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Yeah I'm just consumed with despair at this point. I don't want to die, but I don't want to live, either. It's all so patently unfair, that the decisions were made before anyone who had to live extended periods with the consequences got to have a say. Yeah, I've said that recently. I want to do something but this problem is so huge and all-encompassing it's not like there's much that can be done, especially by random internet people with no real skills or qualifications. froglet fucked around with this message at 08:35 on Mar 24, 2018 |
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froglet posted:Yeah I'm just consumed with despair at this point. Good news! Your natural lifespan won't be long enough to see the really bad stuff come to pass anyway. That said, starting small is what you do. Start a recycling program at work. Join (or start) a local conservation group. Eat less meat. Encourage people looking to have kids to consider adoption. Maybe run for city council (or whatever the equivalent is down under). By doing these things, you're adding fuel to the zeitgeist of environmental awareness and action. Or keep wringing your hands and feeling like poo poo. That's cool, too.
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Just don’t have kids. The most unforgivable thing you can do if doom someone else to live in hell all for the sake of your personal biological urges/desire to have someone to take care of you in old age.
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Hello Sailor posted:Good news! Your natural lifespan won't be long enough to see the really bad stuff come to pass anyway. Oh I already do all those things, I still get overwhelmed by the existential angst. Guess therapy is all I can do.
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froglet posted:Oh I already do all those things, I still get overwhelmed by the existential angst. Guess therapy is all I can do. If you're doing all those, or some of those, things but feel like that you shouldn't read this thread. I mean people in general shouldn't, but you definitely shouldn't
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AceOfFlames posted:Just don’t have kids. The most unforgivable thing you can do if doom someone else to live in hell all for the sake of your personal biological urges/desire to have someone to take care of you in old age. For every child you don't have, I'm gonna have three
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Fly Molo posted:For every child you don't have, I'm gonna have three Joke's on you, children are horrible. 
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Eat carrots not carrier pigeons.
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Potato Salad posted:There's a reason this thread is dead and serious posters with credentials and experience in climate science have moved on to other communities Potato Salad posted:Thug is a joke No idea what you're on about. Guess you're just ignorant of how much CO2 humans emit and unwilling to do a Google search to find out. It's about 40Gt.
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And what's our remaining carbon budget to meet the Paris Accord's <2°C goal?
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Conspiratiorist posted:And what's our remaining carbon budget to meet the Paris Accord's <2°C goal? Complicated question, but it's not really the point. If you want to talk about permafrost melt and the carbon budget, fine. I'm responding to a guy who thinks Arctic emissions equal to 1-2 years of human CO2 emissions over 80 years this is some sort of "methane bomb" and whipping himself up into a depressive spiral about it.
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Thug Lessons posted:Complicated question, but it's not really the point. If you want to talk about permafrost melt and the carbon budget, fine. I'm responding to a guy who thinks Arctic emissions equal to 1-2 years of human CO2 emissions over 80 years this is some sort of "methane bomb" and whipping himself up into a depressive spiral about it. No, it is the point: how big of a drop in the bucket is this, really? Please go on. You frame it as "it's just one or two years worth of anthropogenic carbon emissions, guys", but how much of that can we actually afford as things stand?
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Thug Lessons posted:No idea what you're on about. Guess you're just ignorant of how much CO2 humans emit and unwilling to do a Google search to find out. It's about 40Gt. Fortunately, annual atmospheric CO2 levels are increasing at a much lower rate - about 40% of our emissions.
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Nuclear War posted:If you're doing all those, or some of those, things but feel like that you shouldn't read this thread. I mean people in general shouldn't, but you definitely shouldn't Everyone should know this info, especially the younger generation, so they can make an informed decision as to whether they want to be around to see it all they know and all they build crumble in front of their eyes.
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Conspiratiorist posted:No, it is the point: how big of a drop in the bucket is this, really? Please go on. You frame it as "it's just one or two years worth of anthropogenic carbon emissions, guys", but how much of that can we actually afford as things stand? It's not the point I'm making. You don't seem to be making a point at all, just trying to goad me with provocative questions while failing to quantify or explain anything. I can tell you this though: we're on a path to blow the carbon budget not by 40Gt CO2, but by hundreds or thousands of Gt CO2, entirely from anthropogenic sources. And that's if we meet the Paris goals, which we aren't likely to do. That is and will remain the overwhelming climate mitigation challenge, and overplaying the role of Arctic emissions serves only as a despair-inducing distraction from the need to cut carbon.
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Evil_Greven posted:Fortunately, annual atmospheric CO2 levels are increasing at a much lower rate - about 40% of our emissions. Well, yes, because most of it gets absorbed into the ocean or the biosphere. That's not really good though. It causes ocean acidification and anoxia, and if we're going to do some sort of negative emissions scheme to get back below 350ppm all of that carbon is going to be re-emitted and compound the scale of the project massively.
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Every time someone action posts about how he thinks having children is the devil's work, the first thought through my head is "Good lord, I hope those assholes don't have children, now that would be living in hell"
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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suck my woke dick posted:kill all humans With a knife or woodcutting axe.
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Thug is a literate weirdo. Reading him is like reading perpetual motion patents.
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I don't have a simpler way to put it. I don't even know where to start addressing poo poo. I've passed you around before, Thug, as promised way back, and advice was along what I was already thinking: "Ignore him, he's weird," hence no on-topic, substantive response from me. You wouldn't have it, and I don't have the energy.
