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BlindSite posted:He broke school records and was behind Brian Griese his first two years. His competition for the starting job went on the nfl as well. His passer rating in college was in the 130s, while he obvs wasn't a "blue chip" prospect, to say he was bad is a bit of a stretch. what kind of pathetic school records was brady breaking
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mastershakeman posted:what kind of pathetic school records was brady breaking quote:Michigan
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Bad QBs are bad in the NFL cus QB is the hardest position to play and yet there seems to be an actual argument about it brewing here. Odd.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Schatz put out his QBASE rankings. Does FO only do this for quarterbacks or other positions?
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mastershakeman posted:what kind of pathetic school records was brady breaking most sullen cheerleader for a charles woodson defense
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Sataere posted:Does FO only do this for quarterbacks or other positions? There are different questionable metrics for other positions, such as SackSEER and Playmaker Score
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Doltos posted:Bad QBs are bad in the NFL cus QB is the hardest position to play and yet there seems to be an actual argument about it brewing here. Odd. It is so hard that Sam Bradford has been paid an entire football teams value to play 4 good games. *Chargers or Browns value.
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Elephanthead posted:It is so hard that Sam Bradford has been paid an entire football teams value to play 4 good games. He's been paid 1.5 billion?
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Elephanthead posted:It is so hard that Sam Bradford has been paid an entire football teams value to play 4 good games. Yep. And to put it in perspective Sam Bradford was an incredible QB prospect. There's guys who absolutely shred college competition with massive completion percentages and TD:INT ratios. They clown on legitimate NFL prospects or premier D1 schools. They are at best a backup in the NFL or they flame out spectacularly. That's why I was so happy having Eli. Even when he wasn't that great he was still leagues ahead of other options out there that would guarantee a losing season.
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mcmagic posted:It's going to make me so happy when the stupid loving Giants don't use their best chance to get a replacement for Manning and draft some dumb RB.... And then trade Beckham. They won't trade Beckham. These QBs suck though, although Allen sucks a lot worse than the rest. The right move is to trade down and get Chubb, although Nelson's acceptable.
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Kim Jong Il posted:They won't trade Beckham. These QBs suck though, although Allen sucks a lot worse than the rest. They are going to pass on all the QBs and look like idiots for the next decade.
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mcmagic posted:They are going to pass on all the QBs and look like idiots for the next decade. Especially if they don’t trade out of 2. You can’t tell me Chubb is worth more than Marcus Davenport + three starters or whatever.
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I can't conceive the possibility of the Giants staying at two and not taking a quarterback. If they do, Gettleman should be fired on the spot.
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Doltos posted:Yep. And to put it in perspective Sam Bradford was an incredible QB prospect. There's guys who absolutely shred college competition with massive completion percentages and TD:INT ratios. They clown on legitimate NFL prospects or premier D1 schools. They are at best a backup in the NFL or they flame out spectacularly. Bradford's career would've been a lot different if not for the injuries. Hard to predict that, he was injured in college but it was always the shoulder or ankle. Like you said he tore up college football like crazy. Eli is decent and he's just insanely durable. Same goes for a lot of the good qbs in the league. Injuries lead to lack or reps and experience, they might make you slower or more skittish, and of course your team gets totally screwed. Durability is easily one of the most important qualities for a QB, as difficult as that is to define perfectly. Sataere posted:I can't conceive the possibility of the Giants staying at two and not taking a quarterback. If they do, Gettleman should be fired on the spot. I would say it would be absolutely guaranteed if it weren't for the coaching change. The previous staff was pretty much over Eli but who knows how Shurmur feels. I agree it'd probably be a bad move. Who knows when they'll have a pick like this and when so many decent QBs will be hitting the draft.
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Brady-at-Michigan chat reminded me of the game I went to at Wisconsin where Chris Chambers dropped a wide-open touchdown because the sun was in his eyes as the ball hit him in the stomach, and then on the potential game-winning drive, on 4th and 1 we called an option pitch stretch play (which we'd never done in a game) to Ron Dayne, who got hit 4 yards behind the line of scrimmage. Brady had gone out in the early 4th q with an elbow injury.
