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AstheWorldWorlds posted:Really though if we have reached the end of history because capitalist elites are unbeatable techno gods with omniscient Intel and infinite drones then we should all embrace slavery and fascism because that will be the only thing possible. I wonder if the resurgence of both far-left and far-right movements is because people realize this on some level and it's like, right now is the last chance
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AstheWorldWorlds posted:Really though if we have reached the end of history because capitalist elites are unbeatable techno gods with omniscient Intel and infinite drones then we should all embrace slavery and fascism because that will be the only thing possible. i don't think anyone said that
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WampaLord posted:Weren't the federal rangers several hundred yards away? "pointing rifles at" is doing a lot of work here. you do know that bullets work at a distance, right? WampaLord posted:If there was an insurgency in America that the government wanted to put down, all they have to do is use the NSA to figure out where they live, then rain down drone missiles on them. the us government would be much more hesitant to drone someone on american soil than they would be to have FBI, ICE, Local cops, etc. black bag them, because drone strikes would lower surrounding property values.
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Mar 25, 2018 17:35
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I found footage of the post gun-control c-spam communist revolution
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Mar 25, 2018 17:35
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Nonviolent resistance only works if it is viewed as the acceptable alternative to violent resistance, it is much easier to ignore if it doesn’t have the implicit backing of violent means
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Mar 25, 2018 18:16
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WampaLord posted:If there was an insurgency in America that the government wanted to put down, all they have to do is use the NSA to figure out where they live, then rain down drone missiles on them. a real insurgency has more than a few hundred members the US could absolutely fall to a revolution...but it would have to be a real revolution with a substantial portion of the US population supporting it, not fifty twitter socialists buying guns and declaring war on capitalism the minute the people who work at the drone factories and the gun factories and the missile factories start shooting at their bosses and sending their missiles to the revolution instead of the NSA, the government will rapidly discover the will to compromise and make concessions. but that requires building mass acceptance of anti-capitalism, not just raising the subject of guns at the traditional leftist circular firing squad small, isolated revolutionary groups get crushed with overwhelming force because the elites know that they're in deep poo poo if the revolution stops being small and isolated
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Mar 25, 2018 18:30
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WampaLord posted:"But...but...but...THE TALIBAN!" did you know the us government is made up of people? and that if people are rebelling, that includes things like the us military and the nsa? not too mention that most people aren’t going to be too happy about their neighborhoods getting destroyed
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Mar 25, 2018 18:53
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Bushiz posted:the us government would be much more hesitant to drone someone on american soil than they would be to have FBI, ICE, Local cops, etc. black bag them, because drone strikes would lower surrounding property values. ate poo poo on live tv posted:not too mention that most people aren’t going to be too happy about their neighborhoods getting destroyed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE#1985_bombing
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Mar 25, 2018 19:00
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itt we fantasize about starting a violent socialist revolution
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Mar 25, 2018 19:00
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etalian posted:itt we fantasize about starting a violent socialist revolution nah, just saying that the government isn’t omnipotent, homogenous and omniscient, so therefore can be fought via a myriad of means.
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Mar 25, 2018 19:07
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the weapons useful for sabotage and early-stage revolution are not the weapons necessarily being considered for restriction it's probably better to focus on being armed enough to hypothetically seize poorly-guarded or wavering materiel rather than self-arming leftist infantry units, and that's a revolver and hunting rifle job incidentally in american examples, it's also how it worked in the vermont theatre of the revolutionary war, which is the one that actually made lasting gains starting from an unsupplied militia (and was also less a revolution fought against the royal army and more one fought against another colony, which managed to finally secure independent independence by trading captured heavy arms for recognition) Mandoric has issued a correction as of 19:23 on Mar 25, 2018 |
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Mar 25, 2018 19:09
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Jeb! Repetition posted:At the April 12 standoff Bundy said "we're ready to take the country over with force," had his militia pointing rifles at federal rangers, and ordered them to fire if the feds did. They were absolutely using their second amendment right to rebel. BLM gave him all his cows back and ran off with their tail between their legs. There is no 2nd Amendment right to rebel. God drat there are way too many NRA talking points in this thread.
