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Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Vargatron posted:

Is it even worth a VP's time to lecture a subordinate over $12?

It is to them because it makes them feel good.

And let's be honest here, when was the last time you knew a VP who had thoughts like "is this a good use of my time?"

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22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Penny-dickhead, pound foolish.

MC Fruit Stripe
Nov 26, 2002

around and around we go
Speaking of petty, which is the more petty reply? Because that's what I'm in favor of. $12 worth of pennies spread across the table, or physically throwing the money in their face? I guess the pennies are the better idea because you can claim ignorance - there's no active aggression.

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE

MC Fruit Stripe posted:

Speaking of petty, which is the more petty reply? Because that's what I'm in favor of. $12 worth of pennies spread across the table, or physically throwing the money in their face? I guess the pennies are the better idea because you can claim ignorance - there's no active aggression.

Why not do both? Get a huge jar of pennies and throw it at them! Maybe utilizing a catapult for maximum fun.

Vargatron
Apr 19, 2008

MRAZZLE DAZZLE


Ah yes of course, why didn't I think of the "moral high ground" maneuver.

I wonder if they would have given the same browbeating routine to an obese employee who busted out a $120 steak dinner on the reg.

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

Collateral Damage posted:

A lot of older games had boss keys. Some were seriously trying to make it look like you were working, other were more as a joke.

Best boss key screen:

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




The ad agency I worked at had a fun alcohol policy: no booze before 5;30 without manager approval. I'd spend most of my days wandering around with a clipboard hanging out, answering questions, and fixing minor stuff. It all got noted down. At 5:30 sharp I'd sit down at my desk, pour a glass of scotch, and turn those notes into (closed) tickets. That'd be 30-60 minutes a day of drinking and OT.

That, office dogs, and buddying up with the media buyers to get free sports tickets were about the only good things about that loving job.

Vargatron
Apr 19, 2008

MRAZZLE DAZZLE


Speaking of sports seats, I was literally the only hockey fan at my last job so I'd get free ice level seats to the local ECHL team every time a HR vendor visited. Like the HR assistant just handed me an envelope every few weeks with tix.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


Collateral Damage posted:

I'm not getting paid for my lunch hour so by definition it's not company time and I'll have a beer for lunch if I want to.

You do that, but from their point of view, they don’t want you to be intoxicated while on the clock, and you can’t guarantee that you’re 100% sober when you clock back in.

This is less of an issue for office workers, but is a huge safety and liability issue for any job site that has heavy machinery. Any corporate lawyer worth a drat is going to turn “a beer at lunch” into “he was drunk at work” in an accident case.

MC Fruit Stripe
Nov 26, 2002

around and around we go
This is also why, if you're asked when the last time you had a drink was by any sort of authority figure, your answer should include the word weeks.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


Yeah, and they absolutely do a drug/alcohol screen for any person on site if an accident happens for cases like this.

You could be the guy manning the parking garage gate a mile from the accident site but lose your job all the same.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.
If someone sends out a company wide email to inform people of something and also rick rolls them, is the penalty certain death?

Methanar
Sep 26, 2013

by the sex ghost
It should be.

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

Here's a new one for me, got an email from a "CLOUDIFICATION SPECIALIST" ... "I have gained my experience in automating & simplifying application cloudification from Desktop or "Lift & Shift" (IaaS) to Native cloud (PaaS), working with large enterprises and Gartner."

Kashuno
Oct 9, 2012

Where the hell is my SWORD?
Grimey Drawer

Sickening posted:

If someone sends out a company wide email to inform people of something and also rick rolls them, is the penalty certain death?

blacklist

MC Fruit Stripe
Nov 26, 2002

around and around we go
Cloudification lol

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


Buttification

MC Fruit Stripe
Nov 26, 2002

around and around we go
Holy poo poo I just got the same email!

Please allow me to shortly introduce myself.
My name is P.J O'ryan, I have gained my experience in automating & simplifying application cloudification from Desktop or "Lift & Shift" (IaaS) to Native cloud (PaaS), working with large enterprises and Gartner.
I am reaching out to invite you to read my new post: "Who's who in the Cloud zoo part 1" & connect to learn more on LinkedIn

We're all on the same bullshit spam list, it's fantastic.

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

MC Fruit Stripe posted:

Holy poo poo I just got the same email!

