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Clawtopsy posted:rip vanilla YJ Their unit lost in army builder is now barely longer than a sectorial, whee.
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Mar 23, 2018 00:30
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That's those tariffs for ya
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Mar 23, 2018 00:36
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TwingeCrag posted:Emily + 4 Alguaciles is gonna be an absolute smasher of a link. B5 Assault pistol, X-Visored up EM light grenade launcher, and she's a WIP 14 specialist to boot. I'm more a Raoul fan I think. What an ad profile 
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Mar 23, 2018 00:37
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Pidgin Englishman posted:That's those tariffs for ya
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Mar 23, 2018 00:51
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Khisanth Magus posted:Their unit lost in army builder is now barely longer than a sectorial, whee. But YJ was a bloated faction and they are just clearing design space and it allows more new stuff!!!! You play Yu Jing, have you considered expanding your army with a
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Mar 23, 2018 01:04
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Just go play Ikari, now you can play eeeeeevil Japanese vs the pure Bushido JSA
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Mar 23, 2018 01:36
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jsa ARE the evil japanese ikari are just evil in a different way
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Mar 23, 2018 02:36
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Everyone talking about how YJ only ever ran ninjas. What about my Tokusetsu Doc+Engineer combo
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Mar 23, 2018 02:45
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i routinely ran shinobu, aragato, haramaki, ninja, karakuri and yuriko feels bad imagine im playing a sad recorder as i put these models in the bin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G44xTr8D_bw
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Mar 23, 2018 02:53
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Set them on fire then post to Facebook
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Mar 23, 2018 02:57
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Pour one out for Asuka, picked the wrong anime to be.
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Mar 23, 2018 02:58
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asuka always did well whenever i used her i mean she always died, but she died well oh! raiden. rip HRL raiden, you hosed on tohaa and nobody could stop you
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Mar 23, 2018 03:01
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The new bike character is basically Asuka, but spookier and with better CC gear.
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Mar 23, 2018 03:13
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These 4 sects take a huge royal poo poo on USARF. They look half baked by comparison.
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Mar 23, 2018 03:29
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i am not a big fan of the profile because the model same for the moderators of the galaxy and suicide morlocks
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Mar 23, 2018 03:38
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Now that YJ is gutted I look forward to getting 15+ YJ releases before the end of the year.
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Mar 23, 2018 03:43
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S.J. posted:Now that YJ is gutted I look forward to getting 15+ YJ releases before the end of the year. IIRC, Carlos said it was a bad year for YJ and that vanilla players might be better off with ISS for the forseeable future. I'd be more worried about another faction of releases diluting the pool
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Mar 23, 2018 03:47
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Full Ikari, gimme them Wu Ming links.Flipswitch posted:These 4 sects take a huge royal poo poo on USARF. They look half baked by comparison. In what particular sense?
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Mar 23, 2018 03:56
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I like that Ikari have better Wu Ming than Yu Jing. Wait, no. I don't like that at all! As .a more serious point, what is Yu Jing's faction identity, now? Yu Jing used to be 'the close combat faction', but I'd say that JSA is more deserving of that title now, as YJ don't have any CC-driven units, merely some units that also have close combat abilities. I don't think it's really heavy infantry, because most factions seem to have a variety of heavy infantries now. I don't think the YJ ones are noticeably better, merely different. e: For example, Nomads are the 'hacking faction'. Ariadna are the low-tech, good phys faction. PanO are the shooting faction, with TAGs and poor WIP. Haqqislam are the impetuous, high-WIP Doctor faction. ALEPH are the expensive, elite faction. I'm not trying to sound like I'm attacking the principle, merely understand where YJ is at now. Clawtopsy fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Mar 23, 2018 |
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Mar 23, 2018 04:08
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Well most of the faction is in ISS, so I guess the 'denial' faction? They can get around just about anything you bring. I am glad I already have a full Wu Ming link though so I can just play Ikari or w/e that new list is.
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Mar 23, 2018 04:34
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Clawtopsy posted:I like that Ikari have better Wu Ming than Yu Jing. Until Yu Jing gets IA and the additional units that will come with it, it doesn't really feel like Vanilla Yu Jing is a faction worth playing. They still have some fun, cool tools that ISS is lacking(Yan Huos and Hac Taos primarily), but their options are just so limited.
