filled with lonely old men spouting equal parts good info and awful opinions. When I first came here, I had a few lovely opinions, shared them, and was probed for them by IOC and because of that I decided to do some research and think about things from the perspective of other people. I also grew up a lot and went from being this dumb middle class kid with relatively wealthy parents to being a young married kid who suddenly didnt have any sort of disposable income and lived off of rice and lentils and curries for 2 years before me and the missus graduated and got full time jobs, and it made me think about the fact that I was incredibly fortunate and privileged that I wasn't stuck in that position for the rest of my life because I had the opportunity to go to uni and get a degree in a field that is in high demand and that there were people all over america who needed help with their day to day just to survive. I also learned a bunch of other things that I should have known as part of being a decent person, but unfortunately I didnt think of because i was in a position of privilege and refused to recognize it because i was a big dumbass. The start of me being "woke" is directly related to me posting itt, calling things that i thought were stupid "gay" and talking about what some minority did with their money, and getting called out and probed over it and realizing that i was a lovely human being who needed to change and grow the gently caress up. Holy poo poo. Shut up. If someone posts something you don't like, ignore it. Or them. Generally, as a rule, you're not going to change their mind, they aren't going to change yours. It doesn't matter if it's 'dog whistle racism' or whether or not they like their steak well done with ketchup (to be fair, that would be considered fighting words). Because someone disagrees with you politically doesn't make them the devil incarnate. It may make them misinformed or ignorant about issues, or being stuck in an echo chamber, but it doesn't necessarily make them evil. Chances are, jumping in and dog piling on someone has the direct opposite of what you intend because you're not arguing with fact, you're arguing with emotion and will push them even further into their own little rabbit hole. Y'all quit trying to get the last word in and let it loving die. This isn't me backseat mod'ing, this is just me saying this thread and subforum is best when people on both sides of the fence leave their opinions in GBS or D&D and out of what used to be one of the last bullshit free subforums on these dead, allegedly comedy forums as whole. cakesmith handyman posted:Kirsten Bell chat is good but I've been watching Wynonna Earp on Netflix and Dominique Provost-Chalkley is just dreamy Yowza.
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BraveUlysses posted:too bad IoC stepped down as moderator, this is what we get https://i.imgur.com/lTF42Cg.mp4 (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Bajaha posted:You know how you have stripper names nowadays like Lexus, Mercedes... No, but she'll be efficient.
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After 6-8 months of gradual shifting of my diet to more, I guess, paleo-ish, it's amazing how much better I feel. The side effect of losing weight is nice, don't get me wrong - but it's unreal how much better I feel overall. And I'm pretty sure it's cheaper overall. Lots of fruits, lots of vegetables, a lot more fiber, few lean meats. Cut pasta, processed sugars, basically anything white. Sleeping better. And I swear my kids grades went up lol. He's less antsy, but that could just be a side effect of him maturing. I'm convinced HFCS, which is in drat near everything, is the devil. I had to get the oil changed on my company car and was lured by the sweet smell of the next door Burger King. Couldn't eat but about half of it, and holy crap (which came later), did it make me feel bad the rest of the day.
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:No, but she'll be efficient. Presumably low emissions as well
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IOwnCalculus posted:The only issue with the Uber footage is that the camera has balanced itself on the brightest part of the areas lit up with headlights. Your eyes are better than a dashcam when it comes to dealing with a wide range in brightness. It's easy to armchair QB this stuff, but there's got to be some realization that every situation is different, and we are not always as "ON" as we may like to think. Two years ago I hit a deer. It didn't materialize out of nowhere, it came from the woods on the left side of the road, along with up to half a dozen if its buddies. The first one fully cleared the car, I got the second one dead-nuts on. I was driving my family, I was not being inattentive, but it was dark and I somehow missed this group of animals running across my path. If I had a dash cam, you'd probably be able to see them before I hit the brakes in real life. However, I didn't see them until it was too late. What I'm saying is that there are always going to be circumstances that you can explain away later, but we are fallible, and there are always going to be accidents... robot drivers or human drivers.
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Yeah on one hand if we are going to accept robotic cars, we have to understand that they will kill some people some times. Safer? Maybe. Completely harmless? Not a chance. The question is who is responsible when harm is done. In this case a prototype owned by Uber is completely their responsibility imo. Also Uber is a garbage company that deserves every bad result of its actions.
