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Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

Checked this morning, no eggs. Got home from work in time to see Mrs sterbai fussing around trying to pick a spot to place her first egg. Of course, she ended up just going with the usual spot in the corner where the small power head blows.

Please... that's enough eggs now, just stop you don't have to lay any more. (I count over 30 and she's laid them in a blob which is new)

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omnibobb
Dec 3, 2005
Title text'd

Stoca Zola posted:

Checked this morning, no eggs. Got home from work in time to see Mrs sterbai fussing around trying to pick a spot to place her first egg. Of course, she ended up just going with the usual spot in the corner where the small power head blows.

Please... that's enough eggs now, just stop you don't have to lay any more. (I count over 30 and she's laid them in a blob which is new)



Never stop posting.

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



i'm honestly really looking forward to cory fries lol

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

They are ridiculously cute, and it's only a few days from hatching that they get their whiskers and start acting like catfish instead of ridiculous spherical tadpoles. I wasn't going to keep any of those 30 eggs but I had a change of heart and after letting them harden overnight, about 10 of them were eaten and the rest I saved. I was pretty sure after that huge effort I wouldn't see any more but apparently there is another erratic egglayer in the house. After dinner I found about 20 more eggs, only this time they were scattered across 3 tank walls, on leaves, on the sides of the breeder box and on the little powerhead itself. So I am guessing between the two of them they came up with the first batch of 50 eggs, as those were laid all over the place in an area that covers the two styles of laying I've seen. So at this stage I think I must have 2 females, 4 males and one unknown. They often can be seen swimming in 2 groups of 3 or one big group of 6 with one doing its own thing separately. Visually I can't tell the difference between them but maybe one is not quite old enough yet to spawn with the others, and when they are in a frisky mood it is easy to pick out which ones are getting all the attention. These sterbai corys are absolutely textbook in their behaviour and spawning, I would definitely recommend them as a first cory for anyone keeping a tropical tank.

Pandas are still my favourite though, and hopefully the ones I bought from Facebook will arrive tomorrow. Of the three eggs I took from the plague tank 2 have gone bad but one I can't see anymore so I am not sure if it hatched or was eaten by shrimp. The rest of my pandas I'm pretty sure are all male, now that they have all grown to the same size there isn't a particular one that is larger or more female looking. So far only my trilineatus corys have really huge obvious females. Anyway the guy I bought these new pandas from is a collector who privately imports species we can't otherwise get here, and breeds them. He has 130 tanks and was selling a heap of rarities (to fund an upcoming import and clear some room) which were too expensive for me but his price for pandas was low enough to tempt me to try again. I talked to him a bit trying to feel him out before buying from him and then some more after, and unfortunately he'd never come across anything like the disease I saw with mine, although he did swear by melafix as an aid to healing. Not that it does anything, but he reckons it boosts a corys ability to fight illness itself along with quality food and frequent water changes. It's about the only thing I haven't tried on my plague corys so I might give it a go, it is at least plausible that melafix could help with what looks like a secondary fungal infection on my sickest panda.

Saddest rhino, if you want to raise Cory fry you need to rescue any eggs pretty quickly to stop them from becoming a snack to pretty much any other aquarium inhabitant including the parents. But if you move the egg too early they can pop, so it's a balance between letting them harden and protecting them. If you're lucky and they lay the eggs on a leaf it does make it easier to just move the leaf and not worry about popping the egg. I've found these sterbai seem to only like anubias, they won't lay their eggs on Java fern. To the extent of choosing an anubias smaller than an inch in size to lay on over using a nice big Java fern. But every Cory has different preferences, some species are fussier. A guy was trying to breed his and they wouldn't do it until he moved them on to river pebbles instead of sand. Some want a cave and will lay under a flat rock. Some want a spawning mop directly in the water flow from the filter. And as my sterbai have shown I think individual fish have their own preferences too. Raising fish from eggs is a lot of fun!

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

Facebook corydoras purchase so far is a total success! They're so little, I forgot how small new panda corys are. They were feisty in the bag, packed 3 per large bag so plenty of water and not too smelly when I got em out. Just as well since I've accidentally knocked that water onto the carpet. The seller reckons he's had them last up to 4 days set up like that but obviously prefers not to test the limits of their survival. I would say they were in for a little over 48 hours. I had work today so I really only had time to dump them into quarantine then off for the day, but everyone still looked fine when I got home so that's reassuring at least. I put a little piece of sera o-nip in for them before dinner and it was completely gone when I checked on them just now. So they got a little blob of worms to eat too.

