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Ainz: (I have simply winged through my goals all this time) Everyone else: SASUGA AINZ SAMA~
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I am shocked at how much better this show got during this season. It's still trash but it is much better trash than the first season.
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Mar 27, 2018 20:11
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Terrible Opinions posted:I am shocked at how much better this show got during this season. It's still trash but it is much better trash than the first season. The 3 episode Shalltear fight really dragged down the first season.
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Mar 28, 2018 00:50
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Also the strength of the novel is the world and side characters because the worldbuilding is far more elaborate than the plot which is probably a good thing since plots are a lot harder. That said it does a far better job having a deep and wide variety of interesting characters than 99% of web-novels/light novels. You can tell because most of the good stuff talked about in this thread fall along those lines and fights are generally pretty boring beyond what they mean in that world.
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Mar 28, 2018 01:09
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AtomikKrab posted:Note the world ainz comes from is not contempory, this is set in like 2135 or something? world is apparently a hellscape from humans loving poo poo up and everyone lives in arcologies because you need significant life support equipment to go outside or something. whaaat where was this revealed?
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Mar 28, 2018 01:26
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Harry posted:The 3 episode Shalltear fight really dragged down the first season.
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Mar 28, 2018 01:29
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Terrible Opinions posted:And the whole pretending to be an adventurer story. Really most of the first season was dragged down by boring bullshit. well, that's what the books it adapted were about.
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Mar 28, 2018 01:32
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Xun posted:whaaat where was this revealed? According to the wiki, "an Overlord Special pertaining to the World of 2138 was released with volume three of the manga series." See here for more information. It's a dystopian corporate hellhole where basically all living things are dead except those in domed arcologies , everyone except the uber-rich are only educated to elementary school level before being worked until they die.
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Mar 28, 2018 01:38
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Terrible Opinions posted:And the whole pretending to be an adventurer story. Really most of the first season was dragged down by boring bullshit. It wasn't incredibly compelling, but it did some world building and set the scenery. If it was 3 more episodes of it instead of Shalltear it would have been bad though.
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Mar 28, 2018 01:40
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Boring world building is bad world building. gimme the GOD drat candy posted:well, that's what the books it adapted were about.
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Mar 28, 2018 02:45
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If nothing else the creep face on the princess is some good poo poo.
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Mar 28, 2018 03:19
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Jymmybob posted:Also the strength of the novel is the world and side characters because the worldbuilding is far more elaborate than the plot which is probably a good thing since plots are a lot harder. That said it does a far better job having a deep and wide variety of interesting characters than 99% of web-novels/light novels. The fights are generally pretty boring because the outcome is almost never, ever in doubt, so the fight basically boils down to "how long is the person from Nazarick going to toy with their doomed opponent before instakilling them", which is not compelling at all. The Entoma fight is a notable exception to this and is one of the better fights in the story because of it, at least; it was plausible that the Blue Roses could actually beat her and she's a minor enough character that her death or loss wouldn't have derailed everything like Ainz losing to Shalltear would have, so there was actually an element of uncertainty to it. I'll always like Ainz vs Shalltear because it's one of the nerdiest fights ever animated, even if it's not particularly suspenseful. It's almost literally an epic level D&D wizard casting every single buff and contingency spell in the universe on himself to survive long enough to trigger a ridiculously stupid plan that is ultimately reliant on a cash shop item.
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Mar 28, 2018 03:24
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Ainz vs. Shalltear was better in the manga ironically for it's lack of motion. It's a very talky fight that's mostly held up by figuring out what all the spells cast do and the mind games that they play on each other. Meanwhile Sebas vs. everything actually gains something by being translated into motion shots.
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Mar 28, 2018 03:50
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I don't know about you guys but all of this worldbuilding/politics/short decisive action is perfect for me.
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Mar 28, 2018 04:12
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Also I must say Succulant is lucky. He was beaten twice and not killed.
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Mar 28, 2018 04:13
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AtomikKrab posted:If nothing else the creep face on the princess is some good poo poo. i like how non-generic she is
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Mar 28, 2018 05:43
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Terrible Opinions posted:Boring world building is bad world building. if you rewrite a story right from the start you have to keep writing it for as long as the adaptation lasts. just accept that overlord is never going to be exactly what you want, because it disappoints everyone eventually.
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Mar 28, 2018 06:05
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Kanos posted:The fights are generally pretty boring because the outcome is almost never, ever in doubt, so the fight basically boils down to "how long is Kenshiro going to toy with their doomed opponent before instakilling them", which is not compelling at all. Stop looking for compelling in your power fantasy media. If you don't think seeing some rear end in a top hat's heart explode and heads being punched off is entertaining maybe you should try Record of Lodoss War or something for your not-D&D fix.
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Record of Lodoss War is D&D though. AD&D, specifically. Slayers is also compelling good D&D fun, which I also recommend. It also got a d20 release, which seems fun if you want to mix D&D with 90's anime comedy.
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Mar 28, 2018 13:34
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EponymousMrYar posted:Meanwhile Sebas vs. everything actually gains something by being translated into motion shots. I got a good laugh out of Sebas using his foot for some reason this time instead of just exploding another skull.
