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Azran posted:Having no money is my bane in this game. Several Mementos request bosses are vulnerable to Panic/Confusion. If you inflict them with it, they will throw massive amounts of money at you, depending on the Luck stat of Joker's currently equipped Persona. Get yourself some kind of SP regeneration and watch the money come rolling in.
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Mar 27, 2018 11:50
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I don't think you ever have to pay the fine. I imagine it's to stop you getting hosed over by Morgana forcing you to go to sleep or other story fuckery preventing you from getting it back on time
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Mar 27, 2018 11:51
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screaden posted:I don't think you ever have to pay the fine. I imagine it's to stop you getting hosed over by Morgana forcing you to go to sleep or other story fuckery preventing you from getting it back on time That, or to make it so that you don't accidentally get all your cash sucked down to zero so you don't have train fare. I know it doesn't take cash to go to Shibuya, but I think that would be the only instance in the entire game of you losing money without agreeing to it. Also, Merciless mode is starting to get sort of annoying. Dungeons are fine, but both the fifth and sixth palace bosses have moves that are guaranteed instakills and can't be reflected, so boss fights have a really heavy amount of RNG to them, which double blows because both of those boss fights ALSO have obnoxiously long not-fights leading up to the actual boss that you have to repeat every time you wipe. I spent maybe two hours on the casino boss and still haven't beaten it, gonna go to bed and try again tomorrow.
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Mar 27, 2018 12:19
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screaden posted:I don't think you ever have to pay the fine. I imagine it's to stop you getting hosed over by Morgana forcing you to go to sleep or other story fuckery preventing you from getting it back on time I mean, libraries usually have late fees too (maybe not a school one though), but there were plenty of times I checked out books from the Shujin library and completely forgot about them. 
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Mar 27, 2018 12:38
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I just started Persona 4 Golden and just want to say that Teddie is way worse than Morgana as early game navigators go, and also Nanako is the best and the fact that I wasn't courageous enough to stand up for her to Dojima is some bullshit  I wish P5 had a proper younger sibling confidant (I don't really count Futaba since she's basically as old as you and the arcade kid is eh), the time spent with Nanako and your friends is easily my favorite parts of this game so far. She's just so happy to spend time with her big bro. It's interesting how different this game is from P5. I guess...what, ten whole drat years of development will do that? I like that this game seems to place more emphasis on tarot cards, though I definitely prefer the negotiation mechanic in 5 to the RNG Persona roulette. I didn't think I would dig the dungeons in this game being basically Mementos but it's alright so far, having better-ish music helps and the fact that there's an actual story involved makes the randomness easier to swallow. My PSTV seems to have access the whole drat series, including 1 and 2. I imagine they're a bit...aged, but are they worth a playthrough? I'm reading the P3 LP so I don't really need to play that one I guess.
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Mar 27, 2018 14:10
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P1/2 are pretty different as far as gameplay goes. No SLs and there's quite a lot of gameplay differences, although the basics are all still there.
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Mar 27, 2018 14:22
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For Persona 1, PeaceDiner did an LP if you're fine with that. It didn't finish overall, but did get through the SEBEC route at least (which is the "main" storyline). He just sorta stopped working on it midway through the Snow Queen route. It was pretty dang good, and I'd probably recommend it if you don't wanna deal with playing it yourself since it can definitely show its age in places.
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Mar 27, 2018 14:27
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Instant Grat posted:Several Mementos request bosses are vulnerable to Panic/Confusion. If you inflict them with it, they will throw massive amounts of money at you, depending on the Luck stat of Joker's currently equipped Persona. Get yourself some kind of SP regeneration and watch the money come rolling in. Did this the other day. Now I'm balling hard and treating my plant to the mega nutrients it deserves.
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Mar 27, 2018 14:44
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With a Persona with high enough Luck, they'll potentially be throwing more than 100k at you at a time, and every turn they spend Panicked there's a 1/3 chance of them throwing money. P4 had golden hands, P5 has Mementos bosses... did P3 have a quick'n'easy way to rake up ridiculous cash too?
