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Big Mean Jerk posted:Sure, but the whole point of that episode is that she loves the worm, not the host. I mean is she loving the worm directly that seems more of an anime thing
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Tunicate posted:I mean is she loving the worm directly that seems more of an anime thing If it were an anime thing, then I'm pretty sure the lady Trill would be anatomically able to couple with Dr. Crusher.
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Mar 28, 2018 05:48
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I wish I could travel to distant places in a balsa wood pod not enough goddamn pods in my life as it is
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Mar 28, 2018 06:06
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They say in the companion that when they got to season 4 they figured Sisko had developed enough of an identity that they wouldn't have to worry about similar looks to Hawk in Spencer so they let him go ahead and shave.
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Mar 28, 2018 06:49
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Mar 28, 2018 08:43
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Pakled posted:I think it was more that they didn't want him to look too similar to his character in Spenser: For Hire for which he was best-known at that point. This is the correct story yeah. Later on they let him shave to Full Avery Brooks Mode once he's established. It's just nobody remembers The Hawk or Spenser For Hire anymore except my mom.
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Mar 28, 2018 12:53
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I agreed with the quotes in 50 Year Mission where Brooks supposedly said he looked like a black Ken doll in the first few seasons, and now i can’t unsee that
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Mar 28, 2018 14:58
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FlamingLiberal posted:I agreed with the quotes in 50 Year Mission where Brooks supposedly said he looked like a black Ken doll in the first few seasons, and now i can’t unsee that drat it. 
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Mar 28, 2018 15:39
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Okay, I've finally reached a point where I have space for a proper 90s science fiction television show in my life. I'm going to start watching DS9. Please give me tips on how to maximise my enjoyment of this.
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Mar 28, 2018 16:01
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womb with a view posted:Okay, I've finally reached a point where I have space for a proper 90s science fiction television show in my life. I'm going to start watching DS9. Please give me tips on how to maximise my enjoyment of this. Fall asleep during the first two episodes then ask TVIV to explain what the worm hole is all about and why everyone thinks Sisko is Jesus. That’s what I did and I am having a great time with my watch through.
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Mar 28, 2018 16:10
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womb with a view posted:Okay, I've finally reached a point where I have space for a proper 90s science fiction television show in my life. I'm going to start watching DS9. Please give me tips on how to maximise my enjoyment of this. Turn on the television and look at it while DS9 is on. Embrace your inner Garak.
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Mar 28, 2018 16:11
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womb with a view posted:Okay, I've finally reached a point where I have space for a proper 90s science fiction television show in my life. I'm going to start watching DS9. Please give me tips on how to maximise my enjoyment of this. DS9 is a bit of a counterpoint to TNG. TNG is the morals and values of the Federation, DS9 puts them through the ringer. DS9 is the best Trek imo, but only because it has TNG to build off of. So that said, you might want to check out a few TNG episodes before you kick into DS9. S4E12 - The Wounded - O'Brien's war experiences with the Cardassians S5E3 - Ensign Ro - Bajoran ensign, Maquis build up S6E10-11 - Chain of Command - Cardassian intrigue S7E20 - Journey's End - Wesley episode, but deals with the displacement of natives at the hands of a Federation/Cardassian peace treaty, Maquis build up S7E24 - Preemptive Strike - Tests Ro's loyalties to the Bajorans and to the Federation
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Mar 28, 2018 16:20
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MillennialVulcan posted:DS9 is a bit of a counterpoint to TNG. TNG is the morals and values of the Federation, DS9 puts them through the ringer. DS9 is the best Trek imo, but only because it has TNG to build off of. This is a pretty good suggestion. Also gives you a bit of Picard to give Emissary more punch. DS9 has few stinkers and it generally is a slow build to greatness so if there is a skip list, its small. Even the worst episodes are good for something, though. People say to skip Storyteller and Melora but hen you miss the beginning of the OBrien/Bashir bromance and the Klingon Chef. Those two I skip on rewatches, though. And Meridian. Is there anything good in Meridian?
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Mar 28, 2018 16:29
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I think Meridian has the b-plot where Quark is trying to get a holoimage of Kira, which has a great payoff.