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Mar 25, 2018 19:16
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MOVE was a bunch of psychos tho
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Rand alPaul posted:There is no 2nd Amendment right to rebel. God drat there are way too many NRA talking points in this thread. agreed, the 2nd amendment is specifically for bearing arms regardless of purpose.
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Mar 25, 2018 19:25
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Rand alPaul posted:There is no 2nd Amendment right to rebel. God drat there are way too many NRA talking points in this thread. I meant "using their second amendment right in order to rebel" not "using their right to rebel granted by the second amendment"
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Mar 25, 2018 19:33
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Sir Tonk posted:MOVE was a bunch of psychos tho So you're saying we would have been better served by sending the Philly police instead of the BLM after the Bundies, got it
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Mar 25, 2018 19:44
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counterpoint, you will never get socialism without guns
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Mar 25, 2018 19:44
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the weapons you need for a revolution are publicly unavailable already so it seems dumb to me to oppose restrictions on the weapons that kill innocent proles every day
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Mar 25, 2018 19:50
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Guns for some, miniature American flags for others.
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Mar 25, 2018 19:59
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logikv9 posted:you can beat anybody as long as you're white and live in a dumbass state that somehow fucks up in convicting your crimes.mov "Somehow fucks up" 
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Mar 25, 2018 20:06
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Raskolnikov38 posted:the weapons you need for a revolution are publicly unavailable already so it seems dumb to me to oppose restrictions on the weapons that kill innocent proles every day you can do some fine revolting with some semi-autos and IEDs. especially considering how easy it is to convert a semi-auto into automatic.
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Mar 25, 2018 20:23
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The Suck Zone is revolting!
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docbeard posted:The Suck Zone is revolting! You're telling me! We stink on ice!
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Mar 25, 2018 20:43
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You only need small arms to rob a National Guard Depot, and the DoD knows it. They can't defend against simultaneous revolt across the country, the best they could hope for is a revolt being concentrated in one state so they can relocate forces there and recall as few people from abroad as possible. That's the other part of a revolt, whether it succeeded or not, it would completely screw up US Hegemony around the globe.
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Mar 25, 2018 20:45
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Gunshow Poophole posted:So you're saying we would have been better served by sending the Philly police instead of the BLM after the Bundies, got it well, yeah.
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Mar 25, 2018 20:48
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https://twitter.com/thehill/status/977966617597501441 when you have no concept of just how badly you’ve ratfucked your country
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Mar 25, 2018 21:03
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Okay we get it Obama, you gently caress your wife.
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release the Stargate donald
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Tortoiseburger posted:You only need small arms to rob a National Guard Depot, and the DoD knows it. They can't defend against simultaneous revolt across the country, the best they could hope for is a revolt being concentrated in one state so they can relocate forces there and recall as few people from abroad as possible. That's the other part of a revolt, whether it succeeded or not, it would completely screw up US Hegemony around the globe. we’re much, much closer to a simultaneous synchronized etc etc right wing revolt than a left.
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Mar 25, 2018 22:02
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would an attempted right-wing populist revolution be a good thing in the long run?
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The Kingfish posted:would an attempted right-wing populist revolution be a good thing in the long run? No; not because of what it would accomplish, but who it would empower (see the attempted coup on Erdogan)
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Mar 25, 2018 22:07
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The Kingfish posted:would an attempted right-wing populist revolution be a good thing in the long run? no
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The Kingfish posted:would an attempted right-wing populist revolution be a good thing in the long run? As long as their unifying ideology isn't prosperity gospel, I'm willing to give them a chance.
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Mar 25, 2018 22:11
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:As long as their unifying ideology isn't prosperity gospel, I'm willing to give them a chance. this is childish
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Mar 25, 2018 22:13
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The Kingfish posted:would an attempted right-wing populist revolution be a good thing in the long run? There is no loving long run now. Climate change is maybe fifteen or twenty years (if we're lucky) away from severely disrupting the state of modern society.
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Mar 25, 2018 22:14
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yall underestimate the left, we have a thousand lanky Classics grad students that are ready to weakly slap the enemy
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Mar 25, 2018 22:16
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violently hurl your beet smoothie at the edifices of capitalism
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I've been playing FF6 Brave New World and the World of Ruin's acidic flooding oceans, polluted atmosphere, arid land, extinct species and economic disruption are hitting too close to home
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