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Ruzihm posted:The American revolution was the result class struggle between both the bourgeoisie and the masses of America vs. the nobility of great Britain. Basically the last nail in the casket for Feudalism in America. I wish this was in any way true
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dont even fink about it posted:I wish this was in any way true It's halfway true in that that's the line they pitched to the actual soldiers
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ikanreed posted:actual soldiers https://twitter.com/dril/status/732346442761834496
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dont even fink about it posted:I wish this was in any way true  its not to say that the bourgeois didn't turn around and stab the masses in the back afterwards but that's what happens when class collaboration against a common enemy doesn't have that enemy around anymore.
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Main Paineframe posted:the American revolution wasn't
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Are you making fun of me? I can't tell.
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Nebakenezzer posted:These students were raised with the idea that individual reason is downstream from group identity. Then along came the 2016 election to validate that point of view! If reason and deliberation are central to democracy, how on earth did Donald Trump get elected? drat that's good stuff. "The kids ask, if crusty old conservative white men are so wise, rational, and deliberative, why did we elect a boorish babbling moron celebrity President of the United States, well...um...hmm uhhh...well I'd love to explain it to them but alas their stunted child brains just wouldn't understand so unfortunately I don't need to even attempt to justify it."
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it would probably be more accurate to describe it as The American Secession
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new and exciting idea: why don’t we call it the american war of independence
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One from history, another typical NYTimes boner here, carrying water for the Bush administration; and not the post-9/11 bless the heroes Jesus Bush administration, this is mid 2006, AFTER it emerged that the administration had tricked the NYTimes into publishing bogus horseshit to lend credibility to the invasion, AFTER Iraq had become an obviously irredeemable gently caress-up, AFTER Katrina, the motherfucking New York Times is still going to edit publicly available information out of its articles in order to satisfy the tremendously vain, grouchy cocks in Bush administration and their petty, Freedom Fries style Orwellian fixations. and here is the poo poo 
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BBJoey posted:new and exciting idea: why don’t we call it the american war of independence It's the war of British aggression.
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if you want to post about american independence why don't you make a thread for it ffs
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Jose posted:if you want to post about american independence why don't you make a thread for it ffs u mad bro?
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make me IK of the failing new york times thread so i can probe ppl for posting about things beside the failing new york times and related failing fonts of establishment wisdom
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https://twitter.com/dentristcad/status/978260527158906880 e: oh wait i just noticed that this is just the plain ol' times instead of the new york times. sorry
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Decorum.... decorum never changes. I was interested in finding old articles that are just as bad as the ones today and ran across an old David Brooks article from July 6, 1854, on page 4:  *snip* in which the article references some event from the prior week it assumes the reader recalls, and says "We expect this from the House, but Senate, you're better than this!"  I tried to figure out what was so contentious in the Senate at the time, but couldn't. The front page article has an awful recitation of senate procedure--amendments, tabling bills, a canal, mail steamships. However, another front page article has Rep. Churchwell of Tennessee denying he pulled a gun on a Rep. Collum a week or two prior on the floor of the House, and producing cards from people saying they did not see it happen. The author of the article tries to say, as one might imagine an 1854 writer for the Times would, "Yeah, yeah, we were all there, and we all saw you do it." So if the Senate was starting to have guns pulled on the floor against other members, maybe the TImes was right to clutch its pearls.
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Tewdrig posted:Decorum.... decorum never changes. I'd love to see their take on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_of_Charles_Sumner
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this is a murdoch paper https://twitter.com/hannahw253/status/978526113101221888
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Jose posted:this is a murdoch paper 
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WaPo published an opinion piece saying "don't regulate Facebook" the author of that opinion piece is a billionaire media CEO who owns two online news sites and one social media advertising company, is a former head of Facebook's board of directors (and former owner of the Washington Post), owns millions of dollars worth of FB stock, is a close personal friend of Zucky Zuck, and his daughter is currently employed by Zuckerberg's personal company 
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there really needs to be some sort of browser extension or something that just surfaces that stuff to the forefront before the text of any propaganda editorial
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Tewdrig posted:I tried to figure out what was so contentious in the Senate at the time, but couldn't. The front page article has an awful recitation of senate procedure--amendments, tabling bills, a canal, mail steamships. However, another front page article has Rep. Churchwell of Tennessee denying he pulled a gun on a Rep. Collum a week or two prior on the floor of the House, and producing cards from people saying they did not see it happen. The author of the article tries to say, as one might imagine an 1854 writer for the Times would, "Yeah, yeah, we were all there, and we all saw you do it." So if the Senate was starting to have guns pulled on the floor against other members, maybe the TImes was right to clutch its pearls. Reading about American politics in this era is pretty interesting. Slavery was increasingly driving the nation apart, and the political class was obsessed with compromise. All the while, it was becoming obvious to everyone outside the political class that the whole compromise thing - really was not working. The south's political position was much like the NRA today; that even talk of reigning in slavery was to be met with hysteria. Lincoln was part of a group that realized the compromise was unworkable, and caused much pearl-clutching by being open about this. Lincoln's position was that slavery must end - he didn't have a concrete plan, but the South threatened to leave the union anyway if Lincoln was elected.
