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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:I think the problem here is that distant colonies will not lose *any* production by being distant. Why is that a problem? Distant colonies are already less efficient than nearby ones, since their systems cost more minerals and influence to claim. Plus your entire economy decentralized and hooked up with FTL communication, so it doesn't really make sense for the frontier to have a harder time accumulating minerals, since that's also where you're spending all your minerals, anyway.
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Descar posted:I also wish we could build more then one megastructure at once.
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Gyrotica posted:Honestly, I find my fun with mods that remove penalties for expanding. The curve is a bit too steep for my personal taste, particularly given that I have a bunch of crazy tradition/tech mods on. in short, you don't it seems that way because there is a delayed benefit for any sort of expansion, but an immediate penalty. a colonized planet must fill up with pops; a conquered planet must get over the happiness penalty for being conquered; and so on. ultimately though, raw production outweighs the penalties and a bigger empire is more powerful.
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darthbob88 posted:Same. I can accept that sufficiently skilled labor is going to be a bit scarce, but I control most of the galaxy, you'd think that there would be enough people to build two whole Dyson spheres. Make it follow the same sort of scaling as Titans, 1 megastructure per 2-3-400 fleet power, or maybe 1 per 400 pops. Just something so I don't have to wait for one ringworld section to finish building before I start another. I still can't fathom why they even went to the trouble of coding the limit in the first place. If you can afford to build two megastructures at once why limit that? The astronomical costs are already a very sufficient limiter.
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I just want O'Neill cylinders and Bernal spheres and Stanford tori.
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OwlFancier posted:Yes, they have signfiicantly better durability than normal missiles. Swarm Missiles have slightly less DPS, but they fire much faster, fly a lot faster and are harder to shoot down than normal missiles (and normal missiles have better tracking than torpedoes). Swarm Missiles for small ships, Torpedoes for big ships. Also on the Habitat influence cost increase, that makes perfect sense to me. Expanding costs influence, no matter how you do it: New systems cost influence to control with outposts, getting systems from an enemy costs influence with claims and creating new resources with a habitat costs influence. Habitats have a lot more resources than a planet-less system so they need to cost a lot more influence, especially since you are also creating those resources out of thin air and can put them in defensible locations. DatonKallandor fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Mar 26, 2018 |
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Mar 26, 2018 22:49
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Baronjutter posted:Civ (or at least the ones I've played, up to 4) I think handled this much better with their corruption mechanic. Guess what mechanic got dropped from Civ after Civ 4. You're right though, it was a good limiter on expansion.
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Gyrotica posted:In terms of vanilla: I don't have the numbers, so I can't say anything definitively, but it definitely feels like you hurt yourself more than you help yourself in terms of technology and unity by expanding now. You what I think would be a good UI change? Instead of showing your raw science output on the top bar, display your teching speed as a percentage of the base speed. So 7 points with no penalty is 100%. If you're still at 7 points but your costs are up 100%, you're at 50% speed. If you have no penalty but get up to 14 somehow, that's 200%. Etc. Factor in those global research speed bonuses as well, why not. Because, honestly, what the gently caress are those numbers on the top bar telling me? I'm producing 4.5k points of physics every month- is that good? Bad? It is a meaningless number. DatonKallandor posted:Also on the Habitat influence cost increase, that makes perfect sense to me. Expanding costs influence, no matter how you do it: New systems cost influence to control with outposts, getting systems from an enemy costs influence with claims and creating new resources with a habitat costs influence. Habitats have a lot more resources than a planet-less system so they need to cost a lot more influence, especially since you are also creating those resources out of thin air and can put them in defensible locations. Okay, sure- but 200 influence for 12 tiles? You have to pay minerals for them already, and burn a perk slot on them, and you get the full tech penalty for what is a pretty small planet. They were already a dubious proposition at 100 influence. KOGAHAZAN!! fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Mar 27, 2018 |
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After 330 hours I finally got the Horizon Signal chain. That was something.
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Considering Circle of Life was dependent on your taking Voidborn first I wonder if taking it is even worth burning the ascension slot any more. I guess it becomes extremely situational like a number of other options you can take but are then stuck with once the situation has been resolved. I mainly used habitats to fortify choke points with no planets I could settle since any enemies would be forced to stop and invade them to take full control of the system but outside of that there's not much use for them other than generating a ton of energy if you're in a pinch (and for whatever reason have a ton of minerals to spare). e: Zohar posted:After 330 hours I finally got the Horizon Signal chain. That was something.
