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Safety Factor posted:7th edition 40k sucked. It was awful. Formations completely ruined the game and list building was a horrible mess. You'd have armies made up of multiple formations with a ton of unique rules with no way to tell which tactical squad was part of which formation, etc. Safety Factor posted:7th edition 40k sucked. It was awful. Formations completely ruined the game and list building was a horrible mess. You'd have armies made up of multiple formations with a ton of unique rules with no way to tell which tactical squad was part of which formation, etc. 
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Armies are all locked to the same FOC and while there are ways to alter it, they tend to be fairly limited. Marines have Rites of War which are kind of pseudo-formations, but, again, are locked to the FOC and are basically ways to get additional army-wide rules or additional options in exchange for more limitations, some which can be quite heavy. Leadership is a huge deal in 30k and melee can be very important; sweeping is an excellent way to wipe out squads. Fearless and Stubborn are very rare with chaplains being the only widespread source. And They Shall Know No Fear does not exist here.
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Broken Record Talk posted:God, Inferno was a hot mess, with bonus tourists! Does anyone happen to have links to stuff detailing how much of a mess Inferno was? I never bothered looking up the entire thing but the tourist picture was always hilarious.
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Mar 22, 2018 20:07
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TTerrible posted:Universal rules are dumb as gently caress, it’s better to have the same rule with 18 names. This angers me, uncontrollably I rage every time I have to explain that they should own the codex of the army they’re fighting to understand the nuances of my renamed rule versus theirs. How dare they.
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Mar 22, 2018 21:15
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Toxic 30k Grog: "My guys are going to deepstrike here" Opponent shakes with rage: "There are too many universal special rules in this game! How can I be expected to know them all!?!?!" 40k Master Race-member: "My unit of Prime Primaris Primar-ites are going to laser storm jump strike here. This is slightly different than when my Primaris Primar-ites storm laser-port." Opponent calmly, even happily, accepts this, as he knows he is playing the superior game
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Mar 22, 2018 21:32
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Broken Record Talk posted:40k Master Race-member: "My unit of Prime Primaris Primar-ites are going to laser storm jump strike here. This is
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Mar 22, 2018 21:35
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No, you see, in this version, I can use a stratagem to strike you with a laser storm, when jumping, rather than the other version, where I cannot.
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Mar 22, 2018 21:40
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The editing was about what you normally get from FW, but the major issue was balance. If you think custodes are strong in 40k, we had them in 30k first, and they are even more broken. There was definite power creep and a number of head scratchers. Despite FWs best efforts, 30k is still somehow not a hot mess
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Mar 22, 2018 21:42
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Outside fluffy descriptors most deep strikes in 8e are pretty similar. The biggest changes tend to be: - how far away the deep strikers must be from enemy models - what phase this can happen in - whether or not you need to use a stratagem to do so I cant off the top of my head think of any deep strikes that also come with other enemy-affecting effects, mostly just how the deep strikes trigger/play out (EX:Elysians need to roll for whether or not they kiss the pavement, Necron monoliths can use a stratagem to teleport warriors when it is destroyed)
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Mar 22, 2018 22:21
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It took ten thousand years but they finally came up with rules for Misericordia
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Mar 22, 2018 22:25
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I really do like how, in the noble bright future of the year 41,000, twin liked weapons function the same as two weapons. This and the AP modifier rules are great additions I hope we eventually get.
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BULBASAUR posted:I really do like how, in the noble bright future of the year 41,000, twin liked weapons function the same as two weapons. This and the AP modifier rules are great additions I hope we eventually get. To be fair, a twin linked gun is just two guns bolted together.
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Mar 22, 2018 22:39
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Hencoe posted:To be fair, a twin linked gun is just two guns bolted together. But you see if you bolt 2 guns together they will be more accurate than one gun but will never ever hit twice
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Mar 22, 2018 22:42
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Twin-Linking just being two guns that shoot at the same thing is nice. I do, however, sort of miss the old coaxial weapons.
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Mar 22, 2018 22:52
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I unironically love my Rapid Fire 2 storm bolters
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Mar 22, 2018 22:53
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Broken Record Talk posted:Toxic 30k Grog: "My guys are going to deepstrike here"
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I think deep strike is the main exception where I they should have kept a universal rule, not unlike transports. It is nice actually not having to remember what kind all of the +1/rerolls are called though. Also the decision to put rules in the 'short core rules' in the margins and then also have an advanced rule section is stupid. Want to know how transports work? It's on one of the basic rule pages in the margin! Want to know when modifiers take effect when rerolls occur? Hope you read that blurb on the side that is normally reserved for examples and poo poo you don't normally have to read!
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Mar 23, 2018 00:49
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If we are going to rip on 8th then don’t overlook the fact that just because formations are gone it’s pretty much a similar landscape of bullshit with keywords. The last 8th edition 40k event I attended had some of the grossest “lists” since the bad old days of 7th and was a complete turn off. The power creep is real, we actually miss universal rules, mortal wounds creep/pysker phase is real as well as auras and keyword abuse. I had a lot of fun with 8th when it first dropped but by 6 months in it was same old bad 40k again, hence why I’m crawling back to 30k like a beaten dog, I still hate templates though ....
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Mar 23, 2018 01:05
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Wellcum back, friend. *hands over inferior rulebook, and a set of templates*
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Mar 23, 2018 01:08
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Awuuuuu
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Mar 23, 2018 01:12
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Templates are fine! The best case against them that I have seen was in a MWG vid where orks went against NLs and gretchin cannons were demolishing dudes. Sure, you're BS2, but when you're spamming shots, it doesn't really matter, it will land somewhere. I think this could be remedied with misfires and the lot.
