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Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

Grimey Drawer
The Macan is a terrific car but isn't comparable at all to a 911 for driving, it's pretty much an S4 hatchback back when S4s were actually good in the B8 era. I would go 996 for cheap because 997s are just facelifted 996s with a better interior for 10k more and I doubt you'll find many good 997.2s in the 40s. Also consider the 996 Turbo because they're in the ~40 range, will smoke the other 3, are beginning to appreciate, and have bulletproof engines.

Also the PDK is incredibly good and if I was DDing I'd get a PDK 911 without a second thought.

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got off on a technicality
Feb 7, 2007

oh dear

Jymmybob posted:

Also the PDK is incredibly good and if I was DDing I'd get a PDK 911 without a second thought.
Echoing this; I test drove a 2012 C2S w PDK years back and found it drat near telepathic. Having said that, the 7-speed is a sweetheart too :)

wallaka
Jun 8, 2010

Least it wasn't a fucking red shell

I serously want to get a 2010-ish Cayenne Turbo S and redneck the poo poo out of it. Mud Grapplers, fabricated bumpers, winches, lightbars, the works. I think it would piss off almost everybody and still be pretty quick.

Residency Evil
Jul 28, 2003

4/5 godo... Schumi

Voltage posted:

So I'm really torn between a cheapo 996 for 15-20k, a cheapo 997.1 for under 30, or just going whole hog and getting a 997.2 for 40.

However I noticed that Macan S's are right around 30-35 with 50-70k miles. I keep hearing they are just a rally hatchback and super fun. PDK only seems like a big drawback but just so much more practical than a 911...

I'll hit up a porsche dealer this weekend and drive some stuff and report back.

Our Macan is a great car. It has all of the space we need for a trip, soaks up highway miles effortlessly, is comfortable around town, isn't too big, and is still fun to drive. If I'm being honest with myself, I prefer it to the Cayman for driving around the city/doing every day stuff. I'm sure in GTS form it'd be pretty much the perfect car.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

wallaka posted:

I serously want to get a 2010-ish Cayenne Turbo S and redneck the poo poo out of it. Mud Grapplers, fabricated bumpers, winches, lightbars, the works. I think it would piss off almost everybody and still be pretty quick.

Mine pisses off the purists, but generally gets a lot of "hell yeah, I've never seen one actually dirty before" comments. I haven't gone as far as bumpers, because it's really not the kind of vehicle that you want to/will be good at crawling. I'm taking home hints from Taureg guys in attempting to fit a hidden winch, but it's kinda tough on the turbos because the front is slam full of intercoolers and poo poo.

And you definitely want a 2010 or older (955 or 957) for this, because the 958's down have a low speed transfer case.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

Grimey Drawer
Woke up the 996TT today after a couple months without starting it up from fighting with a dead battery and lovely weather. Also swapped in a 996GT3 shift knob/boot to replace the 997GT3 knob that never fit correctly. I took the opportunity to see what shifter I had it in and looks like I lucked out because it's a 997.2 GT3 shifter which is about the best since it's shorter than a stock 996 and has metal bushings so that was a fun surprise and makes sense why it feels so good.

Here's a boring video of the startup. I was hoping for a better smokeshow but I guess we got it cooled down properly before parking it last time so there was only the little puff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxl4ZlV_9cI

wallaka
Jun 8, 2010

Least it wasn't a fucking red shell

Motronic posted:

Mine pisses off the purists, but generally gets a lot of "hell yeah, I've never seen one actually dirty before" comments. I haven't gone as far as bumpers, because it's really not the kind of vehicle that you want to/will be good at crawling. I'm taking home hints from Taureg guys in attempting to fit a hidden winch, but it's kinda tough on the turbos because the front is slam full of intercoolers and poo poo.

And you definitely want a 2010 or older (955 or 957) for this, because the 958's down have a low speed transfer case.

I definitely want low range.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Jymmybob posted:

Woke up the 996TT today after a couple months without starting it up from fighting with a dead battery and lovely weather. Also swapped in a 996GT3 shift knob/boot to replace the 997GT3 knob that never fit correctly. I took the opportunity to see what shifter I had it in and looks like I lucked out because it's a 997.2 GT3 shifter which is about the best since it's shorter than a stock 996 and has metal bushings so that was a fun surprise and makes sense why it feels so good.