Please allow me to shortly introduce myself.
My name is P.J O'ryan, I have gained my experience in automating & simplifying application cloudification from Desktop or "Lift & Shift" (IaaS) to Native cloud (PaaS), working with large enterprises and Gartner.
I am reaching out to invite you to read my new post: "Who's who in the Cloud zoo part 1" & connect to learn more on LinkedIn

We're all on the same bullshit spam list, it's fantastic.

I just got a second copy. Probably one of my legacy email addresses

I foolishly signed up for a bunch of trade magazines (actually advertising magazines) over 15 years ago. Can't get away from the spam now. 1105 media is terrible.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

MC Fruit Stripe posted:

"Who's who in my Butt zoo part 1"
I am intrigued.

JehovahsWetness
Dec 9, 2005

bang that shit retarded

MC Fruit Stripe posted:

Cloudification lol

"Cloudification" is literally my team name @ work, everyone has "DevOps" somewhere in their title.

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

PJ has now emailed me 3 different times to 2 addresses for a total of 6 emails in less than an hour. Reported as spam and blocked.

ChubbyThePhat
Dec 22, 2006

Who nico nico needs anyone else
I also got one of these. What poo poo list have we ended up on?

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)
3rd rejection. This time I did 2 interviews and I really loving wanted this job. This loving sucks and I feel like crap.

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal

Matt Zerella posted:

3rd rejection. This time I did 2 interviews and I really loving wanted this job. This loving sucks and I feel like crap.

what city are you in?

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

Judge Schnoopy posted:

what city are you in?

NYC.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Be sure to ask what they thought your weakness was. Feedback is good.

Bald Stalin
Jul 11, 2004

Our posts
New employee handbook came out. It's company policy now that if you get drink too much or smoke weed the company will pay for transportation. So I expensed the Lyft I took after our booze and casino bay cruise the other week and it was approved. They don't mention the weed thing specifically in the handbook but I asked the SVP of HR what the company's stance was on it given it's completely legal in our state, and she said it's treated the same as alcohol. Saving that email in my 'keep' folder.

Zorak of Michigan
Jun 10, 2006


Internet Explorer posted:

And let's be honest here, when was the last time you knew a VP who had thoughts like "is this a good use of my time?"

Years ago, our org got overly-lean due to rapid growth and people quitting because they couldn't handle the pace. I was a line manager reporting to a sr mgr who reported directly to the CIO. You can imagine how busy the CIO was. He had this template he wanted people to fill out to help him evaluate spending proposals, and people kept screwing it up. (In their defense, it was not a simple form, and some of the people filling it out were completely unused to writing things up for C-level executives.) He finally got sick of it and said something like, "Looks, guys, you have three days with me on this visit. If you think the best use of your time with me is for me to tell you how to fill out this form, I will do that, but I was expecting to do more in the way of strategy and leadership." It was kind of passive aggressive but I remember liking the phrasing.

That guy was weird to work with. On the one hand, he was a ferociously hard worker and he had the entire company in his head. No notes, no prep, he could talk about any significant project that anyone in IT was working on, and he'd know why they were doing it and what scale of resources was involved. On the other hand, he was just bad at people stuff. Eventually he sort of apologized for his inability to respect people's off hours, but he never seemed to understand that as CIO, you can't expect people to push back and help you with boundaries the way you can as a line manager.

Peachfart
Jan 21, 2017

My first ITish job I had a per diem of 25/day, and I tipped heavily on my first trip, 25% or so but still overall under the per diem amount. When I got back I got in trouble because I tipped over 12% and my manager made me edit my receipts before I was allowed to reimburse them.

I wish I knew the power of 'No.' back then.

Bigass Moth
Mar 6, 2004

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.
:boom:
he knows...

Sickening posted:

If someone sends out a company wide email to inform people of something and also rick rolls them, is the penalty certain death?

I love that song so that person would become a friend of mine.

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


The Fool posted:

:same:

We're not supposed to even be in possession of alcohol on company property.

A number of our contracts prohibit it, and the powers that be just applied that policy to the entire company, no matter how removed you are from the job sites.

Meanwhile, we have a beer fridge at our Austin, TX office where I'm not.

NeuralSpark posted:

Most of the large tech companies do this as well. There was a stink made a few years back in CA about contractors being statutory employees because they were being treated like employees, getting lunch and attending holiday parties and the like. So now they are excluded lest someone sue.