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Goober Peas posted:Presumably low emissions as well Should be good for profits. Continuing non-politics chat, I've been making pies lately and it's awesome. 
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Tide posted:After 6-8 months of gradual shifting of my diet to more, I guess, paleo-ish, it's amazing how much better I feel. The side effect of losing weight is nice, don't get me wrong - but it's unreal how much better I feel overall. And I'm pretty sure it's cheaper overall. Lots of fruits, lots of vegetables, a lot more fiber, few lean meats. Cut pasta, processed sugars, basically anything white. Sleeping better. And I swear my kids grades went up lol. He's less antsy, but that could just be a side effect of him maturing. I'm convinced HFCS, which is in drat near everything, is the devil. Cut way back on the fruit and it'll get even better. Paleo/keto/new buzzword for the same low carb diet is indeed awesome. I just enjoy beer too goddamn much. If I eat decently (150ish carbs) and don't drink, weight sheds off. If I eat the same but drink, I just stay the same weight. Somehow my cholesterol and literally everything else is still perfect. Meanwhile my teetotalling in-laws who keep telling me that drinking and eating so much meat will kill me can't stay out if the hospital with kidney stones and heart issues 
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epic bird guy posted:Yeah on one hand if we are going to accept robotic cars, we have to understand that they will kill some people some times. Safer? Maybe. Completely harmless? Not a chance. The question is who is responsible when harm is done. In this case a prototype owned by Uber is completely their responsibility imo. I think people are conflating their hatred of Uber with the situation. I agree, Uber is fully responsible. So what? If it was a human driving, they would not even be cited for killing a pedestrian like that. The person shouldn't have been in the middle of the road, at night, wearing dark clothes. The driver would probably be grief-struck, but there wouldn't be a legal or monetary penalty.
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Seminal Flu posted:It's easy to armchair QB this stuff, but there's got to be some realization that every situation is different, and we are not always as "ON" as we may like to think. Two years ago I hit a deer. It didn't materialize out of nowhere, it came from the woods on the left side of the road, along with up to half a dozen if its buddies. The first one fully cleared the car, I got the second one dead-nuts on. I was driving my family, I was not being inattentive, but it was dark and I somehow missed this group of animals running across my path. If I had a dash cam, you'd probably be able to see them before I hit the brakes in real life. However, I didn't see them until it was too late. I get it, and I'm not arguing from the position that these cars need to be flawless before they start truly taking over. Once they're better than the worst human drivers, we all start benefiting from automated cars. But in this specific case, we've got video showing that this was both a best possible case to avoid what happened - straight road, pedestrian was about to leave the street instead of just entering it - and an abject failure of Uber's systems to detect the pedestrian, along with a driver who was literally looking down for five whole seconds. I agree that if this had been a regular car, with no in-car footage, there would probably be no case. Here, that in-car footage is probably going to gently caress that driver.
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Seminal Flu posted:It's easy to armchair QB this stuff, but there's got to be some realization that every situation is different, and we are not always as "ON" as we may like to think. Two years ago I hit a deer. It didn't materialize out of nowhere, it came from the woods on the left side of the road, along with up to half a dozen if its buddies. The first one fully cleared the car, I got the second one dead-nuts on. I was driving my family, I was not being inattentive, but it was dark and I somehow missed this group of animals running across my path. If I had a dash cam, you'd probably be able to see them before I hit the brakes in real life. However, I didn't see them until it was too late. I think 100 percent of what you said is applicable, and getting lost in the conversation. Even if it is 100 percent a technical failure on the car, the person crossing the street still has an obligation to ensure their own safety crossing a street; crosswalk or not. After watching the video, the woman that was hit was walking her bike across a highway at night wearing a black jacket and blue jeans, no reflectors on the bike and just on the outside coverage the street light (thou this could be a camera issue, admittedly). Should the uber driver been looking at their phone while in an autonomous car? No. Would it have mattered? Maybe. Is there blame to go around. Yup. Even if the driver was paying 100 percent attention, they won't be looking straight ahead at all times. We take our eyes off the road directly in front of us for a second or two all the time simply being safe and scanning the area around us. at 55 mph, you're covering 80 feet per second. Trying to put myself in the drivers seat while watching the video, I caught myself looking to the left of the intersection as I came up on it to look for 'trouble'. Even just for one second, by the time my eyes got back to center, I was theoretically hitting the woman. No idea how fast the uber car as going, however. iwentdoodie posted:Cut way back on the fruit and it'll get even better. I thought about it, but the fruit satisfies the sweet tooth. All things in moderation thou. The paleo foods are foods I like to eat anyway. I love my fruits and veggies. Especially raw. But I guess I'd gotten lazy, despite its easier to simply break open some raw fruit from its containers, wash it, then eat it. I do miss 'heavier' beers though. Tide fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Mar 22, 2018 |
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If I was a "driver" for this program right now I'd leave asap, they'll try to throw her to the wolves and they haven't a great history of treating their employees/independent contractors well.
