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Duplicant posted:Well, someone wrote a program that can identify fake Pollock paintings from real ones: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/now-computer-can-differentiate-between-real-jackson-pollocks-and-fakes-180954300/ Inventing a computer capable of appreciating them I suppose is mildly less infuriating in a weird way. And might actually justify the creation of a computer to make more of them.
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Pope Guilty posted:Guess who's a believer! What I don’t understand is why QAnon doesn’t co-opt already existing programs. I think the FBI program for human trafficking victims is called Polaris, IIRC. Cool name. Also the name of United Airlines new business class product and a nuclear missile program. The only problem was the Obama DOJ ran it.
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QAnon is the belief that the fictional government that agrees with their politics will fight the real government that is moored in reality. Adding reality to the fiction would ruin it.
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quote:[–]NC-Stern-MarkDo you believe in coincidences? - Q 3 points 4 hours ago My stars, the Executive branch is against child prostitution? This must *all* be real then. quote:[–]brittserExpand your thinking. - Q 2 points 2 hours ago
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Apr 1, 2018 05:56
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Uglycat posted:Scale of 1 to 10, how upset would you be to discover that this 'idiots all around' sowing discord in America are, in fact, operatives working on a sophisticated psyops attack funded by russian oligarchs and executed by state actors? This borders on the same "actually everything I don't like about reality is the result of a secret villainous hypersophisticated cabal destroying the world" paranoia that got these idiots started on this track in the first place.
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Apr 1, 2018 05:57
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I hope Trump or his idiot oldest son learns about Qanon and ends up believing it completely.
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Apr 1, 2018 05:59
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Ague Proof posted:I hope Trump or his idiot oldest son learns about Qanon and ends up believing it completely. And they make a half-assed cryptic post about it on Twitter sending the peanut gallery into an absolute loving frenzy.
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^^They are such trolls they will inevitably do it, if only to encourage it.Kinsky posted:This borders on the same "actually everything I don't like about reality is the result of a secret villainous hypersophisticated cabal destroying the world" paranoia that got these idiots started on this track in the first place.
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Apr 1, 2018 06:25
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Kinsky posted:This borders on the same "actually everything I don't like about reality is the result of a secret villainous hypersophisticated cabal destroying the world" paranoia that got these idiots started on this track in the first place. But like, every intelligence agency in the world agrees that Russia has been engaging in sophisticated misinformation psyops all over the world for at least the last decade through social media... It's not crazy paranoia to think that Qanon could just be an extension of that. I mean it's fine if you think that it's more likely to be a basement chud seeking anonymous internet kudos or whatever, but being completely closed off to the idea that it could be part of the larger Russian misinformation campaign that we know for a fact is a thing is pretty odd. I'm certainly open to both possibilities, but it just seems like it being Russia is more likely, IMO, since it fits their M.O. pretty nicely.
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Rape Stink posted:But like, every intelligence agency in the world agrees that Russia has been engaging in sophisticated misinformation psyops all over the world for at least the last decade through social media... It's not crazy paranoia to think that Qanon could just be an extension of that. I mean it's fine if you think that it's more likely to be a basement chud seeking anonymous internet kudos or whatever, but being completely closed off to the idea that it could be part of the larger Russian misinformation campaign that we know for a fact is a thing is pretty odd. I'm certainly open to both possibilities, but it just seems like it being Russia is more likely, IMO, since it fits their M.O. pretty nicely. We do it too. Centcom was doing it during the Arab spring. We were probably doing it first. This is a thing that is happening that nations do now.
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Rape Stink posted:But like, every intelligence agency in the world agrees that Russia has been engaging in sophisticated misinformation psyops all over the world for at least the last decade through social media... It's not crazy paranoia to think that Qanon could just be an extension of that. I mean it's fine if you think that it's more likely to be a basement chud seeking anonymous internet kudos or whatever, but being completely closed off to the idea that it could be part of the larger Russian misinformation campaign that we know for a fact is a thing is pretty odd. I'm certainly open to both possibilities, but it just seems like it being Russia is more likely, IMO, since it fits their M.O. pretty nicely. The scale, scope, and impact of the disinfo campaign are still very much unknown, and the concrete examples we've seen of it are almost entirely random and barely competent rehashes of the same insanity already being parroted by mouth breathers like Alex Jones and Mike Cernovich. Conversely, 4chan, especially /pol/, is and always has been a hotbed for edgelord teenage basement dwellers who have been engaging in this exact breed of bullshit since the early 2000s. Please explain how an elite KGB hacker genius supercell is a more likely culprit than unwashed randos grasping for more drama in their empty lives.
