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Also they drive white trucks, not red ones
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No they don't. You might be thinking of the SES.
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https://www.change.org/p/royal-commission-petition-for-a-royal-commission-into-abc-misuse-of-funds-for-purposes-of-pushing-an-agenda Change.org is a real scrunts nest Anidav fucked around with this message at 10:40 on Mar 30, 2018 |
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Mr Chips posted:all ~50,000 CFA volunteers? I've tried to read up on this CFA/UFU thing but it still makes no sense to an outsider. I met with a bunch of firefighters not long ago for work and they said a key issue is that there's no basic skill level or training requirement for CFA volunteers, so sometimes they'll rock up to a job and get helpful people who know what they're doing, and sometimes they get there and find people whose only qualification is that they can drive and live nearby. Another problem is that the way in which MFB/CFA territory distribution was outdated to the extreme. In the '60s they drew a circle around the GPO (I think it was like 20km but I could be off on that) and said everywhere in that circle was MFB, everywhere outside was CFA. As a result of that, you had some highly suburban/metropolitan areas classed as CFA, which makes no sense at all. It's also disingenuous for the dispute to be classed as CFA vs MFB - there's huge support from within the CFA for the changes, but as always and with anything, there are a few who don't like it, so of course it gets reduced and simplified by the media to "CFA vs MFB". I saw what you did with incendiary.
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Anidav posted:https://www.change.org/p/royal-commission-petition-for-a-royal-commission-into-abc-misuse-of-funds-for-purposes-of-pushing-an-agenda Ctrl-F, marx, 1 result found
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Whitlam posted:I met with a bunch of firefighters not long ago for work and they said a key issue is that there's no basic skill level or training requirement for CFA volunteers, so sometimes they'll rock up to a job and get helpful people who know what they're doing, and sometimes they get there and find people whose only qualification is that they can drive and live nearby. Mr Chips fucked around with this message at 11:03 on Mar 30, 2018 |
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Bill Posters posted:No they don't. You might be thinking of the SES. Actually, I was thinking of the CFS in SA, who do use white trucks
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Honestly it's pretty sad hearing volunteer firefighters are a problem because having lived in bushfire country when half the sky turned black it's like the goddamn Rescue Heroes showing up
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NTRabbit posted:Actually, I was thinking of the CFS in SA, who do use white trucks Fair enough but I don't think the MFB has too many problems with the SA CFA.
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I just assumed every volunteer rural fire brigade was equipped with white vehicles as a sensible and easy way to differentiate them from professional metropolitan services.
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# ? Mar 30, 2018 11:25 |
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Mr Chips posted:Bloody hell...with the SA CFS you should at weekly meetings for skills/briefings, plus annual equipment skills maintenance. The initial training course is pretty much the same as the MFS initial training course. (Everyone in the hills thinks that Burnside CFS are knobs though.) CFA volunteers try and say this. “Oh we’re just as skilled as the professionals.” And then they turn up to structure fires and don’t have anyone qualified to wear breathing apparatus to go into burning structures. Or they drive trucks to incidents, with no one qualified to use them, so the appliance isn’t able to be used. This has the added effect of stopping the appliance from being able to be used anywhere else. Or they start fires in their local area so they can be the hero. I guess at least it’s not as bad as down in Tasmania when some dickhead actually burned down the local volunteer fire shed with the appliance in it accidentally because he wanted to be the first to the truck and go fight a fire. Mr Chips posted:all ~50,000 CFA volunteers? I've tried to read up on this CFA/UFU thing but it still makes no sense to an outsider. Closer to 30,000. UFU wants consultation. So when the CFA wants to bring in new uniforms/equipment/trucks they’re actually able to be used safely. Rather than the cheapest poo poo on the market like when MFB was supplying firefighters wth flammable personal protective equipment/clothing in the 80s/90s. CFA vols backed up Turnbull in the lead up to 2016 federal election. Turnbull forms government. Passed legislation saying that volunteers are able to object to any clauses in the CFA professional firefighter’s EBA. Hence no EBA is ever going to pass. So the UFU wants one entity for career firefighters, and for the CFA to be volunteer only. Vic Labor backs this position, and hence the ~22 hour legislation debate yesterday.