Here's a boring video of the startup. I was hoping for a better smokeshow but I guess we got it cooled down properly before parking it last time so there was only the little puff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxl4ZlV_9cI

That blue is a wrap, right? Looks pretty convincing as paint.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

I woke up the bike this weekend and stuck the battery tender on the 911. Stone dead, window wouldn't auto drop, frunk light wouldn't turn on. A day later has power but still charging. I want to drop the sump pan to do an inspection and do the brakes before I fire it up this year.

e: Yeah, that wrap looks good.

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

Grimey Drawer

kimbo305 posted:

That blue is a wrap, right? Looks pretty convincing as paint.

Yup, Avery Dennison Light Blue. There's a few areas that need redone and there's a few spots I'm not thrilled with but unless you get right up to it and look for it they're not very noticeable. I can only be so mad about not nailing every one of the million louver edges but I did expect a better job overall.

FortifiedTumor
Aug 4, 2007
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I'm the proud owner of a 72k mile 996 911. Been driving it this weekend. I think it's the best car I've ever owned.

Question though. It's the first 911 I've owned and I'm trying to sort out everything that might not be right. Is the steering usually more heavy than most cars?

At slow speeds (where power steering matters) it's pretty heavy. If I'm reversing into a parking spot it's difficult to palm the steering wheel with one hand. It can be done though.

At high speeds (or even anything above 10 really) it feels about "normal".

There's no noise from the power steering pump or anything that obviously indicates an issue.

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
Let's have a drink!
Hard to say without feeling it yet but yes the steering is heavier than a lot of other cars.

FortifiedTumor
Aug 4, 2007
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If only I had an adapter for my torque wrench to get a more accurate measurement.

Thanks. Kind of a vague thing to try and google.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
I would say it's not particularly heavy compared to other sports cars, especially those with wider front tires. Compared to a rental econobox with crazy boosted steering, yeah, it takes some effort.

got off on a technicality
Feb 7, 2007

oh dear
That and you'll feel a lot more feedback from bumps etc through the wheel; iirc it's because there's a good amount of caster built in. It's all part of the charm

You should absolutely make sure the power steering fluid is properly topped up nonetheless

Also I would suggest having a Porsche specialist go over the undertray for missing / damaged bits of plastic / rubber trim. By 50k my 987 needed brake ducts (we put new GT3 ones on), a couple of bits to direct air towards the transmission, a bunch of front lip trim and so on

krysmopompas
Jan 17, 2004
hi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWmDSYfs8cQ
I’ve been meaning to make a proper driving video sometime, but this poo poo keeps happening every nice weekend.

Thankfully, the fuel system is the last major area of neglect from the previous owners and i’m down to mostly cosmetics.

thechalkoutline
Jul 8, 2006



Jymmybob posted:

Yup, Avery Dennison Light Blue. There's a few areas that need redone and there's a few spots I'm not thrilled with but unless you get right up to it and look for it they're not very noticeable. I can only be so mad about not nailing every one of the million louver edges but I did expect a better job overall.

Having no experience with wraps but loving that light blue, some questions: how hard is it to keep clean? Can you just wash it as usual? How long do they last?

Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

Grimey Drawer

thechalkoutline posted:

Having no experience with wraps but loving that light blue, some questions: how hard is it to keep clean? Can you just wash it as usual? How long do they last?

It's sort of cheating but it's ceramic pro coated on top of the wrap which makes it repel just about everything. I rinse it off with a hose and it's better than any wash and detail I've given any car in terms of results. Garaged it should get 10 years at least.

thechalkoutline
Jul 8, 2006



Jymmybob posted:

It's sort of cheating but it's ceramic pro coated on top of the wrap which makes it repel just about everything. I rinse it off with a hose and it's better than any wash and detail I've given any car in terms of results. Garaged it should get 10 years at least.

That is the best answer I could have possibly hoped for... been looking to wrap in Gulf for a couple months now but wanted to make sure it was worth the hefty investment

Question for you all: anyone have any experience with replacement keys? I lost one awhile ago and have moved far away since so I just need a replacement cut and programmed to key#1.