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Mar 27, 2018 14:48
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Instant Grat posted:did P3 have a quick'n'easy way to rake up ridiculous cash too? Golden Hand coins, a whole slew of other items that exist just to be sold, chests in Tartarus give a ton more Yen than you'll ever need, Suit of Coins minor arcana in Shuffle Time, everything being pretty drat cheap (except the lategame compendium on Hard)... Oh and Portable straight up doubled the selling prices for a whole buncha poo poo for good measure.
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Mar 27, 2018 14:52
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I never really had any money issues in P5, maybe after I started the Fortune confidant but that was all really. I did a Mementos run afterwards and was rolling in cash again.
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Mar 27, 2018 15:00
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Money can be really tight in P5 early on, especially if you're trying to do Palaces in as few days as possible and ignoring Mementos until you build a stack of requests. Once you get the SP restoring accessory that ceases to be an issue for basically everyone though.
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Mar 27, 2018 15:44
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P3P throws money at you like nobody's business
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Mar 27, 2018 15:48
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I was always confused when people talked about having money trouble in P5. I think maybe that's a result of people buying gear all the time? I'm still using everyone's default guns in November because gun's aren't really supposed to be for damage, they're about exploiting weaknesses to trigger All Outs, and Melee weapons don't increase the damage of skills so I only invest if they're reasonable number boosts. Realistically, I only get a new weapon if the number value is like a 40-point jump and never buy guns, but I can totally see having money problems if you were constantly buying new gear. Once you hit the fifth palace you can negotiate for like 20k Yen from multiple enemies, so even without the mementos confusion that's basically the end of money trouble. Also, when the game first came out I saw a lot of misinformation about Futaba's age and people saying she's a middle-schooler, but she's the same age as the MC. She says that her mom and Sojiro took her to get sushi to celebrate graduating middle school, and her mom died two years before the game started, so she would have been in the same grade as the MC/Ryuji/Ann if she hadn't dropped out.
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Mar 27, 2018 22:28
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:Also, when the game first came out I saw a lot of misinformation about Futaba's age and people saying she's a middle-schooler, but she's the same age as the MC. She says that her mom and Sojiro took her to get sushi to celebrate graduating middle school, and her mom died two years before the game started, so she would have been in the same grade as the MC/Ryuji/Ann if she hadn't dropped out. No, the sushi trip was to celebrate her getting into middle school.
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Mar 27, 2018 22:35
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I ran out of money a few times in P5; Once or twice during Kaneshiro's palace, ironically. I think I also ran out after making Set with High Counter and immediately fusing Satan (whom I dumped because Diamond Dust, Riot Gun, Psycho Force and Black Viper aren't good enough to justify suboptimal fusion chains!) and a final time in the last dungeon after making a full charge crit Michael. I could have farmed the Mara for money to make Metatron I guess, but I just wanted to finish the game since I feel the final act was kinda dragging.BlackFrost posted:I just started Persona 4 Golden and just want to say that Teddie is way worse than Morgana as early game navigators go, and also Nanako is the best and the fact that I wasn't courageous enough to stand up for her to Dojima is some bullshit Persona 0/SMT IF is neat if only because it's the only Persona game that has a canonical female protagonist; Tamaki, the heroine, is a party member in Persona 2. Persona 1 was interesting, but you need to not play the original NA version that butchered the script and completely cut out the Snow Queen quest. Persona 2:   Persona 3 classic is alright. FES is also alright. Portable is my favorite Persona game, edging out P5 by a very little bit. I'd love for it to have it's umpteenth remake and get a remaster of P3P that shook up the pacing a bit. I'm extremly biased because Aigis was my first crush that wasn't on a boy when I was 10 or so  Nothing against the FES LP or anything, but I highly suggest you check out Feinne's archived P3P LP, just because the female MC's social links are so much better. Since this is sorta