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Meridian has the B-plot where Jeffrey Combs plays the creep who wants Quark to pimp out a holo-Kira for him, iirc. It’s not good but might be worth a chuckle.
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Mar 28, 2018 16:32
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MillennialVulcan posted:DS9 is a bit of a counterpoint to TNG. TNG is the morals and values of the Federation, DS9 puts them through the ringer. DS9 is the best Trek imo, but only because it has TNG to build off of. No Best of Both Worlds? For shame.
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The Bloop posted:And Meridian. Is there anything good in Meridian? Some fun Sisko/Dax, Quark is gross and gets comeuppance, and some of the planet shots are pretty.
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womb with a view posted:Okay, I've finally reached a point where I have space for a proper 90s science fiction television show in my life. I'm going to start watching DS9. Please give me tips on how to maximise my enjoyment of this. I agree with the others, but also keep us posted. I love reading peoples' first thoughts on episodes.
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If Wishes Were Horses is a very mediocre episode that both TOS and TNG did better, but it also introduces the baseball.
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Okay, I'll keep all that in mind!The Bloop posted:Skip list No worries there, I don't think I'll skip any. If I got through Plato's Stepchildren, Code of Honor, and any episode of Voyager, I'll probably be fine. Disclaimer: I haven't watched any Enterprise.
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Mar 28, 2018 17:12
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There's no episode of DS9 worse than the worst Voyager has to offer. With maybe one exception, all the "bad" episodes of DS9 are on par with merely forgettable TNG episodes.
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Mar 28, 2018 17:14
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I love how any time any trek wanted to do something actually a little line-pushingly progressive Berman was there to say "eww gross no!" and then sexually harass someone.
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Mar 28, 2018 17:20
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Pakled posted:There's no episode of DS9 worse than the worst Voyager has to offer. With maybe one exception, all the "bad" episodes of DS9 are on par with merely forgettable TNG episodes.
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Baronjutter posted:I love how any time any trek wanted to do something actually a little line-pushingly progressive Berman was there to say "eww gross no!" and then sexually harass someone. Berman was pretty terrible to Terry Farrell, but Maurice Hurley was the sex monster on TNG. And there was Brannon Braga, and you just know he made Jeri Ryan wear the catsuit when they were dating. Berman's big issue was that he was a raging egomaniac who saw himself as the keeper of Roddenberry's legacy.
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Mooseontheloose posted:No Best of Both Worlds? For shame. The Borg never show up in DS9 as an antagonist and The Emissary does a perfect job of showing what that chance encounter did to Sisko. It's also the most famous episode of Trek. People already know it. Sisko didn't need the broader context of Best of Both Worlds for his life to be destroyed and neither do you. primaltrash fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Mar 28, 2018 |
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Grand Fromage posted:This is the correct story yeah. Later on they let him shave to Full Avery Brooks Mode once he's established. Berman wanted something “middle American”. 
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Timby posted:Berman was pretty terrible to Terry Farrell, but Maurice Hurley was the sex monster on TNG. And there was Brannon Braga, and you just know he made Jeri Ryan wear the catsuit when they were dating. Braga mostly comes off as the type of dude who was good when he had people above him, but once he got into the driver's seat was too egotistical to continue to get edits for his junk.
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Gorelab posted:Braga mostly comes off as the type of dude who was good when he had people above him, but once he got into the driver's seat was too egotistical to continue to get edits for his junk. That's definitely the case when he was running Voyager and wound up treating Ron Moore like year-old dogshit.
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He also agreed to take the showrunner job on Enterprise despite being creatively burned out by that point, as we have recently learned
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FlamingLiberal posted:He also agreed to take the showrunner job on Enterprise despite being creatively burned out by that point, as we have recently learned Wasn't hard to deduce from the Enterprise episodes we got, though.