I managed to spot the big fry sitting on driftwood in the main tank and got a torch to show him to my partner, who hadn't seen it yet. "I see movement," he said. "Oh, there he is on the other side now, how did he get over there? is there a tunnel in the driftwood?" - there isn't, and once I shone my torch in from a different angle it became clear that there were three different big fry inhabiting the driftwood as well as the smaller one I'd seen earlier. I suspect there could be even more than that since the two pieces of wood are set up like a cave, so who knows how many are hiding underneath?

My first batch of fry that hatched are about a week old now. I vacuumed all the gunk out of their box and only found one dead fry, and a couple of small ones hiding under the gunk and not doing so well.

https://i.imgur.com/VQsptJe.mp4

Terrible footage but you can see how much bigger they are than the last time I posted them.

I was watching my dwarf crayfish eat some worms tonight and I really think this species doesn't fight unless there is food scarcity. They seem satisfied to just sit in plants if cave structures aren't available and if there is enough food for everyone to have a piece they'll sit quite calmly near each other, munching away. Occasional live food and occasional fresh veg seem to be the most popular items and they'll pounce on either, snatching it out of the air water and running off if they snag a big piece.

Stoca Zola fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Mar 28, 2018

w00tmonger
Mar 9, 2011

F-F-FRIDAY NIGHT MOTHERFUCKERS

Corys are the best fish

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

Put it all together.
Solve the world.
One conversation at a time.



oh no, i am just excited to see how your cory fries turn out! (They are cute btw) Before my fish genocide one of the balloon mollies gave birth and I managed to save two fries, but after a few weeks the synodontis got frisky and ate them. I also discovered that two of my albino cories, which passed from swimming bladder problems (turns out not just one was doing the 'spinning at surface' dance), were targeted by the synodontis. The first disappeared completely and the second I found was dragged into the synodontis's pineapple cave, presumably for supper. When I was fishing out the corpse it got mad and kept trying to attack the net. Circle of life ~~~~

Dr. Despair
Nov 4, 2009


39 perfect posts with each roll.

The circle of life in my tank is my Bolivian ram that's gotta be 6 or 7 years old now (gotta go back to my old posts in this thread to double check) outliving literally everything els even though I have to hand feed him since he can barely see food.

Dude owns.

omnibobb
Dec 3, 2005
Title text'd
Corys were acting a little weird last night and i thought they were looking for food but i think i have eggs. There are several other leaves that look like this. What do you all think and if it is eggs, uhhhh... what do i do?

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

After a day off we had 37 more eggs in the usual corner today. At this point I'm resigned to raising cory fry forever and on top of that I've spotted some gudgeons sitting on eggs too now (I think that's generation 3 now). I've switched out the powerfilter in the gudgeon's tank for a second sponge filter so that tank is fry friendly now, the plants are probably established well enough for fry to hide in too so it will be interesting to see if anything survives. The bigger planted tank I set up specifically for letting gudgeons do their thing doesn't seem to be achieving much!

8 more eggs since I started typing this post :stonk:

Anyway here are some more baby fish pics with nursemaid shrimp for scale, just regular cherry shrimp culls. One of the smaller ones out of focus at the front, with a belly full of brine shrimp:


One of the older ones with out of focus shrimp in the foreground, brineshrimp belly = true:


https://i.imgur.com/W7Jz6tt.gifv

Nothing much happening elsewhere in the fish room, my suspected TB guppies have refused to die after that bad day a while ago but I am still going ahead with breaking that tank down. I have the pond set up with guppies and plants and just set the heater up tonight so that end of things is nearly done.

omnibobb posted:

Corys were acting a little weird last night and i thought they were looking for food but i think i have eggs.

Cory eggs look like little spheres with shells, all the same size (within the same species that is) and that leaf looks like it is covered in bubbles.

Freshly laid are pale like this and within a few hours they go yellower or even brownish as the shell hardens.

If you run your finger over those bubbles, do they come loose? Is it slimy? I'd be worried you have a bit of a cyanobacteria colony forming on those leaves. It can eventually look like this:


But it might not be that - not sure, I've not had any of that in my tanks.