being the general Persona thread more than the SMT thread is: Replaying Persona 2, I really wish Nyarthalotep would show up again. (P5 final dungeon spoiler) I'm surprised Yaldabaoth wasn't explicitly a minion of his; Don't they even share the black butterfly motif, or does Yaldabaoth not have that and I'm just misremembering? I wonder if they'll continue the colour motif and have Persona 6 be green and greed themed. Pablo Nergigante posted:P3P throws money at you like nobody's business The compendium is INSANELY expensive so even getting hundreds of thousands of yen from chests and shuffle time you'll run out if you want to start optimizing, though. Dragonatrix posted:Golden Hand coins, a whole slew of other items that exist just to be sold, chests in Tartarus give a ton more Yen than you'll ever need, Suit of Coins minor arcana in Shuffle Time, everything being pretty drat cheap (except the lategame compendium on Hard)... Honestly I still have no idea how to properly hunt gold shadows. They have a 360 degree vision radius and they always get advantage. I have yet to get a lead medal for Elizabeth. Cuntellectual fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Mar 28, 2018 |
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Mar 28, 2018 00:55
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Cuntellectual posted:Honestly I still have no idea how to properly hunt gold shadows. They have a 360 degree vision radius and they always get advantage. I have yet to get a lead medal for Elizabeth. The best way to hunt the gold shadows is, once you find them, to back out to where you can't see them on the minimap anymore and have your team spread out and search the floor themselves. They won't run from your teammates, so once one of your party members gets into a fight with it, recall everyone so they rejoin you and then join the skirmish your teammate is having. Sometimes you'll get unlucky and they'll run away on the first turn, but P3P seems to have a really high rate of having those floors where only treasure hands appear, so it's pretty easy to get the needed medals at that point. Also I agree, the compendium prices are ridiculous in the postgame and really limit how wild you can go with fusion. Surprisingly though, Im playing Merciless and the P5 compendium is totally usable once you get to the midgame where you're making money hand over foot. The thing that made me super upset on my first playthrough was that I didn't max Strength, not knowing it allowed you to remove the fusion level cap, but once you enter the final final dungeon Strength gets permanently locked off, so if I wanted to see any of the level 70+ Personas I was gonna have to grind out all those levels and all that cash, but entering that dungeon ALSO locks you out from fighting the Reaper who is the best source of both EXP AND Money in the game. Also, I'm at the very very end of November and the only Social Links I have left are Strength (can't do because my level isn't high enough to fuse Bugs/Seth), Empress at 7, Hanged at 7, and Tower at 8. I'm gonna make it my dudes. Currently in Mementos doing a few loose missions and unlocking Tower 9. BlackFrost posted:I just started Persona 4 Golden and just want to say that Teddie is way worse than Morgana as early game navigators go If you think Teddie is bad now I am sending you all of my prayers and thoughts
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Mar 28, 2018 01:20
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It's really goofy that Kakoi Kazuishi gives you a 100% escape chance from fights you're ambushed in but you still have to rely on luck until you get Touryou.
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Mar 28, 2018 01:52
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I finally finished P5 tonight, what a ride! Some ending thoughts: gently caress Akechi, that little ratfucker 10/10 will play NG+ some day, after a long break from gaming
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Mar 28, 2018 02:14
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Its been a couple months since I finished the game and I'm still humming the music.
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Mar 28, 2018 02:53
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Gooooooood dammit, I made a save right at the tail end of November so I could reload and do all the achievements like catching the Guardian, which I did, and beating all games, which I did, but because you can't trade out any books from the library in December I'm one book away from the achievement and would need to do a third playthrough to get it. I know exactly which one it is, too.
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Mar 28, 2018 04:07
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Cinnamon Bear posted:Its been a couple months since I finished the game and I'm still humming the music. I don't think the battle theme for this game will leave my head for a long, long time. I'm okay with that because it's a wonderful song.