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Mar 28, 2018 15:23
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Guyver posted:Stop looking for compelling in your power fantasy media. If you don't think seeing some rear end in a top hat's heart explode and heads being punched off is entertaining maybe you should try Record of Lodoss War or something for your not-D&D fix. "Stop looking for things to be well-written and interesting in [x genre], that's not how it works" is a weird outlook. Both the original Star Wars trilogy and the prequel trilogy are pulp science fantasy in the exact same setting, but most people will tell you that the original trilogy is really good and the prequels are really bad. Should you tell them "Stop looking for memorable characters and compelling adventure in your science fantasy media, if you don't think Jedi waving lightsabers around and CGI battle droids dying by the thousands is entertaining maybe you should try Star Trek or something"? Fist of the North Star is a fabulously bad counter-example. There are a number of fights in Fist of the North Star where Kenshiro is seriously pushed, and at least one where he is outright defeated. Him murdering all the dumb bandits he meets is always a given, but the major antagonists are serious threats. On top of this, FotNS goes to great lengths to try to establish emotional weight as a backdrop to showdowns with major antagonists, so even in fights which aren't serious challenges for Kenshiro there's a lot of viewer/reader investment. Jagi never stands a goddamn chance against Kenshiro but the fight is a huge climax of the show because Jagi is an enormous presence in Kenshiro's past and has had a defining effect on Kenshiro's life. Additionally, every major antagonist Kenshiro fights leaves their mark on him and changes him in some way, to the point where the great climax of the show involves Kenshiro achieving the apotheosis of his martial art because of the emotions that have been stamped on him by his many battles. Overlord doesn't do this. Almost all of the "Nazarick vs X" fights feature a selected overpowered godmonster from Nazarick facing off against a paper-thin caricature villain whose primary defining character trait is thinking they're a bigger deal than they are(Clementine/Khajit, the Six Arms). This is valuable initially; the massacre of the Slaine theocracy dudes helps to establish where Ainz and company stand in relation to the new world, establishes Carne Village as a Nazarick protectorate, and introduces Ainz to Gazef which is the beginning of Nazarick influencing the new world's politics. The problem is that this pattern begins to repeat for no narrative purpose. We understand by this point that Ainz is both monstrously powerful and stuck somewhere between evil and oblivious, so additional scenes devoted solely to proving it are largely pointless. There's a reason why the Workers arc from the novel seems to be universally detested, and that's because it's literally just torture/murder porn about how evil and powerful Nazarick is with no actual purpose. Overlord definitely has some interesting fights when this formula is twisted in some way. Ainz vs Shalltear is interesting because it's a demonstration of what it looks like when someone from Nazarick is forced to go all out against an equal or superior foe; it helps contextualize most of the other conflicts and emphasize the power gap in the setting. The Lizardmen vs the Undead and the Lizardmen vs Cocytus are interesting because they spend a lot of time building up the Lizardmen characters and attaching the viewer to them, and the resolution of the arc means that the time spent with the lizardmen will potentially be valuable later in the story. Entoma vs the Blue Roses is interesting because it's the first time someone from Nazarick is running into opponents who can feasibly win and it's plausible that either side could take it. A piece of media being schlocky power fantasy and being compelling are not mutually exclusive.
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There are four fights in the first part of HnK where Kenshiro doesn't just steam roll someone. Shin, Souther, Raoh and Raoh again. Four fights; three people. So that's what one every five volumes? How long is Overlord?
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Mar 28, 2018 18:18
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Guyver posted:There are four fights in the first part of HnK where Kenshiro doesn't just steam roll someone. Shin, Souther, Raoh and Raoh again. Four fights; three people. So that's what one every five volumes? How long is Overlord?
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Mar 28, 2018 18:35
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HnK is the worst thing to compare a slow anime to considering it was at about this point 24 episodes into HnK that Ken fought Shin for the final time.
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90% of fist of the north star is kenshiro exploding mad max jobbers and it rules hard not saying it's a good comparison since it's also way faster-paced but still
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After catching up on the show after a busy few weeks, I have to wonder what will happen when Ains meets the real creepy broken princess. As leaders Ains just makes a general plan and wings it, and the princess likes to plan out to the minor details
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Mar 31, 2018 06:16
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In his head he's gonna be like yikes but outwardly he'll try and play it cool only to cause a misunderstanding that results in a snuff film.
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Stevefin posted:After catching up on the show after a busy few weeks, I have to wonder what will happen when Ains meets the real creepy broken princess. As leaders Ains just makes a general plan and wings it, and the princess likes to plan out to the minor details He should send Albedo to talk to her, they can bond in their yandere-ness
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Mar 31, 2018 14:32
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Mar 31, 2018 15:47
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I'm amused that their Raise Dead spell is very close to the Wizardy version of the spell (instead of the D&D version). They're both 5th tier spells, and if they fail the target is turned to ash (and thus need a 7th tier Resurrection to bring back).
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Mar 31, 2018 22:04
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https://youtu.be/oRT-UGOh1B8 Season 3 this summer
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Fat_Cow posted:https://youtu.be/oRT-UGOh1B8 Goat screams. How cheeky.
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Apr 3, 2018 17:29
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Fat_Cow posted:https://youtu.be/oRT-UGOh1B8
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JamMasterJim posted:Goat screams. at least we know what point that season's ending on now
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Anyway season 2 finale came out. I like Brain and how proud he was about being able to cut Shalltears nail when he could not do that before.
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I think everyone is happy in this ending except the criminal organization and Ainz who is still making GBS threads his pants inside his head.
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Apr 3, 2018 20:19
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His internal monologue does make it seem like he's okay with killing people, so I dunno how outraged he'd be at Demiurges sheep farm.
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Oh god they're doing Magic Caster of Destroy. The sound FX department is going to have to work overtime.
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Kanos posted:There's a reason why the Workers arc from the novel seems to be universally detested, and that's because it's literally just torture/murder porn about how evil and powerful Nazarick is with no actual purpose. Speaking of that arc/novel, does the rest of the series continue in that vein or does it change? Because after I finished the volume that had that arc in it, I put down the series and haven't picked it back up since as you say, it was literally just torture porn with no other purpose. Just wondering if it's worth continuing to read the series or not before the apparently 3rd season comes out.
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