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Kinsky posted:Please explain how an elite KGB hacker genius supercell is a more likely culprit than unwashed randos grasping for more drama in their empty lives. Because they've been doing it on Facebook, Twitter, and other social media for a while now. Not just in the US, but all over Europe as well. They've gotten really good at it, especially at making it look organic. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...n-a8164526.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...m=.f6741767d46d https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...m=.d3e09353f50f https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/12/us/politics/russian-disinformation-aids-fake-news.html
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I'm enjoying that this is my top Google hit for "qanon" and I hope it is for a bunch of Qtards too and is sending them into paroxysms of rage:quote:Who is QAnon? The Storm Conspiracy, Explained - NYMag
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It's too long to post, but the Q arguments in r/conspiracy are just precious: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7sb1x4/qanon_the_storm_the_awakening_and_why_it_should/quote:Whether Q is truly representing the good guys trying to drain the swamp or is an intelligence psych-op to consolidate power, is anybody's guess. However, Q's portrayal in the mainstream media leads me to believe my first assumption. It should not come as a surprise it is lumped in with other conspiracies that many of us believe to be true.[quote] So the argument is that Q *is* a Trump insider, and the things they're predicting are indeed coming true, but their postings are secretly nefarious attempts to pacify the True Truth Seekers and keep them away from yet deeper truths involving Zionists and lord knows what else. The OP had a link to something about "35 world events that Q accurately predicted" but apparently The Deep State killed off that subreddit: quote:CBTS_Stream: banned Fortunately someone saved it on another format: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/949272861969182721.html
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gently caress it, we'll do it live: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/949272861969182721.htmlquote:"35 World Events That Support Q's Posts are True and He is an Insider”— Edited and formatted for Twitter. Also, corrections made. Let’s add supporting links, images, and articles where they are not already included. reddit.com/r/CBTS_Stream/…
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Does Q think the Forbidden City is actually off limits to outsiders or what?
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Apr 1, 2018 08:36
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Mantis42 posted:Does Q think the Forbidden City is actually off limits to outsiders or what? Duh, it's right there in the name. Think, McFly! EDIT: I like Trump's upcoming meeting with North Korea being trumpeted as an astounding victory, when North Korea has been trying to meet with US presidents for several administrations because they want the credibility boost (which Trump is giving them). Photos of Trump and Kim sitting together are going to posted all over the drat nation in North Korea to prove that Kim has forced Trump to the table and is respected as an international leader. The tankies gonna love that poo poo too.
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Mantis42 posted:Does Q think the Forbidden City is actually off limits to outsiders or what? By my estimates there's a 76.6% (repeating, of course) chance he thinks China is still an actual communist state.
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Gen. Ripper posted:By my estimates there's a 76.6% (repeating, of course) chance he thinks China is still an actual communist state. Holy poo poo, you still have the av I bought you. I was so drat drunk when I bought that, but I'm glad you're (apparently) enjoying it. It was based on some actual post I saw on a right-wing forum somewhere.
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Some galaxy brain for you: it is not Russian basement chuds on payroll but Saudi chuds trying to throw some good PR for MBS and his cool, good and modern anti-globalist strategy.
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Gen. Ripper posted:By my estimates there's a 76.6% (repeating, of course) chance he thinks China is still an actual communist state. Yeah, but so do the tankies
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fatherboxx posted:Some galaxy brain for you: it is not Russian basement chuds on payroll but Saudi chuds trying to throw some good PR for MBS and his cool, good and modern anti-globalist strategy. *Unless you were living outside of the USA, then they were American.
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quote:② Q sent a pic of Harrisburg, PA that looks like it was taken from 3 mile Island, a Nuke plant off limits to the public located on the island. #QAnon /9 I couldn't get past this one because that would be quite the accomplishment.  That's like 12 miles away, minimum.
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just for fun here's what that would look like the view might even be blocked by that hill if you were on the ground
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quote:⑩ Antifa/Riots no showed! Q had posted about riots and plan to declare martial law & National Guard was already activated, meaning the president could take control of them directly if civil unrest broke out. Q later said this was a threat to them and they backed off. #QAnon /18
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quote:㉝ Did the original Reddit poster leave out this number because of its dark esoteric meaning? #QAnon /52 No wait, this might be the best one.  e: also good quote:⑳ Q said a lot of MS-13 gang members would be arrested. In fairness, several arrests were made before Q started posting. If a LARP wanted to appear as an insider, would he have gambled on even more arrests or said that they were probably done?#QAnon /34 Q said a thing would happen, but it was already happening, and is still happening, therefore Polygynous fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Apr 1, 2018 |
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Rape Stink posted:Because they've been doing it on Facebook, Twitter, and other social media for a while now. Not just in the US, but all over Europe as well. They've gotten really good at it, especially at making it look organic. First off, this is 4chan, which is hardly the nexus of activity pretty much any social media platform is. Second, nothing about this looks organic, lol. It's precisely the super awkward and melodramatic half-assed spy novel bullshit style that identifies this dude as a channer. Cool articles though (seriously, they were interesting reads).
