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What are public estimates of CEP derived from? Can you rely solely on hard-ish open source evidence like the looks of the missile in the fluff pics and videos or do some special sauce guesstimates about the state of the Russian semiconductor industry or whatever go into it?
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But we can't have a missile gap! Privatize the ICBMs, award Musk the new contract and the right and left will both be happy as we await our fiery destruction.
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orange juche posted:Paradoxically enough, both the R-36M and the RS-28 are leaps and bounds ahead of what the US has as far as land-based missile technology. They are, giving Russia credit for every optimistic press blurb, roughly equivalent with Peacekeeper. So, technology wise they are not leaps and bounds ahead. Currently fielded capability? Sure. The Minuteman fleet has undergone some recent guidance and propulsion modernization so they aren't that far off other than throw weight. Murgos fucked around with this message at 13:12 on Apr 2, 2018 |
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Apr 2, 2018 13:09
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Plinkey posted:I'm going to London for about a week later this year is the royal air force museum worth the trip and how much time to plan there? We were looking at possible doing that Harry Potter studio tour and hit the museum on the way back. DesperateDan posted:Duxford or Hendon? Duxford is definitely a whole day affair, Hendon isn't quite so large and I don't think you pay to get in. I'm getting dragged to the harry potter thing later this year and it's not a full day but is apparently great if you love the series. I hate it, but I used it to secure a day at duxford later this year I've never been to Duxford, but Hendon is easy to get to on the tube (our metro system). You just need a short bus ride or slightly longer walk at the other end. Timewise, you could easily do it in a leisurely afternoon.
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aphid_licker posted:What are public estimates of CEP derived from? Can you rely solely on hard-ish open source evidence like the looks of the missile in the fluff pics and videos or do some special sauce guesstimates about the state of the Russian semiconductor industry or whatever go into it? Looks don't help much towards CEP and most public figures are either estimations based on the maturity of a country's rocket industry combined with a number of factors (like guidance type(s) etc) or simply de-classified historic data. The Russians have some pretty accurate rockets. The Americans have the most accurate. Since the late 70s / early 80s, accuracy became a non issue for both. Personally, I really liked the way the Soviets approached the TOPOL project. That particular one was nasty, in that it was both very mobile and quick to launch. A couple of examples. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIzXI-mlJjs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyRyAIAM2-c The way the cover is designed to smack the TEL while disengaging is simply too Russian.
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Apr 2, 2018 14:15
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Another one that was too Russian, was the Molodets. Especially the express version. Here, with the appropriate music too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoKkOocaPls
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Apr 2, 2018 14:22
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Duxford isn't really available via public transport, but it is really worth trying to get there. EDIT: 20min cab from Cambridge station.
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Apr 2, 2018 14:28
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i really had no idea anyone thought "tar baby" was racist.
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Apr 2, 2018 14:48
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I think I was able to get to Duxford by bus back in 2010.
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Apr 2, 2018 15:03
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bewbies posted:i really had no idea anyone thought "tar baby" was racist. Its transmission from oral to written and its popularization are more fraught with appropriation and caricaturing issues than a lot of other African American cultural contributions.
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bewbies posted:i really had no idea anyone thought "tar baby" was racist. I've only heard it used as one of the most expressly racist terms ever. I'm in my 30s and had no idea there was a "legit" meaning for it until the last page or so.
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Apr 2, 2018 15:18
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Dante80 posted:Looks don't help much towards CEP and most public figures are either estimations based on the maturity of a country's rocket industry combined with a number of factors (like guidance type(s) etc) or simply de-classified historic data. What are all those explosions that go off as the rocket leaves the tube about?
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Apr 2, 2018 15:27
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So is the TEL manned during launch or are the crew laying in cover half a mike away hoping not to die?
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Barcley posted:What are all those explosions that go off as the rocket leaves the tube about? These are pyrotechnic charges, separating the sabot parts (that keep the rocket firmly attached to the tube) from the rocket body. Valtonen posted:So is the TEL manned during launch or are the crew laying in cover half a mike away hoping not to die? It is not a good idea to stay close to an ICBM TEL, when it is firing. The sound alone is enough to kill you. Those things are big enough to send things to orbit (the first TOPOL video was a satellite launch actually, from a converted rocket). Dante80 fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Apr 2, 2018 |
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Apr 2, 2018 15:36
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bewbies posted:i really had no idea anyone thought "tar baby" was racist. Everything is racist.