Frisky breeding corys get pretty touchy feely with each other and do a lot of following each other and crowding together and if you're lucky you might even catch them in the act - they go into what is called the T-position where the biological materials are exchanged from male to female. I've yet to see this part although I've seen the frisky stuff before and the egg laying after. If you haven't got anywhere for fry to hide you'd have to move any cory eggs to safety in order to raise them up. And if you have other fish they'll probably eat any eggs too. I think I have had a lucky situation where the powerhead that makes the right amount of flow for the cory to want to lay her eggs is situated high up in the tank. Once the eggs are up there, none of the corys ever go up that high so the eggs haven't really been eaten much. Otherwise, the adult corys would eat the eggs just as readily as any other fish. Anyway you can pretty much use the same advice and same kind of food for raising cory fry as for any egg-laying fish fry, the important thing is feeding food that sinks since the fry don't really spend much time in the water column. They don't seem to be particularly fussy or difficult to raise and they aren't super small when hatched so you don't need specialist tiny food like you would for danio fry for example.

Edit to add T position corys

The male is the top of the T and the female is the "leg" of the T - in this pic you can see she's already holding on to an egg. It's thought that the female takes the sperm from the male and then fertilizes the egg herself; although no one knows exactly whats going on she probably spits rather than swallowing.

Stoca Zola fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Mar 29, 2018

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Stoca Zola posted:

After a day off we had 37 more eggs in the usual corner today. At this point I'm resigned to raising cory fry forever and on top of that I've spotted some gudgeons sitting on eggs too now (I think that's generation 3 now). I've switched out the powerfilter in the gudgeon's tank for a second sponge filter so that tank is fry friendly now, the plants are probably established well enough for fry to hide in too so it will be interesting to see if anything survives. The bigger planted tank I set up specifically for letting gudgeons do their thing doesn't seem to be achieving much!

8 more eggs since I started typing this post :stonk:

Anyway here are some more baby fish pics with nursemaid shrimp for scale, just regular cherry shrimp culls. One of the smaller ones out of focus at the front, with a belly full of brine shrimp:


One of the older ones with out of focus shrimp in the foreground, brineshrimp belly = true:


https://i.imgur.com/W7Jz6tt.gifv

Nothing much happening elsewhere in the fish room, my suspected TB guppies have refused to die after that bad day a while ago but I am still going ahead with breaking that tank down. I have the pond set up with guppies and plants and just set the heater up tonight so that end of things is nearly done.


Cory eggs look like little spheres with shells, all the same size (within the same species that is) and that leaf looks like it is covered in bubbles.

Freshly laid are pale like this and within a few hours they go yellower or even brownish as the shell hardens.

If you run your finger over those bubbles, do they come loose? Is it slimy? I'd be worried you have a bit of a cyanobacteria colony forming on those leaves. It can eventually look like this:


But it might not be that - not sure, I've not had any of that in my tanks.

Frisky breeding corys get pretty touchy feely with each other and do a lot of following each other and crowding together and if you're lucky you might even catch them in the act - they go into what is called the T-position where the biological materials are exchanged from male to female. I've yet to see this part although I've seen the frisky stuff before and the egg laying after. If you haven't got anywhere for fry to hide you'd have to move any cory eggs to safety in order to raise them up. And if you have other fish they'll probably eat any eggs too. I think I have had a lucky situation where the powerhead that makes the right amount of flow for the cory to want to lay her eggs is situated high up in the tank. Once the eggs are up there, none of the corys ever go up that high so the eggs haven't really been eaten much. Otherwise, the adult corys would eat the eggs just as readily as any other fish. Anyway you can pretty much use the same advice and same kind of food for raising cory fry as for any egg-laying fish fry, the important thing is feeding food that sinks since the fry don't really spend much time in the water column. They don't seem to be particularly fussy or difficult to raise and they aren't super small when hatched so you don't need specialist tiny food like you would for danio fry for example.

Edit to add T position corys

The male is the top of the T and the female is the "leg" of the T - in this pic you can see she's already holding on to an egg. It's thought that the female takes the sperm from the male and then fertilizes the egg herself; although no one knows exactly whats going on she probably spits rather than swallowing.

Can always count on this thread for fish porn

omnibobb
Dec 3, 2005
Title text'd

This is cool. You’re cool.

I thought it was bubbles at first but then thought about them being weird and didnt know if it was ok to touch just in case. Ill check it out when I get home from work.

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

:D I'm glad you're enjoying my fishposts!

The plague pandas laid something like 20 eggs too tonight or yesterday, I only just saw them right when I was doing my last minute checking before bed. She chose to lay her eggs on the pitiful skeleton of a leaf and some scrappy threads of java moss that were caught on an airline, something like 2 inches from the spraybar filter outlet, right at the surface (and 3 on the glass again). So she seems to prefer extremely high flow, right up high and a soft place to put her eggs and would probably use a spawning mop, whereas the sterbai corys prefer flat surfaces and flat leaves and pretty much only use the spawning mop for hiding underneath.