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Mar 27, 2018 00:03
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Horizon Signal is easy to pop if you have more than one black hole.
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Solid patch notes. Getting ready to do a new game, just in time.
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Psychotic Weasel posted:I mainly used habitats to fortify choke points with no planets I could settle since any enemies would be forced to stop and invade them to take full control of the system but outside of that there's not much use for them other than generating a ton of energy if you're in a pinch (and for whatever reason have a ton of minerals to spare).
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:They took out being able to build the Warp-Preventing forts on Habitats, too. Yes, I noticed. But the AI (or whoever you're playing against) still needs to go through the process of invading every habitat in order to take control of the system proper. They can skip it after knocking out the station if they want by the system reverts back to you after the war if your enemy wins but didn't claim it. As a bonus the AI still sometimes gets hung up on trying to invade a planet when it cannot get armies over to it for whatever reason. Instead a fleet will just sit there bombing the place into an ever bigger pile of rubble, giving you time to rebuild or at least chase them down before they start wrecking other poo poo.
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Psychotic Weasel posted:Yes, I noticed. But the AI (or whoever you're playing against) still needs to go through the process of invading every habitat in order to take control of the system proper. They can skip it after knocking out the station if they want by the system reverts back to you after the war if your enemy wins but didn't claim it.
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Gort posted:Guess what mechanic got dropped from Civ after Civ 4. Civ 4 is the best Civ though
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Wafflecopper posted:Alpha Centauri is the best Civ though
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Send help, I cannot help but take Imperial Prerogative 
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Mar 27, 2018 02:26
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wiegieman posted:Horizon Signal is easy to pop if you have more than one black hole. I actually tried to do the trick with the science ship moving between black holes and never got it to fire, guess I was just really unlucky. Was worth it anyway for it to come up unexpectedly, and I'm playing a wannabe-forerunner Stargate-ish Egyptian empire atm so it seemed especially appropriate.
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Send help, I cannot help but take Imperial Prerogative As some one who loves playing around with my Barbie Dreamhouse Planets to make them just right (and wises Wiz would add more things to do with them *cough* *cough*) I used to love taking that perk, but since the change made to sectors some time ago that allowed you to manually interfere with each planet regardless of it being in your core sector or not I find it mostly pointless now. If a governor does something that offends my OCD I can just pop in and fix it without much fuss.
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Loving most of these changes, but what in the name of god happened to vassalization wars?! I'm fighting one now against a far smaller neighbor, with another neighboring vassal on my side and no allies for my opponent. I've destroyed every ship he owns, occupied every system, and taken most of his planets, and I still have a -350 acceptance on him becoming a vassal. I'm bombarding his last two planets down for a ground invasion now, but unless that -350 disappears with them, it doesn't seem like it's actually possible to win? Even getting up to 100% on war exhaustion- and god knows how long that'll take when he doesn't have any fleets left for me to beat- and a few more points on occupation will still leave me with 300ish points to go.
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Mar 27, 2018 02:39
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Each system (and possibly planet?) you have claimed but do not occupy in a war counts for -100 war score. Once you finish taking the last of his systems the score will change. You are demanding they hand over everything to you to control; you need to prove you're capable of grabbing what you want and make a point of crushing them utterly so they submit.
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Playing a multiplayer game with some friends, what are a few handy ways to cause Fun(TM) things to happen? Get synths, treat them like poo poo? Poke a FE?
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Is it a bug that the AI don't like attacking crisis strongholds or something? They won't go near this Unbidden portal despite our Federation having like 10x the fleet power they do (an awakened empire happen to have the exact same government I had so they liked me and joined my Federation). Doing it myself is well beyond my means, unless there happens to be a really good fleet composition that'll give me an edge with less numbers?
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Arrath posted:Playing a multiplayer game with some friends, what are a few handy ways to cause Fun(TM) things to happen? Planet Crack a Holy World. Hey if you shield a holy world so literally no one can touch it... is the FE pleased by this?
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When I go to design a new fleet, I hit the "new fleet" button in the manager, and then set its home base before I queue up the first ship. So in theory the new fleet should have its home base at Pepsi Station. But when I hit the reinforce button, the home base gets automatically reassigned to Coke Station in orbit around my homeworld. Is there a way to make the fleet manager stop doing this? It's kind of annoying to have to set the home base twice for no good reason.
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Psychotic Weasel posted:Each system (and possibly planet?) you have claimed but do not occupy in a war counts for -100 war score. Once you finish taking the last of his systems the score will change. Edit: Gonna try grabbing the last planets before I say this for sure, but it seems like something isn't working.