Thank God the company I working at right now treats contractors like actual people.

Volguus posted:

Unless they're aware that their behaviour is what made you leave, from their point of view you were the one unreasonable. I mean, the way they see it is this: the company policy says to not do X and you did. Who's to blame here? All that other details (working 21 days straight, etc.) are just noise.

This.
That's the kind of thing I keep trying to convince my wife of. She'll just stop using a service, product, retailer, or whatever, and I tell her that it won't make any difference unless the entity involved *knows* that she's no longer using them and why.

Docjowles posted:

When traveling for work, we can expense up to $75/day for meals. So in practice this means everyone eats the cheapest poo poo possible for breakfast and lunch. Then we pool all our money for a baller dinner someplace nice, with room for several drinks apiece. We did this to great effect in Vegas last year.

Absolutely. Never had time for a big lunch anyway.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Peachfart posted:

My first ITish job I had a per diem of 25/day, and I tipped heavily on my first trip, 25% or so but still overall under the per diem amount. When I got back I got in trouble because I tipped over 12% and my manager made me edit my receipts before I was allowed to reimburse them.

I wish I knew the power of 'No.' back then.

Who the gently caress tips 12%? gently caress that person.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


Yeah, 12% is a bitch tip.

If you're not happy with the service, don't tip. If you are, tip appropriately.

MC Fruit Stripe
Nov 26, 2002

around and around we go
Calm down, friends. 15% of $25 is 3.75, and 12% is 3. You're not changing lives here.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Matt Zerella posted:

3rd rejection. This time I did 2 interviews and I really loving wanted this job. This loving sucks and I feel like crap.

I'm not saying you shouldn't examine your interview skills, resumes, cover letters, etc., but keep in mind that finding a job is--to a certain extent--roulette. You have to be lucky enough that they liked your resume, your cover letter, and your interview more than whoever else they happened to look at. It may not even be that another person was "better" than you, but that they just happened to not hit some pet peeve of the interviewer or something that you did, that they only found one spelling mistake in the other person's cover letter, but two in yours (even though theirs had five and yours only had two), that they were looking for someone with widget X skills specifically, and you've never even heard of widget X, or it's so obscure you didn't bother putting it on your resume and your interviewer wasn't the one making the hiring decision, so didn't ask you about it, or they really don't like Helvetica at the place you're applying and that's the font you chose to use, etc., etc., etc.

Definitely try to improve the things you can, but keep in mind that a huge portion of the job hunt is just completely outside your control, and there's absolutely nothing you can do about.

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
How can-ca-caaaaan I
help-p-p-p you?

MC Fruit Stripe posted:

Calm down, friends. 15% of $25 is 3.75, and 12% is 3. You're not changing lives here.

25%, not 15%. $5 vs $3, and it shows the server you gave a poo poo.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


MC Fruit Stripe posted:

Calm down, friends. 15% of $25 is 3.75, and 12% is 3. You're not changing lives here.

You should tip $5 on a $25 bill

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Yeah, but the baseline you tip is 20%. So $5 vs $3. I know when I was delivering pizza there was a big emotional difference between $3 and 5, and differences like that stack up over a night.

My favorite delivery was when I thought a couple of little girls (8-10 years old) had decided not to give me a tip, and then I guess their mom explained tipping or something. They biked over to the pizza shop to give me the tip. It was adorable.

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Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

Thanatosian posted:

I'm not saying you shouldn't examine your interview skills, resumes, cover letters, etc., but keep in mind that finding a job is--to a certain extent--roulette. You have to be lucky enough that they liked your resume, your cover letter, and your interview more than whoever else they happened to look at. It may not even be that another person was "better" than you, but that they just happened to not hit some pet peeve of the interviewer or something that you did, that they only found one spelling mistake in the other person's cover letter, but two in yours (even though theirs had five and yours only had two), that they were looking for someone with widget X skills specifically, and you've never even heard of widget X, or it's so obscure you didn't bother putting it on your resume and your interviewer wasn't the one making the hiring decision, so didn't ask you about it, or they really don't like Helvetica at the place you're applying and that's the font you chose to use, etc., etc., etc.

Definitely try to improve the things you can, but keep in mind that a huge portion of the job hunt is just completely outside your control, and there's absolutely nothing you can do about.

Thanks for this. It's legit helped.

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