After seeing the last batch of panda eggs I put a sponge over the filter inlet in their tank just in case any fry are hatching that I haven't seen and I'm glad I did since they don't seem to care about living in 800ppm salt water and they've decided they're going to lay eggs now. Of the three eggs that I moved one does seem to have hatched but I think moving them to less salty water was a mistake. I keep seeing one pale larger fry and for a long time I wasn't sure, but now I can see his pigmentation I'm pretty sure he's a panda. I'm really not sure that he's doing very well though because he looks like a big clear bag of water. If he formed as an egg in water with a higher TDS, he might be experiencing osmotic pressure from the lower TDS water he's in now which might cause him to bloat up. OR it could just be that's what a panda cory fry looks like, I don't really have anything to compare to since this is my first panda fry. I've set up my third and final breeder box on the plague panda cory tank though to see whether that will work better for the next batch of eggs.

https://i.imgur.com/mS9WdOl.mp4

Here's the one that hatched that I'm not sure if he's ok or not. Compared to the sterbai fry his tail is taller/less pointy and he only has pigment on the top of his head and a bit on his back. But his belly is huge - I guess it could be full of microworms, I haven't been feeding baby brine shrimp to this box much because these fry are younger and continuously hatching. I don't know whether at this stage of development he has sufficiently developed organs to cope with any osmotic problems. AND pretty much all fry rearing how-tos recommend you use aged water from the tank the eggs/fry originally came from when raising fry and I suspect this might be why.

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




Stoca Zola posted:

After a day off we had 37 more eggs in the usual corner today. At this point I'm resigned to raising cory fry forever and on top of that I've spotted some gudgeons sitting on eggs too now (I think that's generation 3 now).

It might not be forever. Mine used to do that for 3 or 4 months in the spring, then stop for the rest of the year. I'm not sure how they knew it was spring indoors in a climate controlled glass box, but it only happened in spring. :iiam:

w00tmonger
Mar 9, 2011

F-F-FRIDAY NIGHT MOTHERFUCKERS

Anyone know much about daphnia? I'm thinking about getting a couple 5 gallon buckets and starting a culture, but I only have a 55g community and a 9g Betta tank. I'm worried I'm gonna be making more than I know what to do with as far as food is concerned.
Is it the sort of thing where I should be finding a couple locals and selling it to them on a regular basis?

w00tmonger fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Mar 29, 2018

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

I think your suspicions are well founded, daphnia seem to work best when culturing them at a larger scale in a big container. I tried doing it in a small tank on the windowsill and it was a complete failure. If you get a culture going you will have to harvest from it regularly to prevent a crash due to overpopulation. I bet your community would love eating daphnia just as much as your betta though. You can always sell excess daphnia as cultures if you have too many, or if you have a local fish club they might be interested too.

w00tmonger
Mar 9, 2011

F-F-FRIDAY NIGHT MOTHERFUCKERS

Stoca Zola posted:

I think your suspicions are well founded, daphnia seem to work best when culturing them at a larger scale in a big container. I tried doing it in a small tank on the windowsill and it was a complete failure. If you get a culture going you will have to harvest from it regularly to prevent a crash due to overpopulation. I bet your community would love eating daphnia just as much as your betta though. You can always sell excess daphnia as cultures if you have too many, or if you have a local fish club they might be interested too.

This is what I'm leaning on. There are at least a few people in Calgary who be down to trade for beer/plants/whatever

Dr. Despair
Nov 4, 2009


39 perfect posts with each roll.

Mr. Despair posted:

The circle of life in my tank is my Bolivian ram that's gotta be 6 or 7 years old now (gotta go back to my old posts in this thread to double check) outliving literally everything els even though I have to hand feed him since he can barely see food.

Dude owns.

The Dude is dead now. What terrible timing!

snoo
Jul 5, 2007




cory mating and egg laying is hilarious and cute, my original three gave me another 8 and that was without me doing anything at all to encourage the eggs hatching. it was so fun watching the two females dropping their eggs off on the glass. baby cories are super cute :3: from what I remember they just look like extremely tiny versions of the adult catfish :kimchi:

they only laid eggs when I was at my parents' place, usually when the temperature would drop in the house or after a water change. the cooler water seemed to be a factor for them. we also had really good water there.

my oldest cory is at least 7 years old, and she is very large. she's been through 3 different tanks and 2 moves, and made many children. a good fish friend imo

snoo fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Apr 1, 2018

WTF BEES
Feb 26, 2004

I think I just hit a creature?
So, against literally all odds, my emerald cory cats have apparently successfully made babies. I had three large corys living peaceably with my musk turtle, and they would fairly frequently lay eggs all over the place. Sadly the bristlenose pleco would always make short work of them.