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Mar 23, 2018 09:03
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The main experiences that make me dislike templates are frequently playing a dude who's turns took twice as long as they should've because he was very, very meticulous about spacing his mans just right to minimize the amount of hits he'd take from blasts. even when I didn't have any template/blast weapons. And then resolving shots from a squad of either quad mortars or thunderfires which was like Firing an LBX-20 in Battletech level of tedious.
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Mar 23, 2018 09:30
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Yeah, my objections to blast templates are purely logistical. I still really like flame templates and I wish they were in 8th Edition. 8th Ed things I’d like to see in 30k: Movement, static To-Hit, alternating-activation close combat (possibly using Initiative for non-chargers), stratagems and command points (possibly tied into Rites and MotL rather than detachments), Advance instead of Run, Toughness on vehicles (but maybe keeping some sort of crit/penetration system rather than standardized degrading), target-number casting on Psychic Powers, non-randomized powers and warlord traits, Assault/Pistol/Rapid-Fire/Heavy functionality 30k stuff I absolutely do not want to lose: directional wound allocation, vehicle facing and weapon LOS rules, flame templates, Universal Special Rules, 25% Lord of War cap, grenade function in close combat Stuff I’m not married to either way: AP, morale, Deep Strike accuracy
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Killer_Bees! posted:If we are going to rip on 8th then don’t overlook the fact that just because formations are gone it’s pretty much a similar landscape of bullshit with keywords. The last 8th edition 40k event I attended had some of the grossest “lists” since the bad old days of 7th and was a complete turn off. You can't just point out that the people exploding about how 8th was going to be different because it was written by ~new GW~ were completely full of poo poo and 40k is a broken, powerlisted powercreeped mess inside a year. It's extremely rude.
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Mar 23, 2018 13:53
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So I need to figure out how my mans are fielding both Militia and Solar Aux units as allies, under the same livery. What I've come up with is that they (as a Solar Aux unit) got mauled on Mars in 005/006M31 and got pulled back to their home world and reorganized as a regular Imperial Army unit. E: This is sort of what happened to a lot of Red Army units that got beaten up in 941M2 (they were reorganized from the large interwar organization* to smaller wartime ones) so I guess I'm really looking for a reason this couldn't be A Thing for my plastic mans. *: That really only could have had a chance at working had Stalin not shot all the Deep Operations guys shot back in the late 930sM2.   
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TTerrible posted:You can't just point out that the people exploding about how 8th was going to be different because it was written by ~new GW~ were completely full of poo poo and 40k is a broken, powerlisted powercreeped mess inside a year. It's extremely rude. Sad but true! I exclusively play with a group of 5-6 coworkers and the number of gentlemen's agreements we already have to not break this game is comical
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8th edition was always going to go badly. The primaris leak wasn't just a conversion. Welcome to tterribles house of correction. You might not always like it, but I am always right. 
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Mar 23, 2018 18:41
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Lol you're still a little mad at the posters who were being cunts about the Primaris lieutenant leak aren't you :v
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Mar 23, 2018 19:06
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I'm not mad about it, I'm correct. 
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Mar 23, 2018 19:10
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Templates? From my cold dead slavic hands 
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Schadenboner posted:So I need to figure out how my mans are fielding both Militia and Solar Aux units as allies, under the same livery. What I've come up with is that they (as a Solar Aux unit) got mauled on Mars in 005/006M31 and got pulled back to their home world and reorganized as a regular Imperial Army unit. Great Crusade era basically has continual reorganization of imperial army units as new fleets are established/others are wound down after compliance. During the Heresy proper everyone was scrambling for whatever troops were close enough to the particular theater of operations. Shattered legions are a thing, yknow? Same principles applied to the regular army. If someone gets mad at you for mixing aux and militia you have my blessing to smash their favorite model as they whine.
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Mar 23, 2018 21:48
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gently caress all y’all 8th owns
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Hixson posted:gently caress all y’all 8th owns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU7tBHvcG1s
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Hixson posted:gently caress all y’all 8th owns Are you sure you want to come around all this toxicity being that wrong?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iywaBOMvYLI
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Broken Record Talk posted:[video type=""]/kgs/R2h42J[/video] This is what happens when all that toxin reaches your fingers
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Neurolimal posted:This is what happens when all that toxin reaches your fingers Alcohol is my favorite toxin!
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tallkidwithglasses posted:Great Crusade era basically has continual reorganization of imperial army units as new fleets are established/others are wound down after compliance. During the Heresy proper everyone was scrambling for whatever troops were close enough to the particular theater of operations. Shattered legions are a thing, yknow? Same principles applied to the regular army. Thank you for this, it makes me feel (slightly) bad about apparently kicking off a cross-thread poo poo-battle. 
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I have an old metal Dreadnought and a tubesock you can borrow, but you have to unironically say 30k is cool and good first.
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Mar 24, 2018 02:21
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Broken Record Talk posted:I have an old metal Dreadnought and a tubesock you can borrow, but you have to unironically say 30k is cool and good first. How about if I say it unironically but I'm making the JO hand gesture throughout?
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Schadenboner posted:How about if I say it unironically but I'm making the JO hand gesture throughout? Talk to Dr. Pop and get some JO Crystals first. It'd be a shame to waste all of that energy.
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