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Mar 23, 2018 04:43
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Clawtopsy posted:i am not a big fan of the profile because the model That scene from the beginning of Blade Runner, but instead Leon says "Let me tell you about Suicide Squad." Seriously, they gotta calm that poo poo.
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Mar 23, 2018 04:44
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Magic Rabbit Hat posted:All good advice, but keep in mind that in ISS, bounty hunters, including Sforza and Ashcroft, are regular! Not entirely true. They need to be run in a Duo with Miranda Ashcroft to benefit from the regular orders. They are a "Miranda Ashcroft Hunting Party." Other Bounty Hunters are still irregular. If you try taking just one "Regular Order" Bounty Hunter, and no Ashcroft, the list won't be approved as ITS legal.
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Mar 23, 2018 04:45
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grassy gnoll posted:I hope that makes sense. I'm not trying to bully you into doing things my way, but to try and explain my decision-making process when I whip up a list. The great part about Infinity is that there are so many options and ways for your list to articulate, you can have multiple, mutually-exclusive lists for a single faction across multiple players, and they can all be successful. Even if you look at what I've suggested and decide it's total bullshit, that can help you form your preferences and strategic thinking. No! Your advice is incredibly useful. At the moment my experience level is about 4 games. I've got a vague idea of the concepts behind list building, but not how to apply them yet. You're helping a lot.  Comedy Su Jian──────────────────────────────────────────────────  9  4 SÙ-JIÀN Spitfire, Light Flamethrower, Panzerfaust / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 59) CELESTIAL GUARD (Kuang Shi Control Device) Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 13) CELESTIAL GUARD Lieutenant Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) KUANG SHI Chain Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 5) SOPHOTECT Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 31) CELESTIAL GUARD Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 13)2.5 SWC | 149 Points Open in Infinity Army Revised Su Jian to include a Sophotect. I suppose I could swap out the combi Celestial for a baggage rem and Yudbot. I'm thinking of running this or the MSV list for Annihilation/Frontline and Kanren for Seize the Antennas. What are your thoughts? I'm also tempted to use the list you wrote out, adapted to 1st release recon rules, but I think I'll learn more by using my list with advice than just taking one.
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Mar 23, 2018 06:25
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Clawtopsy posted:As .a more serious point, what is Yu Jing's faction identity, now? Yu Jing used to be 'the close combat faction', but I'd say that JSA is more deserving of that title now, as YJ don't have any CC-driven units, merely some units that also have close combat abilities. Unoptimized default faction outclassed by absolutely anything else in the game aka pray to the dice god that your 50+ point HI wont catch crits maybe midfield bullying with Guilangs and Daofei, but yet again, Bakunin reigns supreme there
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Mar 23, 2018 08:24
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I realise I'm not addressing the real sting here, but vanilla YJ still have solid msv2 troops, arguably the best offensive rem in the game, decent infiltrating specs, a great range of HI, a strat 3 lieutenant, something representing every skill, a solid TO troop, typical cheap line troops, arguably the best assault hi unit in the game, a very good skirmishing warband, cheap order fillers that are also decent suicide troops, top 2 holo2 access, and cheap Wip 14 specialists with good options. I mean, yeah, losing JSA defo removed some options. Which is poo poo if they were favs. But it's far from a lost cause unless you reallllly love mi for some reason (on which case they were poo poo anyway).
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Mar 23, 2018 08:31
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While I understand Vanilla still has some nice toys to play with, I'm not so much looking for a list of their staples right now. Lots of factions have examples of those units in strong roles, with maybe the exception of 'best offensive remote'. Of course, describing Yu Jing as the 'Yaoxie Faction' is even a bit silly - Seeing as JSA kept those, too. What I am looking for is faction identity. Imagine you are running an introductory game - How would you sum up Yu Jing's playstyle or notable traits in a sentence or two? For example: "PanO is the the hyper-advanced Capitalist superpower, consisting of India and the Oceanic States. In game, they are focused around their exceptional shooting ability and high-tech toys, but weak willpower." What is Yu Jing's faction identity, now? What are their defining traits? Arguably, any faction with a delivery system is better at Close Combat than Yu Jing. Heavy Infantry is too generic, as every faction (barring Ariadna, of course) has a generous selection.