Well one day a couple weeks ago I noticed all the guppies gasping at the surface, so something was obviously wrong. Turns out a combination of my cannister filter failing and my turtle secretly DEVOURING MY PLECO and hiding the body under a log, as musk turtles are won't to do, fouled my water. I managed to find all the pleco......chunks.....and did a series a big water changes over several days, which calmed things back down. I also replaced my filter with a much larger, nicer model.

Fast forward to a couple days ago. I was feeding my turtle/fish and I noticed one of my cory cats looked awfully small. Curios, I went in for a closer look and realized this was a new baby, as the other corys were on the other side of the tank! This little guy survived the pleco, the guppies, severely fouled water, and the ever present danger of Stinky the Turtle.

I'm excited, I was under the impression corys were difficult to breed, or did I just get super lucky?

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

As I found in my 15g sterbai tank, corys can magically appear even when there isn't much cover or any food specifically for them (I have 3 or 4 surprise fry in my main tank). From my observations of the ones I've been raising, for egg-laying fish their survival instincts kick in very quickly. I've seen newborn tetras and newborn danios and in comparison they just hang around in the open waiting to be picked off by predators; I am guessing they rely on their eggs washing somewhere shallow or overgrown that will give them cover from predators. Corydoras fry don't spend very long in the herp-derp bumbling about stage of being newly hatched and will seek cover very quickly after hatching. They stay on the bottom, and stay in cover any time there is light; their camouflage is extremely good and they'll also freeze if they end up out in the open. Mine are only 10 days old and are starting to resemble miniature adults. They come out from the shadows more now but if anything upsets them, they swim well enough now to dart for cover.

https://i.imgur.com/C2lxnYf.gifv

I think they're very versatile in what they will eat, so if there is any form of detritus worm, copepod or other small lifeforms, food scraps, rotting leaf matter, even younger siblings once they're big enough, it will be enough to feed them. They are not fussy or difficult to feed at all, and aren't super tiny when they hatch either. So there was a bit of luck involved, maybe an egg dislodged and rolled into gravel, or was stuck somewhere the bristlenose couldn't find it - getting to the point of hatching, and getting big enough that it could spot hazards and move itself out of the way, those would have been the hardest part of surviving I think. I have a feeling that the juvenile form of emerald corys would have some patterning to assist in staying hidden - check this little cutie out!

Congrats on being a fish parent! It might happen more often now that the pleco isn't around to hoover up the eggs.

I haven't seen any action from the panda corydoras eggs I retrieved the other day, apart from lots of them going white and I can no longer see the weird blown up looking fry, so I guess whatever was wrong with him was fatal. My second sterbai breeder box is a bit of a shambles, a mix of eggs, newborn fry, older fry - and I have to feed different sized food, I've lost track of which eggs are old and not viable, and which just haven't hatched yet. It's been a learning experience, I really didn't think through what would happen when I kept keeping wave after wave of eggs. Why do I keep saving the eggs? I worked out why, they lay them so close to the water line that the eggs would go out of the water and dry out when I do water changes on that tank. So rather than let that happen, I've been saving the eggs every time I water change. It just seems like the right thing to do. Anyway for the 35 eggs I collected tonight, which are from the last couple of days, I have cleared one end of the breeder box and put a divider in. So at least I will know which of those eggs hatch and are viable, and which ones need to be removed. I've built a floating tray style breeder box which I am going to try, at the very least I will take out all the questionable eggs from the second box and put them in the tray to see if any hatch. I am running out of real estate for fry but I have an idea to fry-proof the panda cory quarantine tub so maybe I can use that for growing out once the pandas aren't in there any more.

I think I have won over the 6 new panda corydoras. All 6 came out and begged for food instead of hiding, although they do still startle very easily, I think they've finally started to settle in. They have a big almond leaf and a large ceramic cave for cover as well as a big mass of floating riccia. I don't want to move them to the panda display tank until I've spent some time tidying it up, it's completely overgrown and gross at the moment. I want there to be some nice swimming space at the bottom before I add more corys. So far there is absolutely no sign of illness or problem with the new pandas, which is a first!