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Tide posted:across a highway That's a surface street with a speed limit between 35 and 45. It looks a bit like a divided highway, but it's just Mill Avenue northbound somewhere north of the bridges and south of Washington / Curry.
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cakesmith handyman posted:Well I hope that shuts up everyone who was talking about suicidal pedestrians throwing themselves at great speed into traffic it won't The failure analysis will be telling, if it's ever released.
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cakesmith handyman posted:If I was a "driver" for this program right now I'd leave asap, they'll try to throw her to the wolves and they haven't a great history of treating their employees/independent contractors well. Yeah Uber drivers should understand that they're financing their own obsolescence and since they're contractors they have no rights when the company cuts the cord on them. Granted I think the company will finish its descent down the drain long before they can implement robo-taxis.
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IOwnCalculus posted:That's a surface street with a speed limit between 35 and 45. It looks a bit like a divided highway, but it's just Mill Avenue northbound somewhere north of the bridges and south of Washington / Curry. Gotcha. Looked like a highway to me. I don't mean to infer that it was intentional by the biker (suicide?), because even if it was, and as much as it's the womans obligation to ensure her own safety while crossing the street, it's the drivers responsibility to ensure their and others safety as well and not looking at their drat phone for 4 seconds (264 feet at an assumed 45 mph) and 6 seconds (396 feet at an assumed 45 mph) at a time. From the time that the driver first looked down, glanced up, then looked back down at her phone, the car had traveled nearly 800 feet. I'm a big subscriber to chaos theory. All the things that had to happen to make that moment possible just reinforces that when it's your time to go, there's not much you can do about it. ilkhan posted:Nope. That was 90% Ubers fault. The lidar should have sensed here presence and stopped the vehicle. That's what the sensors are there for. 10% her's because she was still jaywalking. I would expect that the NHTSA is going to get involved, so this will be public record.
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ilkhan posted:Nope. That was 90% Ubers fault. I didn't say she was at fault, just that she'll get poo poo on for it.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:If getting probated is happening for calling out a bunch of dumb moron poo poo then hit me up with one too. Cheers. That's an odd hill to die on. 
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cakesmith handyman posted:I didn't say she was at fault, just that she'll get poo poo on for it. The driver is a convicted felon. She is going to get absolutely steamrolled. Please note I'm not in favor of making it harder for felons to get jobs.
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Seminal Flu posted:I think people are conflating their hatred of Uber with the situation. With that driver facing camera you're getting some percentage of fault.
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Tide posted:Gotcha. Looked like a highway to me. And yeah, it'll probably be public record due to NHTSA. The point above about this being completely unremarkable if it was a human driver is also a good one. Dark street, jaywalking pedestrian in dark clothes, etc. I completely discount the human side of it because if that. The lidar not picking up the pedestrian is abnormal, preventable, and learnable. ilkhan fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Mar 22, 2018 |
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The Locator posted:The uber car was going 38 in a 35 zone. Yup. I actually ended up taking that same stretch of road just now on the way to work. It's a 35 zone on Mill all the way from Rio Salado to Curry.
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nm posted:With that driver facing camera you're getting some percentage of fault. Fair enough. She'll get crucified for looking at her phone, but she was in an autonomous vehicle... That'll still be enough to make Uber write a big fat check, though.
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Maker Of Shoes posted:The driver is a convicted felon. She is going to get absolutely steamrolled. I thought it was a fat dude with a soul patch. Prior record or not, she's going to get steamrolled regardless. The in camera footage shows clear negligence regardless of the intentions of the woman crossing the street. Involuntary manslaughter?
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