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FlamingLiberal posted:He also agreed to take the showrunner job on Enterprise despite being creatively burned out by that point, as we have recently learned I almost felt bad for him in the enterprise section of 50 year. Like he outright admits he was creatively burned out but was too much of a control freak to let other people handle the show. He admits what he was doing and what he was fighting against in the writers room (more continuity) was wrong, and when he finally went against his judgement and let other people's ideas be heard the show got a lot better but it was too little too late. He was just so desperately chasing those TNG popularity feels, Berman and Braga's post-TNG careers are just so sad and pathetic that they couldn't let TNG go, from the structure to the stupid "rules" to the impossible demands of recreating the mass popularity. Oh and Berman constantly defending and vetoing the ENT theme song is amazing too. You'll have like a page of every single person involved in the show saying the intro was a huge mistake that most of them were against, how focus groups laughed at it, but Berman just loving loved that song so much he rammed it through and vetoed any changes.
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Baronjutter posted:Oh and Berman constantly defending and vetoing the ENT theme song is amazing too. You'll have like a page of every single person involved in the show saying the intro was a huge mistake that most of them were against, how focus groups laughed at it, but Berman just loving loved that song so much he rammed it through and vetoed any changes. No one could bend or break him
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I can't speak for UPN's situation by 2005 but all things being equal were it not for that awful lame-dad-rock intro ENT would have run for seven seasons
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If you start finding season one boring, skip to Duet and watch from there. If you're enjoying it, skip nothing. Season one is legitimately kind of mediocre and nothing in it is so critical that you should risk burning out to watch it. Do try it first though, it isn't like TNG where the recommended watch says to skip season one sight unseen
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Kenjamin Sisko. He's in the military! So dashing and courageous! His "little brother" Jake wants to be a reporter! You can do it, scout! And here comes Kenjamin's girlfriend, Malibu Kassidie, who has her own pink bulk freighter. Looking fashionable, Kassidie!
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cheetah7071 posted:If you start finding season one boring, skip to Duet and watch from there. If you're enjoying it, skip nothing. Season one is legitimately kind of mediocre and nothing in it is so critical that you should risk burning out to watch it. Do try it first though, it isn't like TNG where the recommended watch says to skip season one sight unseen I'm glad I watched Encounter at Farpoint and Code of Honor though
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Sure, but the whole point of that episode is that she loves the worm, not the host. Star Trek: Love The Worm, Not The Host
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Tighclops posted:I can't speak for UPN's situation by 2005 but all things being equal were it not for that awful lame-dad-rock intro ENT would have run for seven seasons I don't really think that's true. Berman was an idiot but I do think he had a point regarding franchise fatigue. At that point of Enterprise's cancellation, Trek had been on TV continuously for almost two decades, and there had been movies coming out every few years for almost 25. And Enterprise cratered right out of the gate. I think by like halfway through the first season it had already hemorrhaged more than half the viewers from the pilot, and I believe around the time that the third season was airing they were barely clearing three million viewers per episode. People may not have been tired of Trek in and of itself, but they were certainly tired of lovely Trek, and Enterprise was basically a year-old TV dinner that had been microwaved three times over. The wasted potential still pisses me off.
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Timby posted:I don't really think that's true. Berman was an idiot but I do think he had a point regarding franchise fatigue. At that point of Enterprise's cancellation, Trek had been on TV continuously for almost two decades, and there had been movies coming out every few years for almost 25. And Enterprise cratered right out of the gate. I think by like halfway through the first season it had already hemorrhaged more than half the viewers from the pilot, and I believe around the time that the third season was airing they were barely clearing three million viewers per episode. Franchise fatigue can be a thing, but in Trek's case it was entirely the talent, not the audience. The trek movies were bad, Voyager was bad, Enterprise was bad. If those shows had actually been good, if the movies didn't vary from "bland tng 2 parter" to "one of the worst movies I've ever seen" then maybe trek wouldn't have died. It feels like way too easy of an excuse to just say "franchise fatigue" when there was such a massive drop in quality. People had fatigue for trek with Rick Berman involved.
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womb with a view posted:Okay, I'll keep all that in mind! If you're not going to skip anything (like a true Star Trek fan) and TNG already taught you to take the bad with the mediocre with the good then there really isn't much else to do except watch. Drop by and make fun/praise them!
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