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Kinsky posted:nothing about this looks organic, lol. It's precisely the super awkward and melodramatic half-assed spy novel bullshit style that identifies this dude as a channer. So Qanon posts look like channer speak on a chan and that somehow doesn't seem organic because it's exactly how people talk on chans? Also if it's not organic sounding, isn't the implication then that it is in fact some sort of outside actor doing it for personal gain? Or are you saying that chan speak is some elite coded linguistic style that Russian cointel ops -- who have been working on disinformation campaigns all over the world for years -- are just incapable of mimicking? Or that they just don't "get" the internet even though their entire operation is predicated upon them understanding the landscape of social media and the culture of it's users? With all the successes they've had over the past few years with these campaigns you can be sure they are making a sizable resource investment in it. It's a much bigger op than just GRU interns Sergei and Yuri sitting on their laptops randomly trolling twitter users in broken english. As far as 4chan not being a nexus of activity (even though it gets upwards of 25 million unique users every month), there's no reason for them not to use the chan scene as an attack vector since the userbase is loaded with exactly the type of person disinfo campaigns actively target, and there is a minimal investment when compared to the potential reward. Especially on the pol and x boards where gullible dimwits are more likely to pick up their message and signal boost it to other gullible dimwits in their same gullible dimwit circles. I'm not saying that Qanon is definitely part of the the Russian disinfo campaign, there's a good chance it's not, but dismissing it outright -- and aggressively so -- when it fits the Russian M.O. perfectly is just weird.
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Rape Stink posted:I'm not saying that Qanon is definitely part of the the Russian disinfo campaign, there's a good chance it's not, but dismissing it outright -- and aggressively so -- when it fits the Russian M.O. perfectly is just weird. It doesn't fit the known Russian MO, though. From what we've seen of other Russian troll operations, they tend to directly advocate certain points of view, with doctored evidence to support it and meme-type pictures that are easy to share on social media. They don't beat around the bush with this secret codeword decipherment crap; they post stuff designed to directly appeal to Trumpists or whatever and alienate everybody else. Think "America is for Americans only, everybody else out!" memes or photoshopped pictures of the Parkland kids ripping up the Constitution. The emphasis is on stuff that's easily shareable and that ultimately drives people apart, not on something that takes a ton of time investment for "deciphering" it. You're claiming that Russia is behind QAnon just because QAnon's a troll and Russia has run trolling operations. That's not exactly a strong foundation, especially when there are other explanations. Yes, RT has talked about it, but RT loves conspiracy theories in general - again, because it helps promote a sort of general atmosphere of distrust and "who knows what the truth really is?" They don't need to bother creating their own conspiracy theories, because there are plenty of crazy people out there making their own. The QAnon stuff sounds a lot more like somebody wanting to be the 4chan equivalent of a GBS superstar: they're undoubtedly putting a lot of effort into it, but it's the kind of thing that a single person with a bunch of free time could do because they want to have an internet forum hanging on their every word. Good ARG gibberish isn't effortless, but it's also not something that would take some nation-state level effort.
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Also does it really matter whether Russia is behind it or not? The problem remains that clearly there is an abundance of right wing lunatics out there ready to believe anything and that's not an invention of Russia.
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Space Gopher posted:It doesn't fit the known Russian MO, though. Isn't that exactly what Qanons posts do though? There's clearly a singular point of view considering there's really no way to decipher them that doesn't make Trump look like a superhero working behind the scenes to conquer all the Trumpists enemies. It hits on a ton of alt right hot button issues and has a clear appeal to the right, it's obviously easily shareable considering how much it's spread, and it serves to further alienate MAGA chuds from reality and foster the ongoing divide within American politics. Seems to me like it fits the Russian MO pretty well. Space Gopher posted:
Calling what Russia has been doing a "troll operation" is pretty disingenuous. It's a clearly focused, highly organized, state run disinformation and propaganda campaign. And saying that it's just someone doing it to be a chan superstar isn't exactly a strong foundation either. Again, I never claimed Russia is definitely behind QAnon, I'm saying that I don't see how the possibility can be hand waved away so easily. SEGA Ass Fisting fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Apr 2, 2018 |
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OwlFancier posted:Also does it really matter whether Russia is behind it or not? Nope. quote:The problem remains that clearly there is an abundance of right wing lunatics out there ready to believe anything and that's not an invention of Russia. Yep.