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fire is revolutionary and anyone who fights it is bourgie scum
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Birdstrike posted:fire is revolutionary and anyone who fights it is bourgie scum A guillotine blade smeared with flammable gel before each strike
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Inescapable Duck posted:Honestly it's pretty sad hearing volunteer firefighters are a problem because having lived in bushfire country when half the sky turned black it's like the goddamn Rescue Heroes showing up Seems more like a few tory poo poo-stirrers claiming to speak for all volunteers while pursuing a partisan agenda. There's no way in hell we can afford to have full-time professional brigades covering remote and rural areas. It does sound like the Vic CFA is a shambles though. Mr Chips fucked around with this message at 12:21 on Mar 30, 2018 |
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If the services of volunteers are required to keep the community safe then they should not be volunteers, they should be paid staff who are fully and comprehensively trained with regular skills maintenance. In my experience, there's no way you can have volunteers commit the required time to get them up to the required standards and keep them there. The end result is: Dude McAwesome posted:And then they turn up to structure fires and dont have anyone qualified to wear breathing apparatus to go into burning structures.
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# ? Mar 30, 2018 12:41 |
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Mr Chips posted:Seems more like a few tory poo poo-stirrers claiming to speak for all volunteers while pursuing a partisan agenda. The CFA isn't 100% volunteer though, it does have paid firefighters. The plan Dandrews wants is for a new service to exist, Fire Rescue Victoria which would be an all professional branch. It would replace the MFB and the paid CFA brigades around the state, bringing the paid and professional outer suburban CFA bridages and the large regional brigades (Geelong, Ballarat, Bendigo, Mildura etc) into the same league as the current MFB ones. And then you'd have CFA for the rest of the state in rural areas which would be volunteer only. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_Rescue_Victoria Fire Rescue Victoria: 82 stations across 14 cities/towns, 3,400 staff Existing MFB: 47 stations in Melbourne inner & middle ring suburbs only. ~2,300 staff Existing CFA: 1220 brigades, 1080 career firefighters, 1000 support staff, 35,500 volunteer firefighters So yeah, it makes sense to combine the paid service which can then be funded and trained to the same level across the state where required. drunkill fucked around with this message at 13:10 on Mar 30, 2018 |
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For context I'm talking about about SA volunteer firefighters, was loving crazy to see Adelaide suburb marked trucks showing up south of Port Lincoln. When your grandma's place is on fire, it's something else. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3-KjoqfsFo&t=15s But yeah, in this country, you need people who'll fight the fires guaranteed by the biome. We can and should pay for them.
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Periphery posted:If the services of volunteers are required to keep the community safe then they should not be volunteers, they should be paid staff who are fully and comprehensively trained with regular skills maintenance. In my experience, there's no way you can have volunteers commit the required time to get them up to the required standards and keep them there. Yours and Dude McAwesome's CFA anecdotes are the polar opposite of my CFS experience. Our small brigade had two 3000l appliances, each with 2-4 breathing apparatus, and >95% of the time we had ~*volunteers*~ available who were competent and certified in their use. We used the breathing kits less for for structural fires than we did for chemical spills (we had 3x as many dangerous chemical spills as structure fires). In my time we spent more 4x more hours on more floods or on vehicle crashes than actual grass fires (and nearly all those fire hours were at one big fire), and always had crews on pager duty who were current in all of the apparatus. drunkill posted:Existing CFA: 1220 brigades, 1080 career firefighters, 1000 support staff, 35,500 volunteer firefighters Mr Chips fucked around with this message at 13:54 on Mar 30, 2018 |
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Matthew Guy literally looks like one of those post-mortem posed photos Victorian families took.
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Reminder that the CFA covers a not insignificant chunk of metropolitan melbourne for reasons passing understanding in the 21st century.Dude McAwesome posted:CFA vols backed up Turnbull in the lead up to 2016 federal election. Turnbull forms government. Passed legislation saying that volunteers are able to object to any clauses in the CFA professional firefighter’s EBA. Hence no EBA is ever going to pass. Like I don't get this, or the legality of it. Isn't this a massive overreach on the part of the Federal government?
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My mother frequently complains to me about her boomer friends. Tonight she had dinner with one of them that thought it was really funny and clever that Matthew Guy had screwed over Andrews by double crossing him on the pairing issue. There's another group she's known for 40 years that keep yelling at her about how great Peter Dutton is and at least those refugees are safe in their accommodation in Nauru. Monthly reminder to kill all boomers
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hiddenmovement posted:My mother frequently complains to me about her boomer friends. Tonight she had dinner with one of them that thought it was really funny and clever that Matthew Guy had screwed over Andrews by double crossing him on the pairing issue. tell her to their heads from their bodies
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CATTASTIC fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Mar 30, 2018 |
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Periphery posted:If the services of volunteers are required to keep the community safe then they should not be volunteers, they should be paid staff who are fully and comprehensively trained with regular skills maintenance. In my experience, there's no way you can have volunteers commit the required time to get them up to the required standards and keep them there. I agree. It's pretty poo poo that the coast guard here is almost entirely volunteers too.