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Thug Lessons posted:It's not the point I'm making. You don't seem to be making a point at all, just trying to goad me with provocative questions while failing to quantify or explain anything. I can tell you this though: we're on a path to blow the carbon budget not by 40Gt CO2, but by hundreds or thousands of Gt CO2, entirely from anthropogenic sources. And that's if we meet the Paris goals, which we aren't likely to do. That is and will remain the overwhelming climate mitigation challenge, and overplaying the role of Arctic emissions serves only as a despair-inducing distraction from the need to cut carbon. OK bud
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Thug Lessons seems to say a lot while not saying anything at all.
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I'm 100% convinced that Thug Lessons is Arkanes alt or something at this point, for serious.
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Y'all should learn to handle a slightly different perspective without strangling yourself to death on your own pearls.
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nah he's his own man, very much a type, lots and lots of them too. the pedantic pragmatist who's always making GBS threads on your correct concern for not being technically correct. a mindset devoted to believing itself in favor of something and yet in practice always naysaying and well-poisoning it. the personification of an asterisk. fwiw I do appreciate bringing the numbers to the thread just as a pure form of time saving lazyness. I just wish your ratio of words to infographics was inverted. edit: reminds me of theblackwolf in 05 being like "if the casualty rate of the occupation is lower than saddam's then the invasion may yet turn out to be justified" StabbinHobo fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Mar 25, 2018 |
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"It was a dark and stormy night; the rain fell in torrents — except at occasional intervals, when it was checked by a violent gust of wind which swept up the streets (for it is in London that our scene lies), rattling along the housetops, and fiercely agitating the scanty flame of the lamps that struggled against the darkness."
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Nah numbers matter and if you want to try to divine outcomes without them you'll do little more than externalize your confirmation bias.
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That being said 40 Gt CO2e is a significant papercut in our 2C budget and there are numerous other papercuts that add up together. Regardless, permafrost is not some death button unless a complete state change that we haven't been modeling altogether shows up in force.
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Thug Lessons posted:Well, yes, because most of it gets absorbed into the ocean or the biosphere. That's not really good though. It causes ocean acidification and anoxia, and if we're going to do some sort of negative emissions scheme to get back below 350ppm all of that carbon is going to be re-emitted and compound the scale of the project massively. However, if it were all in the atmosphere, we would be increasing in temperature even faster.
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Realistically, you're gonna live your natural life in the first world, as long as you've got skills or money, regardless of what happens with climate change though. Hope you don't like nature though, you're gonna watch it all die painfully as you age as the oceans die and forests turn to ash.Evil_Greven posted:I didn't say it was good. Another one of StabbinHobo's asterisks. ::pushes up glasses:: ACTUALLY SIR, I was correct because ocean death ain't no thang. call to action fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Mar 26, 2018 |
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StabbinHobo posted:nah he's his own man, very much a type, lots and lots of them too. the pedantic pragmatist who's always making GBS threads on your correct concern for not being technically correct. please stop making GBS threads on my concerns for not being correct!
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call to action posted:Realistically, you're gonna live your natural life in the first world, as long as you've got skills or money, regardless of what happens with climate change though. Hope you don't like nature though, you're gonna watch it all die painfully as you age as the oceans die and forests turn to ash. Idk, I tend to think we're getting pretty close to the point where climate change will cause so much annual damage that it eats us from the rear end in a top hat (insurance companies) on up.
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call to action posted:Hope you don't like nature though, you're gonna watch it all die painfully as you age as the oceans die and forests turn to ash. Diving around coral reefs will be much less exciting.
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Positive tiny useless anecdote time! Cheer yourself an iota! Ignore the impending doom a bit! The bit of land I manage (south east uk) as one of my jobs is seeing a good year for bumblebees and other bees/small insects so far despite the previous cold snap, good encouragement to keep working on maintaining habitats for them.
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DesperateDan posted:Positive tiny useless anecdote time! Cheer yourself an iota! Ignore the impending doom a bit! I'm in the Didcot/Oxford area & have seen quite a few bumblebee's today 
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DaStampede posted:Diving around coral reefs will be much less exciting. It already is. The coral bleaching around most of the Hawaiian islands is extreme. While I'm sure oxybenzone-alikes in the water and assholes stepping on the coral don't help, the bleaching was very uniform and extended down to depths where dumbass snorkelers don't usually go. I don't mean to sound like a dramatic bitch but it made me very sad. Car Hater posted:Idk, I tend to think we're getting pretty close to the point where climate change will cause so much annual damage that it eats us from the rear end in a top hat (insurance companies) on up. This seems pretty likely when I think about it. You'd only really need enough drag on the economy to create a permanent recession, then couple that with the retirement and student loan crisis plus wide swaths of people's few remaining nest eggs becoming worthless. Fun times! call to action fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Mar 27, 2018 |
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You can just blame it on the
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call to action posted:It already is. The coral bleaching around most of the Hawaiian islands is extreme. While I'm sure oxybenzone-alikes in the water and assholes stepping on the coral don't help, the bleaching was very uniform and extended down to depths where dumbass snorkelers don't usually go. I don't mean to sound like a dramatic bitch but it made me very sad. Very upsetting to hear that about Hawaii.
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