Are there any options besides getting gutted by dealer pricing? I'd expect something like $500 but haven't bothered to call and ask, was curious what my other options are before I do?

guidoanselmi
Feb 6, 2008

I thought my ideas were so clear. I wanted to make an honest post. No lies whatsoever.

Anyone going to Festival of Speed this weekend? http://www.zone8.org/events/speedfestival.php

Blue On Blue
Nov 14, 2012

Still struggling to find my summer time Porsche

Its either sleazy US imported cars in Quebec with no service history, or private sales where they want $30k for a bone stock 1999 996 , and refuse to budge on the price because 'I just put 15 thousand into her last summer bro'

Here4DaGangBang
Dec 3, 2004

I beat my dick like it owes me money!
Hey folks, my Dad recently bought a 987 Cayman S manual, and the amount of slop in the gear shifter blows my mind (same in a mate’s 996 Carrera), I’ve never experienced such a sloppy shifter as in those two cars.

Dad has ordered some short shifter from the US which is supposed to eliminate a lot of the slop in the mechanism, but we found a round linkage sticking out of the gearbox when we had it on the hoist which had a lot of play in it too so the shifter is only part of the equation, obviously. Does anyone know what the causes of the various points of slop are and how to address them?

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
According to the short shifter install guide on Pelican, those are the two sources of slop -- the ball-joint cable end at the shifter and then at the transmission.

For the 996, you have to buy the cable with the cable end to replace the trans end.

McTinkerson
Jul 5, 2007

Dreaming of Shock Diamonds


Edit: Wrong thread

Here4DaGangBang
Dec 3, 2004

I beat my dick like it owes me money!

kimbo305 posted:

According to the short shifter install guide on Pelican, those are the two sources of slop -- the ball-joint cable end at the shifter and then at the transmission.

For the 996, you have to buy the cable with the cable end to replace the trans end.

So is the cable end you’re referring to the round linkage on the trans?

I’ve got to say I’m completely flabbergasted by how terrible the Porsche shifter feel is in pretty much all aspects. Even the shifter knobs feel like creaky two-piece plastic affairs (which they may well be in the models I’ve driven), and I expected way more.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Here4DaGangBang posted:

So is the cable end you’re referring to the round linkage on the trans?

Figure 6?: https://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/Porsche-996-997-Carrera/37-TRANS-Transmission_Removal/37-TRANS-Transmission_Removal.htm

The short shifter install doc notes:
"Unfortunately, at this time the only way to renew the transmission-end bushings is to replace the entire cable. Replacement is pretty straightforward--it involves disconnecting the cable from the shifter and then feeding it through the engine compartment to the transmission."

I didn't like the shifting before I install the short shifter. After, the shift timing was much better, but feel wasn't great.

Here4DaGangBang
Dec 3, 2004

I beat my dick like it owes me money!

No, it's a wheel like the one on the side of this gearbox: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0592/3957/products/DSC00274.jpeg?v=1438281974

Dave Inc.
Nov 26, 2007
Let's have a drink!
I thought my 996 shifter was okay, but it's definitely not a S2000 shifter.

iwentdoodie
Apr 29, 2005

🤗YOU'RE WELCOME🤗

Dave Inc. posted:

I thought my 996 shifter was okay, but it's definitely not a S2000 shifter.

If you ever want to enjoy a shifter, you can never drive an S2000. I don't even like the car but my god that trans.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon

Jymmybob posted:

Also consider the 996 Turbo because they're in the ~40 range, will smoke the other 3, are beginning to appreciate, and have bulletproof engines.

As an owner of an ‘01 Turbo I’m seconding this, just replace the plastic water pump with a metal one.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Hmm, dunno. Looks like the part# is 98730305110
https://www.porscheatlantaperimeterparts.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_assembly=476258&ukey_make=1058&ukey_model=15416&ukey_category=20123

Looks like in theory you can buy it loose:
https://www.pelicanparts.com/More_Info2/98730305110.htm

I'm not convinced that the flywheel would be able to develop that much play by itself. Is there looseness between the wheel and the bolt?
Anyways, there's probably also some play in the ball joint off of the flywheel and the links that plug into it, though sounds like that isn't your problem.