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# ? Mar 30, 2018 19:12 |
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Weird to have the coat of arms on a shopping list. It's not meant to be just slapped onto something to look pretty
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bandaid.friend posted:Weird to have the coat of arms on a shopping list. It's not meant to be just slapped onto something to look pretty There are guidelines, but of course Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet posted:Senators and Federal Members of Parliament may use the Arms in the course of their duties as Parliamentarians. Presumably trying to be reelected is their primary duty.
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Cool if you're out of potatoes just leave it blank and you'll remember.
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Mr Chips posted:I'm pretty confident the majority of volunteers would be fine with a full time professional firefighting and emergency service covering rural and remote areas. Not having to spend 2 hours at the shed on a Monday night or do a 3am callout because someone rolled their car into a gully is a pretty easy thing to sell. The average SA CFS brigade spends ~1000 hours responding to all calls each year, yet at any given moment has a full crew on call. Going by the SA MFS Enterprise Agreement, to cover that with professional firefighters would cost at least 1.2 million per annum. There are about 400 CFS brigades in SA. Sorry, I should have been clearer: my experience is with the Vic SES, not CFA. But I would think there's a pretty big cross-over between the two in terms of training and time limitations of volunteers. From my point of view, I see pretty much nothing that the SES does that couldn't be rolled into either the professional firefighters or police duties - assuming you increase their resources as required. You might need to enlarge the scope of the pro firefighters so they are more of a disaster response agency (which would include man-made and natural disasters) but it shouldn't be a big issue imo. The only part of SES that I think might benefit from volunteers is the real labour intensive things like missing person/evidence searches (actually the polices responsibility but they are way under-resourced most of the time) or things like sand bagging/door knocking during major floods. But you could easily reduce SES volunteers to people trained in that real basic stuff (who would be overseen by paid professionals) and replace the current unit structures with a less time intensive and more spatially dispersed system to cover training etc.
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What’s this in reference to?
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Solemn Sloth posted:
I’m really not looking forward to his inevitable 16 year reign as premier. Brought to you by The Herald Sun and Apex Gang. E: once again I’ve upset someone in here and gotten a new avatar. Things that apparently upset whomever is buying these things: slagging off military “people” and discussing Vic fire services.
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Periphery posted:Sorry, I should have been clearer: my experience is with the Vic SES, not CFA. But I would think there's a pretty big cross-over between the two in terms of training and time limitations of volunteers. It'll come down to more jobs vanishing from the bush and that's not politically viable despite any other good & sensible parts of your plan.
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DancingShade posted:It'll come down to more jobs vanishing from the bush and that's not politically viable despite any other good & sensible parts of your plan. Wouldn't replacing a bunch of volunteers in the bush with paid staff create more jobs though?
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# ? Mar 31, 2018 01:23 |
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The long weekend is off to a good start. Today I learned from an age pensioner that the age pension is not welfare.
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quote:Throwback Thursday: Dutton Rocks The Three-Quarter Cargos From His Undercover Cop Days http://www.betootaadvocate.com/entertainment/throwback-thursday-dutton-rocks-the-three-quarter-cargos-from-his-undercover-cop-days/
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:http://www.betootaadvocate.com/entertainment/throwback-thursday-dutton-rocks-the-three-quarter-cargos-from-his-undercover-cop-days/ Technically, thi's is scaly porn.
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Mr Chips posted:The long weekend is off to a good start. Today I learned from an age pensioner that the age pension is not welfare. What was their reasoning for this? “A lifetime of working hard”?
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Dude McAwesome posted:What was their reasoning for this? “A lifetime of working hard”? Yeah, the reasoning was a mostly bunch of feelings around themes like that. Working through it rationally with them is beyond me - they accept that there are more people looking for work than there are jobs, but apparently the unemployed should be 'trying harder'.
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Exactly this. Whenever I annoy my retiree neighbours about the pension being welfare, the usual retort is “well I paid taxes all my life”
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If you worked so drat hard all your life, why are you on welfare you filthy bludger?
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