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Unfortunately unlikely - the highest ranked opponent he's had was Shodai at M4. They'll probably start throwing higher ranks at him in a couple of days if he keeps winning. Shame, because he seems pretty on ball this basho - I think all his wins have been pretty solid.
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Goeido's henka was some bullshit. Kaisei versus Ichinojo was great, I hadn't realized how similarly sized the two of them actually are.
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Yeah, even the hometown Osaka crowd didn't like that bullshit from Goeido. God willing Tochinoshin can get his 10 in the last few days. If he ends up with 9 that henka is going to really, really sting. Day 10 standings! code:
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Shiroc posted:Goeido's henka was some bullshit. Kaisei versus Ichinojo was great, I hadn't realized how similarly sized the two of them actually are. One of my buddies and I had this very conversation last night. He was very displeased with the henka result.
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Kanthulhu posted:Why does Tochinoshin need 10 wins? I guess people might be talking in terms of ozeki promotion? 10-X from this basho would mean 33 wins from the three latest bashos total, which to my understanding is possible promotion territory at his sekiwake rank. The thing that makes me doubtful about it though is the fact that his previous two bashos were at upper table maegashira (M3 in January, M6 in November), not within sanyaku ranks or the immediate proximity. Sumodb has pretty nifty search tool for poo poo like this so I went back and hopefully did the correct search to look at the question (wrestlers, who at sekiwake rank had at least 33 wins in their last three tournaments, at least ten wins from that last basho). Turns out, the case we have with Tochinoshin is not that common (if he makes that 10 wins) - most of the ozeki promotions we've seen are much more clear cut, and three basho hot streak from maegashira ranks to sekiwake is not common: Terunofuji's run started at M2 and went 8-7, 13-2 (S), 12-3 (S, yusho), promoted. He started pretty up though and had two sekiwake bashos - I recall the promotion was a done deal from the sumo association side if he took the yusho on the final day? (Miyabiyama was shafted in 2006 it looks like, or at least it tells you that the "33 wins, 10-X to cap at sekiwake" is not a hard and fast rule even if you start at sanyaku rank. Dunno if there is some extra to the story that is not apparent from stats - was not followin sumo back then. He wrestled three bashos with 10-5 (K), 14-1 (S, playoff loss to Hakuho), 10-5 (S). 34 wins all at sanyaku and no-go?) Kotooshu in 2005 had 10-5 (M5), 12-3 (K), 13-2 (S, playoff loss) for 35 and no promotion. 11-4 at the next basho did the job. Kotomitsuki in 2001 had 13-2 (M2, yusho), 9-6 (S), 12-3 (S) for 34 total, but had to wait until 2007 for his ozeki promotion. So yeah I'm not sure where the 10 win number is coming from, other than personally I do think that he's a cool wrestler and 10-5 or 11-4 this basho at sekiwake, together with the 14-1 yusho from the previous one, would definitely make the May and his second consecutive basho at sekiwake interesting and something to actually speculate ozeki run with. The situation would resemble most Terunofuji's - though "something" makes me think we might need to look at Kotooshu instead...
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I understood it as 33 wins within a 3 tournament span in the sanyaku ranks. Like you have to be at least Komusubi first before you make the wins.
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I seem to remember someone on Tachiai suggesting that starting with his 14-1 yusho he could be considered on an ozeki run if he posted 10+ wins for the next two basho, even though he wasn't in san'yaku at Hatsu. At the very least, the goal for anyone at sekiwake has to be double-digit wins, since that's the only way to advance. No one wants to be in the position of Mitakeumi (or Tamawashi before him) where you hang on at sekiwake but can only post 8-7 or 9-6 records.
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Lunsku posted:I guess people might be talking in terms of ozeki promotion? 10-X from this basho would mean 33 wins from the three latest bashos total, which to my understanding is possible promotion territory at his sekiwake rank. The thing that makes me doubtful about it though is the fact that his previous two bashos were at upper table maegashira (M3 in January, M6 in November), not within sanyaku ranks or the immediate proximity. Most people don't believe he's in line for an Ozeki run right now because November wont be considered in his total, but 10 wins in March would set him up for an Ozeki run in May because his M3 14-1 yusho is going to undoubtably "count" in that case if it happened despite him not having been in the sanyaku for the 1st of 3 basho. He beat both Ozeki, both Sekiwaki, and competed against the only remaining Yokozuna. Rigel fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Mar 22, 2018 |
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I feel like once Tochinoshin gets the double mawashi grip it's pretty much over for his opponent.