Here4DaGangBang
Dec 3, 2004

I beat my dick like it owes me money!

kimbo305 posted:

Hmm, dunno. Looks like the part# is 98730305110
https://www.porscheatlantaperimeterparts.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_assembly=476258&ukey_make=1058&ukey_model=15416&ukey_category=20123

Looks like in theory you can buy it loose:
https://www.pelicanparts.com/More_Info2/98730305110.htm

I'm not convinced that the flywheel would be able to develop that much play by itself. Is there looseness between the wheel and the bolt?
Anyways, there's probably also some play in the ball joint off of the flywheel and the links that plug into it, though sounds like that isn't your problem.

I’ll have to have a look again but from memory the flywheel itself was able to be moved a bit. Cheers for finding that diagram. :)

drgitlin
Jul 25, 2003
luv 2 get custom titles from a forum that goes into revolt when its told to stop using a bad word.

Residency Evil posted:

Our Macan is a great car. It has all of the space we need for a trip, soaks up highway miles effortlessly, is comfortable around town, isn't too big, and is still fun to drive. If I'm being honest with myself, I prefer it to the Cayman for driving around the city/doing every day stuff. I'm sure in GTS form it'd be pretty much the perfect car.

The GTS is indeed bloody good. Drives utterly unlike an SUV.

wallaka
Jun 8, 2010

Least it wasn't a fucking red shell

kimbo305 posted:

Figure 6?: https://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/Porsche-996-997-Carrera/37-TRANS-Transmission_Removal/37-TRANS-Transmission_Removal.htm

The short shifter install doc notes:
"Unfortunately, at this time the only way to renew the transmission-end bushings is to replace the entire cable. Replacement is pretty straightforward--it involves disconnecting the cable from the shifter and then feeding it through the engine compartment to the transmission."

I didn't like the shifting before I install the short shifter. After, the shift timing was much better, but feel wasn't great.

When that plastic socket retaining clip on the shifter cable broke on my Cayman, the only replacement cable I could find was a $600 aftermarket one with billet aluminum ends or the $600 OEM one from the dealership.

I used two zip ties to hold it on and carried spares in the car with me. I had to replace the zip ties once before I got rid of it.

ColHannibal
Sep 17, 2007
Well it’s the end of the line for my 06 Boxster, there is a problem with the Cam in that it won’t adjust the bank on one side.

My guy thinks it’s a stretched timing chain as there is no toast to my oil or metal shavings meaning I did not lose a tooth or anything.

It’s a $7000 problem at the minimum, time to trade it to a dealer before the check engine light turns on.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

You ruled out the, uh, adjusters themselves?

ColHannibal
Sep 17, 2007

slidebite posted:

You ruled out the, uh, adjusters themselves?

Yea, they checked the solenoids and they where trying to adjust the bank but they could not successfully do so. What was happening was the car would rarely toss out a check engine light if you drove it too hard when it was cold then clear it quickly after a few restarts and you could never get it to replicate it if you tried.


The car was a early 987 with over a hundred thousand miles on it, chances are it would have been an easy fix ... after you drop the engine. I traded it into a Dealer to avoid feeling like a bad person by selling it to somebody and got a newer 987 with almost no miles on it.

Blue On Blue
Nov 14, 2012

'05 997 with 140,000km on the clock , aside from the fact both the transmission and engine are probably due to be replaced

What else should one keep an eye out for ?

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Just the obvious stuff. I don't think they have any real achilles heel other than IMS hysteria.

Fellow Porsche havers, any of you guys using an LN spin on adapter for oil filters? I bought one but realized I need to get a filter for it (will install when I drop the sump pan/change oil).

Plan on using a Wix 51042 but wondering what the hive mind thinks or uses. I've always liked Wix.

slidebite fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Apr 21, 2018

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Jymmybob
Jun 26, 2000

Grimey Drawer
Sold my salvage 996 today :toot:

Took a slight loss but at least I'm down to 4 cars although I'm also selling the 968 to clear up room. I'm thoroughly bummed about that but I just don't drive it much.

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