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If you hover the cursor over the peace button (to the far left) it will tell you exactly what is contributing to that score. The other buttons will do this, too, but Surrender and Status Quo won't help you much if you're trying to vassalize someone or do anything other than take their land.
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The tooltip or whatever for wars against purifier/swarm/deathbot types needs to be a bit clearer that you take everything you conquer even if you white peace out (and it says no border changes).
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DoubleNegative posted:When I go to design a new fleet, I hit the "new fleet" button in the manager, and then set its home base before I queue up the first ship. So in theory the new fleet should have its home base at Pepsi Station. But when I hit the reinforce button, the home base gets automatically reassigned to Coke Station in orbit around my homeworld.
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In an unrelated note I decided to use my recently freed up Ascension slot to finally try out building a colossus, since Circle of Life is now gone. My first neighbours were a somewhat distant Fanatical Purifier race of crab things I have wanted to deal with for a long time but didn't want their freak space crab race polluting my empire - even as slaves - so I tried out the Neutron Sweep on them since I did want their planets. I don't think we're going to be friends...  Ever.
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Psychotic Weasel posted:If you hover the cursor over the peace button (to the far left) it will tell you exactly what is contributing to that score. The other buttons will do this, too, but Surrender and Status Quo won't help you much if you're trying to vassalize someone or do anything other than take their land. Yeah, so after I took their last planet the last -250 or something disappeared, which makes sense but it seemed weird at the time. Like, with two unoccupied planets and no unoccupied systems (other than the two with the unoccupied planets, those were only partially occupied I guess) I still had -350 vassal acceptance. It all worked out, but that number seemed really large until it all instantly evaporated. By the way, now I'm facing -50 'at war' opinion maluses from both of the vassals I took through conquest. They've both accepted surrender and as far as I can tell no one is at war with anyone. Is there something I'm still supposed to do to clear that up?
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I'm going to have so much fun with this :> My writer finished the last events I wanted, this should be right up her alley too.  (obviously not done). I want tons more options and back and forth dialogue. Depending on your ethics could be friendly, or hostile.
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Psychotic Weasel posted:In an unrelated note I decided to use my recently freed up Ascension slot to finally try out building a colossus, since Circle of Life is now gone. My first neighbours were a somewhat distant Fanatical Purifier race of crab things I have wanted to deal with for a long time but didn't want their freak space crab race polluting my empire - even as slaves - so I tried out the Neutron Sweep on them since I did want their planets. I swept a pair of planets on a race, and it turns out not only do they not like it, everyone else is kinda upset about it too. I mean, is that really all that worse then my current system of bombing the planet for a long time, invading it and then forcing everyone off.
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Help me, goons.Libluini posted:To be fair, I had already stopped playing assimilators as soon as someone in this thread posted a link to a mod allowing peaceful coexistence with organics. No pampering, no borgification, just the ability to take in some random aliens without displacing, killing or otherwise harming them. Just what I wanted. I've reimplemented the Machines Coexist mod to fix some bugs it has (genetic tech never dropping, missing rights/policies, biological pops are always enslaved at game start). It's all working perfectly (as best I can tell), but I have one major problem: What can I call this civic? The mod above calls it "AI Integration" which is kinda lame, but my working name ("Machine Caretaker") is also boring as gently caress. What can I call this civic?
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GotLag posted:Help me, goons. since it's specifically a civic that gives you an organic species on your homeworld, maybe Creator Coexistence?
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That's a thought.
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CitizenKain posted:I swept a pair of planets on a race, and it turns out not only do they not like it, everyone else is kinda upset about it too. I mean, is that really all that worse then my current system of bombing the planet for a long time, invading it and then forcing everyone off. It's kinda like firebombing vs. the A-bomb.
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Seams posted:The tooltip or whatever for wars against purifier/swarm/deathbot types needs to be a bit clearer that you take everything you conquer even if you white peace out (and it says no border changes). It seems clear enough, there are no border changes from the situation as it stands when you make the peace, that's the hangup here. It's a status quo peace, not returning to ante belum. Plus can't you mouse over the option for the tooltip and see which systems exactly will change hands when the peace is made? AtomikKrab posted:Planet Crack a Holy World. I would, but the only FE are some observers, the rest got pushed out at gen cause I maxed the number of normal AI. Doh.
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GotLag posted:Help me, goons. TAKING ERRR JERRRBS
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