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Vargatron posted:I feel like once Tochinoshin gets the double mawashi grip it's pretty much over for his opponent. There isn’t a guy in Sanyaku not named Hakuhou he can’t tote off the ring and drat that’s so cool
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Some awesome Sumo today. Watching Ichinojou is infuriating. It's either "How has he ever beaten anyone??" or "how has anyone ever beaten him??". Two completely different wrestlers depending on the day.
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Day 12 standings! The kachi- and make-koshi are starting to really roll in.code:
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Holy h*ck, that Takayasu bout. That was some incredibly fun sumo! This is a good tournament. Wonder if there’s any fun Sumo stuff I can see when I’m in Tokyo next month.
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Lucked out - in Malaysia for some family time, so was going to miss last two days of Basho, but Airbnb apartment has NHK world on cable, so caught last night's digest this morning.Martytoof posted:Holy h*ck, that Takayasu bout. That was some incredibly fun sumo! Yeah, that was an awesome match. His opponent came out hard and he was lucky to escape the first couple of drives. It feels like every day this Basho has had a couple of really good bouts like that, with some really spirited sumo. Plus, there's been some dudes who seem like they're trying to step up - chiyomaru's been surprisingly aggressive, mitakeumi seems to be even more spirited than usual (unfortunately that hasn't been turning into wins, can't seem to catch a break at times), tochinoshin hasn't done as well this Basho, but he's still bringing it. His interview after beating Kakuryu, he was bright red - you could see he'd gone all out to win.
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So.... if Takayasu wins on Day 15 in a few hours, then he will have quietly put together back to back jun yusho. Given that the yokozuna are ailing, Hakuho is probably only good for 3 or 4 tournaments a year now, Kisenosato is done but we can't admit it yet, etc. They need some star power... If Takayasu wins today and then goes 14-1 or 13-2 Yusho in May, do they give him the rope?
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He’s gotta win another I think. They will be fine with 2 Yokozuna for awhile. The real issue is the S/K ranks. It’s pretty dire in the upper end of the middle of the pack. Endou has at least put together a few solid outings and we might get another year out of Tochinoshin but the rest of the pack is volatile as hell.
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The most important match for future rankings is probably Tochinoshin's bout with Ichinojo. 10 wins would look a hell of a lot better for his putative Ozeki run than 9. The rules can be bent a little when you win a yusho, but he can't follow his 14-1 as a maegashira with just 9 wins. If he does, then he'd need an exceptional May to have a chance, probably 13+ wins. If Tochinoshin does win today though, then 11 wins in May ought to do it.
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Special Prizes (each worth roughly $20,000) Tochinoshin won the outstanding performance prize Kaisei won the fighting spirit prize Endo won the technique prize
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Good for Kaisei. He had a really good basho this outing.
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Shiroc posted:I'm really hoping for Ozeki Tochinoshin after the May basho.  Also, grandpa sumo back in the top division in may?
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Endo receiving the gino-sho seems like a weird choice. He wrestled fine but his technique didn't seem award winning to me.
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Hey everybody! Sorry for being MIA this weekend, I was out of town again. Here are the final standings!code:Interestingly, looking back at the last 3 things we've done, the winner of fantasy sumo only held the yusho winner once, but they always held the jun-yusho winner/s and at least 2 special prize wins. Also, when sivad won with Tochinoshin it wasn't the 5 points from the yusho that made the difference. Does this suggest that maybe the yusho is under-valued in the scoring system? Or does it mean that the system is actually good, since it's not necessarily "pick Hakuho and you'll win the fantasy league." Super fun basho, had some great twists and turns. Tochinoshin vs. Ichinojo got me all riled up. Such good sumo! I really hope Tochi can hold onto it for Natsu and pull out another 10. That would be awesome. Also, Abi has managed to put together two 10-5 records in a row on his makuuchi debut. It's interesting to see that he and Onosho (who did that last) both have a lot of aggression and a bit of a tendency to over-commit. I hope Abi can work on his balance and vary up his attack in the next 6 weeks, cause he's gonna be in the joi at Natsu. hot date tonight! posted:Endo receiving the gino-sho seems like a weird choice. He wrestled fine but his technique didn't seem award winning to me. His win against Chiyotairyu stands out as a clear application of strategy and technique. He also deployed a good variety of kimarite, and displayed good technique even in bouts that he lost, like against Tochinoshin.