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Abugadu posted:Brady-at-Michigan chat reminded me of the game I went to at Wisconsin where Chris Chambers dropped a wide-open touchdown because the sun was in his eyes as the ball hit him in the stomach, and then on the potential game-winning drive, on 4th and 1 we called an option pitch stretch play (which we'd never done in a game) to Ron Dayne, who got hit 4 yards behind the line of scrimmage. Brady had gone out in the early 4th q with an elbow injury. I didn't follow the draft back then outside of being super excited for Ron Dayne as a kid. I went back and watched a lot of Brady tape a few years ago from his time in Michigan and he just had such a smooth throw. His arm strength wasn't there at all and his receivers constantly had to come back towards the ball but his form was NFL perfect. I figure he dropped in the draft because his arm strength really was pathetic at times. His touch passes definitely got him drafted though. Just constantly great fades, out routes, and hitting short seam passes in stride. If you guys have time go back and watch the comeback he orchestrated against Bama. You could see a lot of talent there even though Bama's defense was falling apart. Brady was the one guy I never thought would massively improve his arm strength and he did so it goes to show you that even big guys with great form can somehow figure out how to throw farther and more accurately as time goes on.
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lol. https://twitter.com/JoshNorris/status/978280770962886657
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the last podcast ain't played nobody had a really good, in depth breakdown of just how crazy the josh allen thing is (it's sheer lunacy)
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Raku posted:the last podcast ain't played nobody had a really good, in depth breakdown of just how crazy the josh allen thing is a good quarterback prospect is a good quarterback prospect, but the mystery allen could be anything, even a good quarterback prospect!
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:a good quarterback prospect is a good quarterback prospect, but the mystery allen could be anything, even a good quarterback prospect! It's not even a mystery: he was bad against the mountain west in his "good" year https://art19.com/shows/podcast-aint-played-nobody/episodes/cb82d174-86a5-4713-828b-224cbdec5fa5 Just skip to around 20 minutes in
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If you're adding Tyrod as the unquestioned starter AND signing Drew Stanton as a backup, well… the Josh Allen #1 overall pick dream isn't completely unfeasible.
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fsif posted:If you're adding Tyrod as the unquestioned starter AND signing Drew Stanton as a backup, well… the Josh Allen #1 overall pick dream isn't completely unfeasible. And it is absolutely the most Browns move
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Raku posted:the last podcast ain't played nobody had a really good, in depth breakdown of just how crazy the josh allen thing is this upcoming podcast might change your mind https://twitter.com/PardonMyTake/status/978312572553388032
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If Allen busts (very likely) is there a better instance of everyone on the outside looking in knowing a high pick will be a disaster? Vernon Gholston comes to mind.
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Cash Monet posted:If Allen busts (very likely) is there a better instance of everyone on the outside looking in knowing a high pick will be a disaster? Pretty much everyone thought the EJ Manuel pick was really bad. And it was.
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Cash Monet posted:If Allen busts (very likely) is there a better instance of everyone on the outside looking in knowing a high pick will be a disaster? It really depends on if you think hackenberg was a high pick
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Raku posted:It really depends on if you think hackenberg was a high pick At least Johnny Manziel would likely qualify
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Bortles hasn't been a complete bust but it's still mind-boggling to me that Jacksonville picked him that high
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Cash Monet posted:Locker, Manuel, and Bortles had pretty good collegiate careers, no? Locker's stats were bad, but the other two were leagues ahead of Allen. I think this year is pretty unique insomuch that 1. there are a lot of actually good quarterback prospects and 2. there have been enough busts in recent memory that were drafted because of the Mike Mayock and Mel Kiper's of the world telling us that they were pieces of raw quarterback clay that could be molded by a deft hand into a star. Like there used to be some deference given to scouts when they spouted poo poo that seemed like nonsense to everyone outside the industry, but I can't think of many instances where they were vindicated. If Josh Allen doesn't pan out, it feels like it will represent a turning point for a lot of people's credibility.
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I think Allen has the highest bust potential, but I wouldn't blame any team for taking him even early in the draft. I think the other QBs will be very good but what Allen has over them is the chance to be unstoppable.
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fsif posted:Locker's stats were bad, but the other two were leagues ahead of Allen. You really think teams are listening to the likes of Mayock and Kiper?
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Mar 26, 2018 19:23
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Jack Locker was so mediocre in college.
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seiferguy posted:Jack Locker was so mediocre in college. I had to watch him overthrow receivers for the entirety of my undergrad tenure, I never understood why he was hyped up at all by anyone.
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