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OwlFancier posted:Also does it really matter whether Russia is behind it or not? The problem remains that clearly there is an abundance of right wing lunatics out there ready to believe anything and that's not an invention of Russia. Presuming Q is not real there are good aspects (with the bad ones) of leading the lunatic right astray.
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In March the Daily Dot came out with some great historical precedent for QAnon: The QAnon conspiracy isn’t new; it’s the oldest scam out there The article draws comparison to two big conspiracies of the 90s-00s, the NESARA/Omni scam, and the Iraqi Dinar scam. -- NESARA was a proposed financial reform from a 1990s book called, wait for it... Draining the Swamp. It involved the standard libertarian spank-bank of eliminating the Federal Reserve, banning interest on loans, forgiving all consumer debt, national sales tax, and of course going back on the gold standard. A new-age cultist called "Dove of Oneness" started promoting Omega Bonds, run by a scammer named Clyde Hood, which somehow involved buying bonds that were magically supported by European currencies and somehow tied to NESARA, that would "roll over" and make their owners millions. Hood pimped these bonds, and Dove ran around the Internet including Yahoo Groups and talked them up with a combination of financial millennialism, UFO cults, globalist conspiracies and general "stuff the US government doesn't want you to know." When Hood went down for scamming $12.5 million, Dove dropped him like a bad habit, basically Stalin-style accused him of revisionism, and continued to work seemingly full-time on hyping up NESARA and Omega online. She started accepting donations, and then went way the gently caress off the rails with conspiracy theories, particularly after 9/11 happened (she claimed it was a controlled demolition). Dove hit her peak in the mid-2000s, chilled out slightly, then got slammed with a bunch of IRS liens and died broke in 2010. -- The Iraqi Dinar scam I remember personally, since way back before it became an Internet Thing. There was a trend among US military personnel in Iraq (which may well have been totally organic) of buying up physical stacks of Saddam-era Iraqi dinars (which were next to worthless) in anticipation that like after the '91 Gulf War the dinar would be somehow revalued and make everyone rich. This was goofy enough when it was just troops buying duffel-bags full of dinar off of Iraqi contractors working on the base (who I'm sure were ecstatic to trade Monopoly money for hard currency), but years later it exploded online, and people weren't buying literal bags of dinar so much a investing in scam artists who claimed to be somehow invested in the dinar revaluation and planning to pay their investors millions once the magic hit. I am not an economist, but the DD article makes clear that currency revaluations don't magically create wealth, instead they just turn into Weimar-esque death spirals, and/or leave people holding a lot of funds that they can't even trade in for the new currency. But that didn't stop folks from running around forums, Facebook, and early-stage Twitter hyping the dinar, and promising that the revaluation that would make everyone rich was "just around the corner". Add to this yet more shadowy government conspiracies, claims that Bill Gates and Warren Buffet were savvy and holding billions of dollars worth of Iraqi dinar, etc. The dinar thing picked up momentum after the 2007-2008 financial crisis, when people were desperately looking for get-rich-quick to make back the money they'd lost. Eventually the feds got involved, various dinar hustlers were jailed, but there are still twits out there pulling the "any day now" as recently as March 2018 for the date when war-torn and chaotic Iraq will somehow become a major producer of global wealth. This is the high-points, but the article is overall worth a read, since basically Q is recycling a lot of old material, including almost exact parallels to the "sealed indictments" rumor that's so important to Qtards because it promises them that all the mean bad people are going to be punished and the white hats vindicated. TapTheForwardAssist fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Apr 2, 2018 |
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Did Q push the 'hillary kilt seth' narrative? Surely yes, but I've not been following myself...
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Bip Roberts posted:Presuming Q is not real there are good aspects (with the bad ones) of leading the lunatic right astray. I mean I don't know if further radicalizing them and making them really supporting of the republican right is necessarily "leading them astray"
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Yea, the Daily Dot article is a good read. I hadn't even heard of Nesara before it. It's actually in the original OP but I think I should have wrote it better, oh well.
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:Duh, it's right there in the name. Think, McFly! This made me laugh really hard, so thanks for that.
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