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bewbies posted:i really had no idea anyone thought "tar baby" was racist. I remember being confused when a Jewish girl I went to high school got mad that someone said "gypped." Some of the old timey nose art was shockingly racist though: 
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bewbies posted:i really had no idea anyone thought "tar baby" was racist. Same, I knew it from the br'er rabbit books, and so somebody saying "let's not hit the tar baby here" as a reference to a br'er rabbit story made perfect sense to me
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Apr 2, 2018 16:31
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SimonCat posted:I remember being confused when a Jewish girl I went to high school got mad that someone said "gypped." Did she think the word applied to her, or was she standing up for the Roma?
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Also, because we're in the worst timeline, Putin funds a motorcycle gang to raise hell
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joat mon posted:Did she think the word applied to her, or was she standing up for the Roma? She compared it to saying "jewed."
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SimonCat posted:She compared it to saying "jewed."
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Nebakenezzer posted:Same, I knew it from the br'er rabbit books, and so somebody saying "let's not hit the tar baby here" as a reference to a br'er rabbit story made perfect sense to me Also the tar baby story is an adaptation of an African folk tale.
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Apr 2, 2018 16:59
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Yeah, the Russians actually call it "Sarmat." NATO called it SATAN and the new one SATAN 2 because their throw weight is insane and they can carry one huge city/mountain-destroying warhead or evidently up to "dozens" of smaller MIRVs accompanied by a sickening amount of decoys. They've been sunsetting the older SS-18s by using them as small satellite launch vehicles. Well, poo poo, I'll have to update my design...
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chitoryu12 posted:Also the tar baby story is an adaptation of an African folk tale. The story itself has nothing to do with race. But then racists decided that drawing the tar baby as a black kid was a great idea. Just google image search it and you’ll get “interesting” results.
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Apr 2, 2018 17:28
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I had no idea "spook" was a racial term. Found out the hard way when I mentioned a lot of spooks from Ft Meade lived near me and it led to a very confusing conversation
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Smiling Jack posted:I had no idea "spook" was a racial term. lmao Edit: Someone hasn't watched Gran Torino
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That Works posted:lmao Gran Toronio cane out like a decade after this incident
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Smiling Jack posted:Gran Toronio cane out like a decade after this incident Or Back to the Future!
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Smiling Jack posted:I had no idea "spook" was a racial term. I had the same thing happen when I moved to Des Moines and people referred to ground Italian sausage sandwiches as "guinea grinders."
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Apr 2, 2018 17:46
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It's not uncommon to see a Wap or Wop salad on the menu in New Orleans restaurants. Or at least it was 10-12 years ago. It's an italian salad.
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Apr 2, 2018 17:47
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You can order Jewish Coonass in New Orleans, I recently learned. Recommended!
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Apr 2, 2018 17:49
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Dante80 posted:It is not a good idea to stay close to an ICBM TEL, when it is firing. The sound alone is enough to kill you. Those things are big enough to send things to orbit (the first TOPOL video was a satellite launch actually, from a converted rocket). So how do they fire these things? Is it a timer, or do they set up everything up, then run 500 yards away and pull out a remote with (What I have to assume is) a comically over-sized red button to press.
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How important is that 10 m CEP when you're slinging nukes? I doubt a nuclear war would be counterforce only with achievement points given out for being able to nail a launch shaft as it opens.
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mlmp08 posted:The story itself has nothing to do with race. But then racists decided that drawing the tar baby as a black kid was a great idea. Just google image search it and you’ll get “interesting” results. Yeah, it's pretty much the valknut, aka Wotan's knot. Where it started was completely innocuous, but now, um, don't wear a T-shirt with a valknut on it.
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JcDent posted:How important is that 10 m CEP when you're slinging nukes? I doubt a nuclear war would be counterforce only with achievement points given out for being able to nail a launch shaft as it opens. Its more to nail the missile defense radars I'd assume. Also bunkers.
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Godholio posted:I've only heard it used as one of the most expressly racist terms ever. I'm in my 30s and had no idea there was a "legit" meaning for it until the last page or so. This.
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hobbesmaster posted:Its more to nail the missile defense radars I'd assume. Also bunkers. Bunkers. Specifically the opponents silos. A 10m CEP can be construed as an offensive weapon. Specifically, Russia likes to construe Trident IIs with a theoretical stealthy-ish launch and possibly very short travel time as being able to destroy their ability to retaliate and is hence an offensive weapon that destabilizes the nuclear community. e: When paired with the USs limited ICBM intercept capability to handle the ones missed in the 'pre-emptive' strike you can see why they might think that. Murgos fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Apr 2, 2018 |
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If you want to take out a silo you have to hit it more or less, not just get close.
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JcDent posted:How important is that 10 m CEP when you're slinging nukes? I doubt a nuclear war would be counterforce only with achievement points given out for being able to nail a launch shaft as it opens.
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