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Mar 23, 2018 11:01
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Clawtopsy posted:What is Yu Jing's faction identity, now? What are their defining traits? Arguably, any faction with a delivery system is better at Close Combat than Yu Jing. Heavy Infantry is too generic, as every faction (barring Ariadna, of course) has a generous selection. Yeah, that's a fair take. I mean, all you've really got is 'oppressive authoritarian hyper state' which isn't so attractive (well, might actually work for some..)
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Mar 23, 2018 12:20
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S.J. posted:so I guess the 'denial' faction? 
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Mar 23, 2018 12:35
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Clawtopsy posted:i routinely ran shinobu, aragato, haramaki, ninja, karakuri and yuriko  Pidgin Englishman posted:(well, might actually work for some..) (we need a  emote but with a Nazi shooting himself in the foot)Clawtopsy posted:i am not a big fan of the profile because the model
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Mar 23, 2018 12:43
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Pidgin Englishman posted:Yeah, that's a fair take. I mean, all you've really got is 'oppressive authoritarian hyper state' which isn't so attractive (well, might actually work for some..) It's a very interesting fluff perspective - It's certainly one of the reasons I started YJ to begin with. However, lots of players starting out like some crunch with their fluff. For example, some players gravitate towards tough, tanky armies. Some gravitate towards 'tricky' armies which rely on zany mechanics, and some gravitate towards glass cannons. If I'm sitting on the fence about which faction to choose from an aesthetic or fluff perspective, crunch really helps me. For others, it's their driving motivation. Pierzak posted:No you didn't. The data says otherwise and besides if I didn't run something it means that thing doesn't suit the faction identity, so why don't you like the new JAPANESE SECESSIONIST ARMY box? congrats on getting into the warcor program! e: I legitimately had someone tell me that "Aragato always died when I used them, therefore it's fine they're gone." today it was very hard not to reply 'git gud'. Clawtopsy fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Mar 23, 2018 |
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Mar 23, 2018 13:04
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Clawtopsy posted:I like that Ikari have better Wu Ming than Yu Jing. poo poo head magnet. Though actually I'd make the point still has the best variety of HI and Remotes in the game but the faction boundaries have been mostly wiped by N3 as a whole. Special Fireteams have completely slapped distinctions sideways as have new units. I'd wait and see what's coming before trying to pigeon hole your army.
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Mar 23, 2018 13:09
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Flipswitch posted:poo poo head magnet. also congrats on getting into the warcor program!
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Mar 23, 2018 13:11
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Clawtopsy posted:also congrats on getting into the warcor program! Seriously it's toy soldiers, wait and see how it pans out. CB needs to put word out on what's coming, hopefully tomorrow.
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Mar 23, 2018 13:33
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it was more in reference to the shithead line, that seems to be the stance of the forum warcors who get v defensive if you critisize daddy bostria As for waiting for more info, I would love some more in the coming days! Unfortunately, the track record of the past few weeks has not inspired confidence.
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Mar 23, 2018 13:50
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Nah I'm not being serious with the poo poo head line bro, that's more of a jab at a local who lurks the thread. Cb definitely need to put out information, even if its just a teaser with no actual information rather than trying to build hype via questionable silence agreed. It's a learning process for them is my only real defence, but the new JSA are well good.
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Mar 23, 2018 13:53
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The JSA (Celty excluded) are very cool, and good. Sadly I don't really have the time nor finances to start another faction. Power to those people that want to focus on them! I'll enjoy putting the dirty traitors in the dirt. Do I think it's a fairly unkind business choice? Yep! Is it a sensible business choice? Also yes. Do I like it? Not really, no. Do I have to? Also no. Has it been handled poorly? Yeah, I would say so. Lots of the groups I'm in have sort of seen it as YJ open season because Bostria made the 'tears' comment, as internet folk are wont to do. The kicking while down kinda blows. e: plus, Yu Jing stands to lose 1/2 of their remaining characters, thanks to backdoor. Clawtopsy fucked around with this message at 14:20 on Mar 23, 2018 |
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Mar 23, 2018 14:00
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Clawtopsy posted:congrats on getting into the warcor program! 
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