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Sure there's a little variation in his kimarite, but it was all standard stuff, kimarite you see 100 times a basho. Just push outs and slap downs. I can appreciate that win against Chiyotairyu, his sumo just didn't feel above and beyond the crowd to me.
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I think Abi's tendency to over commit will get better as he gets more experience in makuuchi. I think the aggression with his tsuppari causes a bit of trouble with rikishi who favor mawashi holds, but it leaves him really vulnerable to henka and pulldowns. My prediction is that he has a 7-8 record basho in May since he's going to be facing stiffer competition this time around. Speaking of stiffer competition, Tochinoshin did really well in response to his Sekiwake promotion. I think he could have easily been 12-3, but he suffered a weak loss early on and got henka'd to death on another match. That Kakuryu victory was really fun to watch and he staved off Ichinojo's lean attack very well.
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Daishomaru/Abi/Goeido did well, but Mitakeumi coming up short and Takarafuji/Shohozan's abysmal performance (switched to Shohozan at 4-0 and went 4-7 to finish the basho) pretty much submarined my team. Agree that Abi's not likely to equal his win average next basho. Was also kinda disappointed Aoiyama didn't crush his opposition at the bottom ranks of makuuchi.
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Yeah, Aoiyama looked super hot to start with, but he faded hard in the last week. Hope he can at least stay solid in makuuchi for the foreseeable, I like watching him fight. Chiyomaru was a pretty cool surprise. Too bad about the make-koshi, but it'll be interesting to see in May if he's actually flipped into a more formidable brand of sumo, or if this was just a flukey basho.
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I might sit out the next fantasy just because I didn't find myself with enough time/foresight to actually manage and swap out wrestlers -- as happens with most of my fantasy teams -- but we'll see how I feel in two months. Thanks a ton for running it, though. Has been a lot of fun, and a great excuse to root for some rikishi you wouldn't normally care much about. I was surprised how many people fell for Ishiura's schtick. You could tell that once people caught on it was a no-brainer to bring him down. Ichinojou still a super mystery. Which wrestler will show up today? Bad sumo-man, or Itchy the killer? Takayasu started off really weak, with some pretty lame losses and some iffy wins but by the end I thought he was doing really well and about at the level I expected. Really happy to see Endou do well too. Don't know why, just like the guy.
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Martytoof posted:I might sit out the next fantasy just because I didn't find myself with enough time/foresight to actually manage and swap out wrestlers -- as happens with most of my fantasy teams -- but we'll see how I feel in two months. Glad you've enjoyed the fantasy league! I agree, it makes rooting for guys in the lower ranks way more fun. I've got a buddy who specifically asked me if I had any app project ideas he could practice on, and I told him about fantasy sumo and he thought it sounded really fun, so he's been working on that for a week or so now. Maybe we'll have a rudimentary app by Natsu, that would be wild.
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It's been a while since I've been able to watch a basho from start to finish. It got a lot easier for me with the highlights coverage on NHK World on actual television. As much as I appreciate Kintamayama and Jason, nothing beats seeing coverage straight and direct from the source, with full production and everything. It was a good tournament!
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Fluffdaddy posted:Everyone loves Endou in Japan for some reason He does have especially boyish good looks for a rikishi
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Fluffdaddy posted:Everyone loves Endou in Japan for some reason Endo was rocketing up the ranks at a time when the Japanese audience were despairing of ever getting a Japanese yokozuna. Kisenosato was still known then as a guy who will get 10-12 wins but choke in pressure situations, and Kotoshogiku was not likely to ever break through because of how one-dimensional he was. Endo was the next Great
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hot date tonight! posted:Sure there's a little variation in his kimarite, but it was all standard stuff, kimarite you see 100 times a basho. Just push outs and slap downs. I can appreciate that win against Chiyotairyu, his sumo just didn't feel above and beyond the crowd to me. Endo didn't look outwardly impressive, but for those who have watched a lot of sumo he very much deserved the award. He played some excellent defensive sumo against some ferocious attacks and won multiple bouts that I was sure he was going to lose. It's hard to appreciate performances like Endo's and Kakuryu's without having observed enough sumo to see the tactical games that go on in the middle of the flurry of palms. I've been watching almost 9 years and I'm just now getting to where I can identify the kimarite (before it's displayed on the screen) at even a 50% rate.
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