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




I once found a young cory swimming up and down the uplift tube from the under gravel filter. As a hatching he must have been tiny enough to get between the slats, then just lived under the gravel for a month until things started getting tight. He was able to get into the uplift tube, but there was no way out from there.

Of course that made me paranoid about things getting stuck in there, and eventually I got rid of the under gravel filter entirely.

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

Secret potato cam footage of joyful panda dance resulting from 6 new panda corys added after a tidy up and water change (had to sneak up on them in the dark).



I normally wouldn't add fish this soon but it's been about a week with no sign of issues and I feel like it's less risky with local fish from a hobbyist than with stressed double-shipped store bought fish. I've been having trouble keeping up with extra extra water changes on the sterbai tank and the quarantine tank so I figured they'd get better care moved to a bigger tank and that's one less water change to bother with. Keeping up with feeding fry and cleaning up the mess is taking a lot of time plus I'm still trying to get my big tank fish-worthy. It's planted, mostly, with water circulating but not filtering. I haven't had any spare water to fill it up the last little bit!

The little corys did not want to be netted but I was able to move them two by two and the coolest thing happened as they made their way to the bottom in the new tank. The other older panda corys perked up and rushed over to greet the new arrivals and once they'd all gone in, a big pile of panda corys formed up and started wall climbing and schooling around in a nice cloud. The new pandas are 1/3-1/2 the size of the old ones, but the "old" ones would only be a year or so old so the little guys will catch up soon enough. I'm really pleased with how the two groups reacted with each other; and I feel kind of sorry for the 4 trilineatus that are the odd ones out now. I'd like to get 6 more but then I'd have to move them to their own tank I think. They don't school with the pandas, although often I see a panda following the big female around. Anyway for now that's all the new fish I can handle! I'd planned to get some more brevibora in the school holidays, hopefully resulting in a good split between dorsiocellata and cheeyii so I can split up the species to two tanks, but right now I think that can wait until spring.

Stoca Zola fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Apr 2, 2018

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Going to have to request the title to read 'cory infestations' soon if this keeps up!

WTF BEES
Feb 26, 2004

I think I just hit a creature?
OK I need some really non-emergency help.

So, after the previously described disaster my tank is recovering, but there's a couple issues. First is a fungal infection that broke out on some of my bigger female guppies (they all looked like they were wearing fluffy white hats), but I've got that under control with Pimafix and Melafix.

The more annoying issue however is I've got an insane bacterial bloom (I assume) making my water milky ever since I was forced to change cannister filters. I upgraded from a 50g to a 70g cannister (when you keep turtles you need double or even triple filtration), and made sure to move over as much media from the old filter to the new as I could. Sadly I couldn't run them side by side because the old filter just flat out broke.

What makes things more difficult is from what I've read, the cure for this cloudiness is frequent water changes. Unfortunately, the Pimafix/Melafix says "Treat once a day for 7 days, then do a water change". So while I'm treating the fungus infections I can't do the water changes to get the cloudiness back under control.

On another, somewhat related topic, anybody have tips to break up the flow from a strong cannister? I have duckweed in my tank that I don't want to get beaten up and die from too much current (it does a great job devouring water contaminants, and the turtle likes to snack on it which is great as it's full of nutrients for her). Right now I actually have the outflow blasting into a chunk of filter sponge, but that kills the sub-surface water flow.

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

I don't think cloudy water will hurt in the short term while you're waiting for the treatment to complete. It may even be related to the treatment or it might be dust from any new ceramic media you added if you forgot to rinse it. If you work out which direction the water is flowing through your new canister and pack the last layer with filter floss that can often help clear water. You might already have some in your filter, but add more! Seachem clarity is great for non-bacterial cloudiness, however its basically just glue and you end up needing to rinse all the collected muck out of your filter or it gets clogged. I think once a bacterial film forms on the filter floss it becomes much more effective at trapping tiny particles so if you give your new filter a chance to settle down you might see better results.

I don't know that water changes really help that much with bacterial cloudiness since the bacteria will just keep reproducing if their food source is still around. If that's from dirty water the water change will help, but if they just like the conditions in your tank it might not help at all, or if there's something in your tapwater that the bacteria likes. Or if there's a buried piece of dead pleco somewhere! There isn't really a test you can do to detect if cloudiness is bacterial or not. Maybe a really thorough gravel vaccing could help too, I'm not sure.

