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Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Dadbod Apocalypse posted:

ah yes...the ol' When Was In Flames Good? twice yearly discussion is back. Has it been six months already? C'mon everybody and weigh in with your opinion on IN FLAMES!
My bad. I don't frequent this thread so much. :ohdear:

The thing is that, I still really like both the Folksy-rear end Melodeath and Nu-Metal sides on In Flames. Hell, there were songs off of A Sense of Purpose that I really liked. It's just the... buttrock? dadrock? Whatever it is that the mixing/mastering they've started using since at least ASOP but that came in full with Sounds of a Playground Fading that enables their newest sound which comes off akin to what bands like Shinedown or Nickelback would do. That's my beef with In Flames.

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Nordick
Sep 3, 2011

Yes.

Wark Say posted:

My bad. I don't frequent this thread so much. :ohdear:

gently caress the haters, if some topic really interests you then :justpost:.

Vargatron
Apr 19, 2008

MRAZZLE DAZZLE


I liked Come Clarity.

Sorry, not sorry.

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



Always just post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPh8EWRloTE

il_cornuto
Oct 10, 2004

Looks like Thy Catafalque have a new album coming out, if you like your metal weird. The violin at the end of this is gorgeous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv4FX-7E2hI

il_cornuto fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Mar 22, 2018

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense



Vintersorg posted:

Always just post.

Ok, I just remembered this band- a dude from my high school was in it for a little bit and gave me this demo when it came out so I’m sharing it with you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaZ3Eo3xasE

HeavingGirth
Oct 6, 2014

I don't know how many people are on the more brutal side of things, but the new Baalsebub is really good. FFO: trash can snares and Brodequin: https://baalsebub.bandcamp.com/album/scavengers-daughter

kumba
Nov 8, 2003

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

enjoy the ride

Lipstick Apathy
I like every In Flames album except for Siren Charms. However, everything ASOP and after may as well be under a different band name because it's not even in the same ballpark as their older material

Fight me

Dyna Soar
Nov 30, 2006
as far as melodeath goes i draw the line at carcass and at the gates. everything else i've heard is just too corny to be enjoyable.

kumba
Nov 8, 2003

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

enjoy the ride

Lipstick Apathy
good melodeath

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRx8fT7VRJ0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNDknB7UpFo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F1W8HJLV5s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mebSi4PDC34

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPIPy8sqvHU

ok the last one is really corny i get your point, but melodeath owns

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

Dyna Soar posted:

as far as melodeath goes i draw the line at carcass and at the gates. everything else i've heard is just too corny to be enjoyable.

Same. Though all the other melodeath I've tried is just more boring than anything else. It seems weird to listen to if you aren't just getting into metal.

kumba
Nov 8, 2003

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

enjoy the ride

Lipstick Apathy
also: bjorn strid is such a good vocalist, gently caress

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXYhmqs4OaM

Nazzadan
Jun 22, 2016



Like a lot of genres, most of melodeath's gems are decades old at this point. Going through my melodeath ratings I'm only seeing one album in the last 2-3 years that I would consider an amazing release for the genre.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcA6PloeFCE Basically American s/t era Wintersun

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Vargatron posted:

I liked Come Clarity.

Sorry, not sorry.
Come Clarity was basically the last great album they released as a proper metal band. It helps that it's the one record that, aside from the Misery Loves Co. jackass who's been doing all the electronics since Reroute to Remain, they recorded the whole album with mostly just the guys who produced the best 2 records for both Poison the Well and Refused.

Everything else just feels too polished.


kumba posted:

I like every In Flames album except for Siren Charms. However, everything ASOP and after may as well be under a different band name because it's not even in the same ballpark as their older material

Fight me
Basically this.

kumba posted:

also: bjorn strid is such a good vocalist, gently caress
:rock:

Smirr
Jun 28, 2012

Snowy posted:

Ok, I just remembered this band- a dude from my high school was in it for a little bit and gave me this demo when it came out so I’m sharing it with you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaZ3Eo3xasE

This rules

Vargatron
Apr 19, 2008

MRAZZLE DAZZLE


Snowy posted:

Ok, I just remembered this band- a dude from my high school was in it for a little bit and gave me this demo when it came out so I’m sharing it with you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaZ3Eo3xasE

Master this poo poo and put it out.

il_cornuto
Oct 10, 2004

Faffel posted:

Wait, The Crown put out a new album the other day? It just showed up on Spotify for me.