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Mar 28, 2018 05:27
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thanks alot assbag posted:I don't think the battle theme for this game will leave my head for a long, long time. I'm okay with that because it's a wonderful song. I can't get Rivers in the Desert out of my head.
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Mar 28, 2018 11:37
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Hunter Noventa posted:I can't get Rivers in the Desert out of my head. It's a good song, but still only the second best Persona final-ish boss theme. thanks alot assbag posted:I don't think the battle theme for this game will leave my head for a long, long time. I'm okay with that because it's a wonderful song. I wish I could get the first few bars out because that's all you ever hear! Better than the Mementos theme. Christ.
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Mar 28, 2018 11:45
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The Mementos music owns. Jazzy organs rule
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Mar 28, 2018 11:51
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:If you think Teddie is bad now I am sending you all of my prayers and thoughts Hunter Noventa posted:I can't get Rivers in the Desert out of my head. The back half of the game has such good music, I love the themes for the 6th and 7th Palaces. Cuntellectual posted:I wish I could get the first few bars out because that's all you ever hear!
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Mar 28, 2018 12:08
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The song that plays when you activate the lunch break timer in the 5th palace was criminally underused and I wish I knew what it was called.
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Mar 28, 2018 12:17
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Cuntellectual posted:The song that plays when you activate the lunch break timer in the 5th palace was criminally underused and I wish I knew what it was called.
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Mar 28, 2018 12:25
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Cuntellectual posted:It's a good song, but still only the second best Persona final-ish boss theme. Nah it's the best one
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Mar 28, 2018 14:17
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:Gooooooood dammit, I made a save right at the tail end of November so I could reload and do all the achievements like catching the Guardian, which I did, and beating all games, which I did, but because you can't trade out any books from the library in December I'm one book away from the achievement and would need to do a third playthrough to get it. I know exactly which one it is, too. Happened to me (first playthrough though) One of the best advice I can just give anyone here is that if you're doing a second playthrough for trophies, just look up the p5 perfect playthrough guide and follow it. It'll get you exactly what you need. Also you're gonna hate knowing this but I'm like 90% sure you have to read all books in one playthrough. You can't just read what you're missing from your last playthrough.
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Mar 28, 2018 14:27
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Instant Grat posted:The Mementos music owns. Jazzy organs rule  Something that occurred to me the other day: do they ever elaborate on how Sojiro came to be Joker's guardian? I recall there being a line where he says he knows Joker's parents or something, but I'm wondering if I'm misremembering. They also don't really seem to define what his previous job was where he knew Wakaba and Shido. Max Wilco fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Mar 28, 2018 |
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Mar 28, 2018 15:46
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Neither of those things are defined. Sojiro just says he heard about Joker through a friend of Joker's parents and took him in because Joker reminds Sojiro of what he himself used to be like when he was young. He worked with Wakaba during the course of his former job but we're never told what this was though it was likely something black box program oriented considering the nature of her work.
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Mar 28, 2018 15:52
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When I need to just focus and bang out some stuff at work my go to is still the 4th Palace's music.
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Mar 28, 2018 16:11
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:If you think Teddie is bad now I am sending you all of my prayers and thoughts This post is filling me with some dread... Is his inevitable replacement just worse, or does he just get more and more grating as the game goes on? I'm a bit of ways into the second area (Palace? Tower?) and I'm not sure I like where they're going with Kanji after how bad the portrayal of homosexuality was in Persona 5. Like I'm hoping I'm wrong and it's not gonna end with a problematic message or whatever but it'd be really weird if they stepped backwards with the sequel. Also Literally Hitler in Persona 2 is hilarious and I may play the game just to experience that, haha. IcePhoenix posted:When I need to just focus and bang out some stuff at work my go to is still the 4th Palace's music. Same, that's probably my favorite track in the game especially for work/writing. All of the palaces have some really rad music but that and Whims of Fate are my standouts.