Regarding the excess flow from your canister, if you put your spraybar below the surface and aim it upwards, it's still going to push the duckweed around a bit but not so bad as if it's hitting the duckweed from above. On both my tanks that have spray bars, I have taken the end of the bar off and added an elbow so that the sprays from the bar aren't so fast but there is an area of high flow to still allow circulation. Something like that might work but I haven't found a way to do it that doesn't look half arsed and ugly, haha. Maybe doing the same thing but putting the sponge on the end of the spraybar instead of an elbow? It'll still relieve some pressure but you should get some flow out of the spraybar holes.

Duckweed is a very useful plant, tons of vegetable protein and vitamins, and its free! I think duckweed suffers most from being wet from above so if you can avoid that it should still survive in your tank.

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


In the next few months I'm going to rip up all the carpet in our main floor and replace it with new flooring. I'll have to move at least my 55g mbuna tank for this to happen, and it's opening up some possibilities. I'm really thinking hard about selling off that tank and fish, also selling the 90 bow in my office, and then buying a new 6ft 120 for the living room and setting it up with the fish and plants from the 90.

I'm torn because I've had many of these mbuna for quite a few years now, but balancing aggression issues has gotten old and a planted tank full of denison barbs and rainbowfish sounds pretty drat chill for a living room. Would be nice to get these denisons back in a 6 footer again too.

r0ck0
Sep 12, 2004
r0ck0s p0zt m0d3rn lyf
So it turns out my female scarlet badis is a male. Both doing well, eating nothing but live foods, black worms and baby brine shrimp.

CrashScreen
Nov 11, 2012

I really love how they pop out in front of the plants.

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

That is a super nice dense subwassertang, I've never got mine to grow like that (probably not enough light). Scarlet badis are super cute too!

My oldest sterbai fry decided he was a big boy today and came out in the open, with the light on, and ate with the grown ups.

https://i.imgur.com/hQdNsKI.gifv


Enos Cabell posted:

...a planted tank full of denison barbs and rainbowfish sounds pretty drat chill for a living room. Would be nice to get these denisons back in a 6 footer again too.

Sounds like an excellent idea! One of the best looking tanks (livestock wise, in my opinion) I've seen was pretty much that, denisons and rainbows.

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

:stonk: 80 more eggs today wtf :psyduck:

Ironsolid
Mar 1, 2005

Fishing isn't an addiction, it's a way of life. Everything to gain while losing everything
So we went Craigslist hunting this week and acquired some treasures.

1. Listing says "30 gallon tank, moving, need gone - $50."

Looking at the advertisement, she has a picture of a very large Tinfoil Barb and what she says in an "algae eater." Looking at her pictures, the "algae eater" is some sort of large pleco. We were pretty sure the tank was in fact, not a 30 gallon, but instead a 46 gallon. We went to her house for pickup the next day.

Upon arrival our suspicions of this being a 46 gallon bow front were confirmed, so right away this is a great deal. The lady had already drained about 50% of the water, so we removed the rest and kept what we could for transportation. We got the aquarium stand (which is a really nice piece of furniture) in place, all of the built up poo poo and ammonia in the substrate removed and tank partially filled with fresh water. Once we got the fish into the aquarium he appeared to be under less stress than fish usually are under the circumstances. Ultimately the move was a success, or so we thought.

About 3 hours goes by and we offered him a salad shrimp (we feed almost all of our fish salad shrimp soaked with a drop of zoe vitamin supplement) and he decimated it. Guy was eating like a boss. He ended up eating 8 in total. This fish was huge, at least 12 inches, 10 years old. All things considered the fish was doing fantastically. Through the night he appeared to be doing well, but in the morning we found him dead at the bottom of the aquarium. It's a drat shame because this weekend he was headed for Ohio Fish Rescue to swim in a 4400 gallon aquarium for the remainder of his life.

The pleco, however, survived and is doing well. He is about 10" and headed for the Ohio Fish Rescue to either live out his life with other huge fish or be donated to an aquarium/zoo.

2. One hell of a sump. Listing says "100 gallon sump with pump." - $100 firm.

Always skeptical with things on Craigslist, but decided to get ahold of him anyways. The guy picked up a 100 gallon Hagen sump from our LFS for $300 just a few weeks earlier and decided against using it. Met him at his residence, tested everything and couldn't find a god drat thing wrong with it. No leaking, briefly used. Cool, payed the man and and trash/treasure. Nothing some bleach and work can't fix.