Yeah they did and it's great. Just constant killer riffs and solid metal fun, except for the fourth track which veers a bit too close to Arch Enemy territory in the chorus. Check out In the Name of Death, its awesome:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr-7M0MejSU&t=519s

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



The only good melodeath you need.

Timestamped to my fave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdH3b_T1NSM&t=1642s

Nazzadan
Jun 22, 2016



Hypocrisy definitely does own

Count Thrashula
Jun 1, 2003

Death is nothing compared to vindication.
Buglord
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sXGQ8_Ua5g

Hot Diggity!
Apr 3, 2010

SKELITON_BRINGING_U_ON.GIF
Lol

https://twitter.com/the_roeder/status/976679790676557824?s=19

il_cornuto
Oct 10, 2004

Neurosis (similar to Korn)

TeamJesus
Sep 21, 2006

He died for your sins...
Now he's back for your
BRAINS!
Upcoming documentary about grindcore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qf1pr_AuuA

Cool, why not?

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
the problem with melodeath is too much melo and not enough death

carcass and their associated clones are alright though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IikhmId_uk




TeamJesus posted:

Upcoming documentary about grindcore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qf1pr_AuuA

Cool, why not?

looks like they left out a very important story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu-O-qYYNvM

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

Dyna Soar posted:

as far as melodeath goes i draw the line at carcass and at the gates. everything else i've heard is just too corny to be enjoyable.

whats your take on arghoslent

Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again

Now I just want a new Amon Amarth album real bad. I didn’t follow them for a long break but I listen to Jomsviking all the time. I didn’t expect to like the super polished production as much as I do but it works well with the direction they’ve slowly going in.

Dyna Soar
Nov 30, 2006

A human heart posted:

whats your take on arghoslent

I have no opinion really, the music doesnt seem that special and their meathead wp attitude isnt exactly that compelling, either. Ive always rather listened to abscess or something

Dyna Soar fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Mar 23, 2018

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Kilometers Davis posted:

Now I just want a new Amon Amarth album real bad. I didn’t follow them for a long break but I listen to Jomsviking all the time. I didn’t expect to like the super polished production as much as I do but it works well with the direction they’ve slowly going in.
Hell, :same:

It's the most fun record they've ever done since... Fate of Norns, maybe?

Kilometers Davis
Jul 9, 2007

They begin again

Wark Say posted:

Hell, :same:

It's the most fun record they've ever done since... Fate of Norns, maybe?

:same: all of that too.

I should listen to all the in between more though

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Most of the records in between have some memorable songs, but Jomsviking is just... perfect. Even the narrative of the whole album, relatively simple as it is, works.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

The Muppets On PCP posted:

the problem with melodeath is too much melo and not enough death

carcass and their associated clones are alright though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IikhmId_uk


looks like they left out a very important story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu-O-qYYNvM

A British wrestler recently named his new finishing hold after this routine!

hopterque
Mar 9, 2007

     sup

il_cornuto posted:

Looks like Thy Catafalque have a new album coming out, if you like your metal weird. The violin at the end of this is gorgeous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv4FX-7E2hI

Cool, the violin reminds me a LOT of Indukti.

stab
Feb 12, 2003

To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high
I interviewed In Flames and Nevermore years ago and the entierty of the In FLames interview consisted of a spirited debate around Sweden beating Canada in the Olympics for the gold medal and why Peter Forsberg was better than Wayne Gretzky. We also spoke italian to the drummer at the time who spoke a fluent Italian.

That's my In Flames story.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
In Flames was part of my first metal show ever (Gigantour 2008) and it felt like I was watching Evanescence with harsh vocals outside of the couple of old tracks they played (which weren’t that much better)

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense



All I know about In Flames is that Peter Iwers and Bjrn Gelotte sell good burgers, serve yummy beers, and make silly music.