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lincoln showed some drat good backbone re: the crittenden compromise, which would have secured slavery below the 36'30 permanently for everything in the nation at the time, and everything acquired thereafter so he was like "don't vote yes on this; if we surrender, it will be the end of us. not six months will pass before they demand we seize cuba as terms for staying in the union."
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:lincoln showed some drat good backbone re: the crittenden compromise, which would have secured slavery below the 36'30 permanently for everything in the nation at the time, and everything acquired thereafter quote:The compromise included a clause that it could not be repealed or amended. 
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Main Paineframe posted:WaPo published an opinion piece saying "don't regulate Facebook"
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whoops https://twitter.com/theintercept/status/978635023959166978
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the failing intercept
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good piece by sarah jones on the atlantic’s hiring of large adult vampire kevin d williamson https://twitter.com/onesarahjones/status/978685764925116416
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:good piece by sarah jones on the atlantic’s hiring of large adult vampire kevin d williamson Remember how the Hillary campaign tried to elevate Trump because they thought he'd be the easiest to beat?
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Remember how the Hillary campaign tried to elevate Trump because they thought he'd be the easiest to beat? TBH I'm not sure she was wrong It's just she overestimated her own competence by an order of magnitude
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Nebakenezzer posted:TBH I'm not sure she was wrong yeah any of the other republicans would have won by more e: probably not carly actually
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the bitcoin of weed posted:yeah any of the other republicans would have won by more i dunno. sure carly was literally mitt romney and would have lost bigly (just like romney did) to any democrat who just said "look at this rear end in a top hat, she's your boss, the bean-counting rear end in a top hat who laid your uncle off after he got cancer." but hillary was too dumb to go with that strategy against trump, who it applied to almost as much as it did to mitt and carly
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:isn't he like an op/ed writer, and not a journalist No, he was one of the main reporters on the Tianmen Square protests along with his wife Sheryl WuDunn. They won a Pulitzer for it. Really though, WuDunn did most of the important work and Kristof was just along for the ride, as demonstrated by his lovely writing after WuDunn went into finance. Minecraft Holmes posted:https://twitter.com/AlexYablon/status/978661767692857344 The beautiful idelogy that binds all Americans together is...violent paranoia. Well, when he's right, he's right. pospysyl has issued a correction as of 23:36 on Mar 27, 2018 |
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Jose posted:this is a murdoch paper are those people public figures or are these just randos that the sun is openly harassing
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the bitcoin of weed posted:yeah any of the other republicans would have won by more I don't think so - Trump won the Republican primaries because he was offering different things than the other GOP politicians, and if the GOP base wasn't catching Jeb!-fever it's extremely unlikely that the general voting population would have been more enthused Trump was a political outsider who was promising to be strong daddy and make your life materially better by getting good deals and stopping all the foreigners from leeching your tax money and depressing your wages - it was dumb as poo poo, but if you hated the status quo you can see how he'd be a "mystery brick" through the window of politics as usual, something a more standard GOP suit who was huffing the farts of movement conservatism wouldn't offer
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Shear Modulus posted:i dunno. sure carly was literally mitt romney and would have lost bigly (just like romney did) to any democrat who just said "look at this rear end in a top hat, she's your boss, the bean-counting rear end in a top hat who laid your uncle off after he got cancer." but hillary was too dumb to go with that strategy against trump, who it applied to almost as much as it did to mitt and carly I think too that Trump was such a rube by the shadow-play MSM rules that previous elections judged "serious" candidates by that she completely discounted him Ironically a shitheel candidate that tried to tow the line Re shadowplay she might have seen as a greater threat pospysyl posted:The beautiful idelogy that binds all Americans together is...violent paranoia. Well, when he's right, he's right. Honestly the times David Brooks is right is sorta interesting, because he writes it either half-jokingly "If reason and deliberation are central to democracy, how on earth did Donald Trump get elected?" Or they are kernals of truth like the one above, which are kernals that are biproducts of Brooks making GBS threads that he is unaware of NYT Editorial - Abraham Lincoln is too divisive, hates reason and debate quote:I am not a Know-Nothing. That is certain. How could I be? How can any one who abhors the oppression of negroes, be in favor of degrading classes of white people? Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we begin by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes." When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty-to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy.
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