No post is complete without the obligatory fish. Have my 12" Tire Track Eel!

w00tmonger
Mar 9, 2011

F-F-FRIDAY NIGHT MOTHERFUCKERS

Stoca Zola posted:

:stonk: 80 more eggs today wtf :psyduck:

You're fish need to calm the gently caress down.

So you're selling these guys right?

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

Nice haul! A shame the big old barb didn't make it, I would suspect perhaps he ate himself to death (I've lost 4 or 5 barbs that way) but at least he died happy I guess. RIP greedy barb! That eel is a mega cutie too.

There are only 47 corydoras eggs left now after everyone had a snack. A bit more manageable and I couldn't move them earlier anyway, they were too soft. I think I'll set them up in their own tank rather than hang them off an existing one, the oldest fry will need to go into a tank sooner or later anyway so might as well set it up now.

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

w00tmonger posted:

So you're selling these guys right?

I'm gonna try! I have tanks full of peacock gudgeons that I couldn't bring myself to sell since they're a bit sensitive to water quality but these corys are so solid I think they would thrive in anyone's tank.

Ironsolid
Mar 1, 2005

Fishing isn't an addiction, it's a way of life. Everything to gain while losing everything

Stoca Zola posted:

Nice haul! A shame the big old barb didn't make it, I would suspect perhaps he ate himself to death (I've lost 4 or 5 barbs that way) but at least he died happy I guess. RIP greedy barb! That eel is a mega cutie too.

There are only 47 corydoras eggs left now after everyone had a snack. A bit more manageable and I couldn't move them earlier anyway, they were too soft. I think I'll set them up in their own tank rather than hang them off an existing one, the oldest fry will need to go into a tank sooner or later anyway so might as well set it up now.

I almost wondered that first - but wouldn't they die a lot faster? We figured he died due to stress and had a stress onset heart attack or something. Water parameters were far better than he was used to. Salad shrimp are small, and my eel eats 4-5 at a time but weighs dramatically less than he does. Though, my eel is used to eating large quantities of food, where this barb was used to eating dried food from an auto feeder or freeze dried shrimp. The albino sail fin Pleco was/is emaciated. He's not eating well, which would almost lead me to believe his lack of food intake shrank his stomach and will need time to adjust to actually having food again.

minema
May 31, 2011
Due to a horrible misunderstanding with the petsitter while we were on holiday, everything in my 54l tank was switched off for a week and there are no survivors. :( I had about 10 ember tetras and a couple of ottos in there. I've managed to fish out a few tetra bodies but can't find the rest. I don't really know what to do with it now. I want to restock it but I don't know what with, and I don't know how to make it alright for new fish. Should I strip it down completely and cycle it from scratch? Or keep doing water changes and let the bodies left in there decompose? It's such a horrible situation but I'm trying to be excited about maybe changing up what fish I have :/

Dr. Garbanzo
Sep 14, 2010
I think my juli cories might be close to breeding. Two of them are spending stacks of time with each other and I’ve seen the t formation a few times this morning. We’ll see what happens though I guess

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




minema posted:

Due to a horrible misunderstanding with the petsitter while we were on holiday, everything in my 54l tank was switched off for a week and there are no survivors. :( I had about 10 ember tetras and a couple of ottos in there. I've managed to fish out a few tetra bodies but can't find the rest. I don't really know what to do with it now. I want to restock it but I don't know what with, and I don't know how to make it alright for new fish. Should I strip it down completely and cycle it from scratch? Or keep doing water changes and let the bodies left in there decompose? It's such a horrible situation but I'm trying to be excited about maybe changing up what fish I have :/

You should be fine doing a few 50% changes. Or even 80% water changes. Get out the pollutants without totally stripping the place of bacteria. You could stir up the substrate to shake loose any bits of remains while draining the water. A total strip down shouldn't be necessary.

It's possible you can't find the bodies because the first die got eaten by the others. Ottos are tiny, it would be easy for them to be entirely consumed by fish or snails. Tiny fish also rot pretty fast. I've had ottos completely vanish without an ammonia spike or anything to indicate they died. :iiam:

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Jul 5, 2007




r0ck0 posted:

So it turns out my female scarlet badis is a male. Both doing well, eating nothing but live foods, black worms and baby brine shrimp.



:3: gorgeous fish and plants there

minema posted:

Due to a horrible misunderstanding with the petsitter while we were on holiday, everything in my 54l tank was switched off for a week and there are no survivors. :(

:( what a lovely situation. best of luck with whatever you choose to do with the tank

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