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Mar 28, 2018 22:52
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BlackFrost posted:I'm a bit of ways into the second area (Palace? Tower?) and I'm not sure I like where they're going with Kanji after how bad the portrayal of homosexuality was in Persona 5. Like I'm hoping I'm wrong and it's not gonna end with a problematic message or whatever but it'd be really weird if they stepped backwards with the sequel. Kanji's going to be fine. Actual spoiler ahead: He's not even gay. The TV world representations aren't completely accurate to the character's true feelings. It's a sliver of their personality misrepresented and exaggerated by the audience, getting more and more absurd each victim as interest in the midnight channel grows. Orcs and Ostriches fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Mar 28, 2018 |
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Mar 28, 2018 23:08
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Cuntellectual posted:It's a good song, but still only the second best Persona final-ish boss theme. What would you call the best? It's been a while since I've played 3 or 4 so I'm curious. But it's certainly better than the actual final boss theme, I barely even remember that.
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Mar 28, 2018 23:12
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BlackFrost posted:This post is filling me with some dread... both And Kanji's portrayal is, appropriately, very complex. I'll spoiler tag this just in case but they're really light spoilers and not related to the main story at all, but I'm gonna talk about Kanji a lot: Kanji appears to be gay from what you'd see on the Midnight Channel, but further development turns out that it's less about being into guys and more about feeling more comfortable around them than women, who he finds judgmental and genuinely mean. This sort of conflicts with the fact that he's definitely attracted to the """""boy""""" he's talking to when you're following him around town, so for a large portion of the game his sexuality is meant to be interpreted by the player as gay. This changes when he finds out eventually that the aforementioned boy isn't a boy and so turns out he's straight, and from that point on it's openly acknowledged by the party that Kanji has a crush on Naoto and is not gay. I'm not really up on social politics or whatever, but I think that's a fine portrayal, but maybe blogs would refer to that as "problematic" or something, I'm not sure. The real complexity comes in the form of Yosuke, who CONSTANTLY shits on Kanji for being gay in a "ew we can't share the same tent on a school trip because ur gay" kind of way and is one of the main reasons people tend to hate Yosuke. However, as someone who works with teens, I think this is a pretty accurate portrayal of a high school guy - but the interesting thing is that the end result of that portrayal is people thinking Yosuke is an rear end in a top hat and being a lot more empathetic toward Kanji and the struggles he's going through, and it makes his whole "wanting to be accepted for who he is" plight a lot more apparent and relevant to the player when even your teammates aren't totally ready to accept him. I don't know if that was the dev's intentions when deciding the characters, but that's definitely the result I've noticed from people I've talked to who played the game.
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Mar 28, 2018 23:44
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Hunter Noventa posted:What would you call the best? It's been a while since I've played 3 or 4 so I'm curious. Knight of the True Holy Lance, for when you fight Hitler but actually Nyarthalotep. Burn My Dread is really close too. The final boss theme in P5 is kinda eh, but the one that plays after you beat him is pretty good. The final boss theme of P1 was kinda forgettable and I can't even remember what plays for the final bosses in P4 and if it's any good or not. I wasn't a fan of New World Fool. Crawling Chaos from EP had some good moments but it was pretty underwhelming in general. e: I went and checked. Ameno-Sagiri and Kuzumi No Okami's themes aren't that good, but Izanami's is pretty cool. That said I find it weird the bonus boss just has Rivers In The Desert too. The game feels weirdly budget-y at times. BlackFrost posted:This post is filling me with some dread... The second part. His replacement is kinda annoying but not nearly as much. WRT homosexuality, apparently Yosuke was going to be a gay option at one point in development, based off of some files from TCRF from Yosuke that sounded like a romantic confession so... Who knows? Cuntellectual fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Mar 28, 2018 |
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BlackFrost posted:I'm a bit of ways into the second area (Palace? Tower?) and I'm not sure I like where they're going with Kanji after how bad the portrayal of homosexuality was in Persona 5. Like I'm hoping I'm wrong and it's not gonna end with a problematic message or whatever but it'd be really weird if they stepped backwards with the sequel.
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