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Can someone here explain what is it about Converge that makes people think they're inventive? Like, I can appreciate that Kurt Ballou's production gives the band a certain edge / asphyxiating atmosphere (and I actually think that the work he does for other bands' records is fairly cool), but am I the only one thinking that they're basically not all that different from, say, The Dillinger Escape Plan as far as having a very samey body of work sprinkled with some brief moments of ingenuity?

Don't want to come off as a whiny jackoff, it's just... always puzzled me. Like yeah, Jane Doe is a pretty baller noisy record, but every other Converge record after feels like they're trying to ape that exact same moment in time, aside from a song or two per record.

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
Doomed labels all w/the wolverine blues
Shepherd their flock of sheep
To god city to be forever “Entombed”
By lord, savior producer, douche
gently caress Kurt Ballou
Bring your sound down to clowntown
Do you hear what I hear?
Your sound is now his sound
You’re paying for the name

Dyna Soar
Nov 30, 2006

Wark Say posted:

Can someone here explain what is it about Converge that makes people think they're inventive? Like, I can appreciate that Kurt Ballou's production gives the band a certain edge / asphyxiating atmosphere (and I actually think that the work he does for other bands' records is fairly cool), but am I the only one thinking that they're basically not all that different from, say, The Dillinger Escape Plan as far as having a very samey body of work sprinkled with some brief moments of ingenuity?

Don't want to come off as a whiny jackoff, it's just... always puzzled me. Like yeah, Jane Doe is a pretty baller noisy record, but every other Converge record after feels like they're trying to ape that exact same moment in time, aside from a song or two per record.

for some reason they stood from the crowd back when chaotic metalcore like that was blooming. never quite understood their appeal myself, i guess it's because they've got kind of a tortured emo vibe to them where as bands like botch, coalesce , deadguy or burnt by the sun were weirder and never really broke genre limitations. same as poison the well, they were a bit more melodic and emo but kinda tread the same waters i guess?

oh and because they kept on going where most of their peers quit. dillinger escape plan really only got big when they got the muscular, good looking new singer who could sing melodic choruses, lol

Dyna Soar fucked around with this message at 11:09 on Mar 23, 2018

Durendal
Jan 25, 2008

Who made you God to say
"I'll take your sheep from you?"



In Flames chat: I love Jester through Clayman. :shrug:

I would even say Clayman is one of my favorite albums period. Swim, Brush the Dust Away, Suburban Me, Pinball Map, Bullet Ride, Another Day in Quicksand, Square Nothing, and Clayman are all phenomenal songs.

As for modern melodeath, Insomnium and Belakor loving own.

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il_cornuto
Oct 10, 2004

Wark Say posted:

Can someone here explain what is it about Converge that makes people think they're inventive? Like, I can appreciate that Kurt Ballou's production gives the band a certain edge / asphyxiating atmosphere (and I actually think that the work he does for other bands' records is fairly cool), but am I the only one thinking that they're basically not all that different from, say, The Dillinger Escape Plan as far as having a very samey body of work sprinkled with some brief moments of ingenuity?

Don't want to come off as a whiny jackoff, it's just... always puzzled me. Like yeah, Jane Doe is a pretty baller noisy record, but every other Converge record after feels like they're trying to ape that exact same moment in time, aside from a song or two per record.

All We Love We Leave Behind is a super fun record packed full of killer riffs and great drumming, every song is fantastic. It also sounds very different to Jane Doe, there's no way this would have been on an older Converge record for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncyUDtp_rJk

DEP's sound changed quite a bit throughout their career and song to song they change things up a lot, they split up without having put out a single bad album which is impressive. They also sound distinctly different from Converge IMO.

It sounds like you just don't like the kind of music they do, which is totally fine, but saying either band's body of work is samey is pretty weird to me and makes me think of the people who don't like metal who think it all sounds the same. If you're not into and it and it just sounds like chaotic riffing and yelling I guess that would explain it, but there's a lot more going on than that.

But basically, I love both bands because they make great music that I enjoy listening to and have obvious passion for and fun with what they're doing.

il_cornuto fucked around with this message at 12:36 on Mar 23, 2018

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