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Wild Horses posted:Killing the big stupid wunderwaffe (both of them!) of the first order should do more to inspire resistance than whatever luke did at the end Both will.
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thrawn527 posted:Both will. Ya. Unless JJ is planning on going arthouse levels of insane with the next movie, the obvious plot is going to be how the First Order, particularly with Kylo in charge, will overreach and be unpopular after blowing up 5 planets and then forcibly conquering the civilized worlds and the galaxy will rise up and "burn the First Order down" or something hokey. The key question will then be whether Rey is strong enough to redeem Kylo as he becomes more and more unhinged and detached.
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Apr 2, 2018 21:15
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AndyElusive posted:The problem with the bomber sequence in TLJ is that everyone who's been critical of the scene has probably played their fair share of X-Wing or TIE Fighter on PC thus making them an expert on how that entire situation should have panned out. heavy bombs, gently caress those space platforms up
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Apr 2, 2018 22:11
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I see there's been a new petition up. This one is "cast Meryl Streep as Princess Leia".
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Apr 2, 2018 22:13
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I never thought of this before, but I wonder why that over-sized bomber squadron didn't just meet the rest of the Resistance wherever they were supposed to be heading instead of coming back to where they were evacuating from? Although I guess if they hadn't, that Dreadnought thing would have supposedly wiped everything out.
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Apr 2, 2018 22:14
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Probably don't have hyperdrives or something like that.
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Apr 2, 2018 22:36
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Schwarzwald posted:I have no idea who is arguing with who, but: Except she's shown to be wrong in the next scene. If they run away without destroying the artillery ship then it follows them through hyperspace with the rest of the imperial fleet and blows them up from standoff range.
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Apr 2, 2018 23:06
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AndyElusive posted:The problem with the bomber sequence in TLJ is that everyone who's been critical of the scene has probably played their fair share of X-Wing or TIE Fighter on PC thus making them an expert on how that entire situation should have panned out. or anyone who saw 5 Y-wings disable a Star Destroyer with ion torps in about 5 seconds in Rogue One
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Apr 2, 2018 23:14
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Goal: Don't watch STar Wars IX Success: Just don't watch it Failure: Watch it Partial success/compromise: Watch it but get drunk and yell at the screen until I'm kicked out
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Apr 2, 2018 23:37
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Caros posted:Except she's shown to be wrong in the next scene. If they run away without destroying the artillery ship then it follows them through hyperspace with the rest of the imperial fleet and blows them up from standoff range. Poe is given several opportunities to explain his insubordination, but he never argues that it was necessary for their survival. Moreover, the First Order is chasing the Resistance with several fleets. If a gun ship could have shot down the Resistance ships at that range, one of them would have. Based purely from what is shown in the film, Poe made the wrong call. Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Apr 3, 2018 |
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Apr 2, 2018 23:37
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Alternate success: Sneak in so they don't get my money
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Apr 2, 2018 23:39
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How did insubordinate Poe convince every single pilot in the Resistance to follow him and disobey orders from Leia? This is nonsense. The answer is that, actually, he was sortied by the command structure to do exactly what he did. This is reinforced by the fact that the Resistance is frighteningly incompetent, and no one respects Leia enough to come help her out.
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Apr 2, 2018 23:49
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Wheat Loaf posted:I see there's been a new petition up. This one is "cast Meryl Streep as Princess Leia". Its time to move on. The only OT characters allowed now are droids and force ghosts.
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Apr 3, 2018 01:55
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The resistance is so brilliant they didn't even bother to build a military after taking power and didn't notice the first order build an limitless large one at the same time
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Apr 3, 2018 02:05
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The resistance was never in power. The republic was.
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kidkissinger posted:The resistance is so brilliant they didn't even bother to build a military after taking power and didn't notice the first order build an limitless large one at the same time It's literally a plot point in the first sequel film that the First Order nuked most of the Republic's fleet with Starkiller.
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AndyElusive posted:The problem with the bomber sequence in TLJ is that everyone who's been critical of the scene has probably played their fair share of X-Wing or TIE Fighter on PC thus making them an expert on how that entire situation should have panned out. drat right. 
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Schwarzwald posted:Poe is given several opportunities to explain his insubordination, but he never argues that it was necessary for their survival. Moreover, the First Order is chasing the Resistance with sever fleets. If a gun ship could have shot down the Resistance ships at that range, one of them would have. Yeah nothing in the film suggests that the spaceship Poe kills would have crippled the fleet any more than it already was. I dunno the specs of that ship but the movie flat out says Poe was wrong, hell it’s kind of a theme. Later on, the resistance transports only get found and killed because of Finn and Rose’s dumb hotshot plan. Holdo’s plan would have worked if Benicio del Toro didn’t do... whatever he did. Dunno how exactly he knew to Scan for Cloaked Ships or whatever.
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Apr 3, 2018 05:20
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Pook Good Mook posted:Ya. Unless JJ is planning on going arthouse levels of insane with the next movie, the obvious plot is going to be how the First Order, particularly with Kylo in charge, will overreach and be unpopular after blowing up 5 planets and then forcibly conquering the civilized worlds and the galaxy will rise up and "burn the First Order down" or something hokey. The key question will then be whether Rey is strong enough to redeem Kylo as he becomes more and more unhinged and detached. I really don't see how they're going to redeem Kylo now that Leia isn't going to be in the movie. If they do it'll be Real Bad probably.
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Apr 3, 2018 05:25
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Schwarzwald posted:Poe is given several opportunities to explain his insubordination, but he never argues that it was necessary for their survival. Moreover, the First Order is chasing the Resistance with sever fleets. If a gun ship could have shot down the Resistance ships at that range, one of them would have. The gun ship literally destroyed their entire base which was on the surface of the planet, so yes it had greater range / more powerful cannons.
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Apr 3, 2018 05:28
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:if Benicio del Toro didn’t do... whatever he did. Dunno how exactly he knew to Scan for Cloaked Ships or whatever. This is the only actual plot hole of the movie I think. Because Rose and Finn weren't even aware of Holdo's plan, I'm pretty sure? Unless we are to assume that Poe told Finn via communicator off-screen.
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Apr 3, 2018 05:31
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BarronsArtGallery posted:I really don't see how they're going to redeem Kylo now that Leia isn't going to be in the movie. If they do it'll be Real Bad probably. I don't see how Kylo can be redeemed and live. I can't imagine how much not having Leia messed up the plans for 9.
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Apr 3, 2018 05:32
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Goal: Don't watch STar Wars IX Look, the Last Jedi was loving awful but I kinda sorta want to see what they do with Kylo Ren and Rey.
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Apr 3, 2018 05:36
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BarronsArtGallery posted:This is the only actual plot hole of the movie I think. Because Rose and Finn weren't even aware of Holdo's plan, I'm pretty sure? There's a shot while they're on the way to Snoke's ship when Poe is telling them the plan to evac on shuttles and Del Toro overheard.
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Apr 3, 2018 06:06
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Criticizing the space tactics is so weird to me. Star wars space fleet engagements work like the space fleet veteran commanders say it does because reasons. It has never made sense. Well throughout the Star Wars movies the space battles have been basically World War II naval and aerial battles and this seems to continue into the new movies (Rogue One, someone mentioned taking out a Star Destroyer with some Y wings. That’s p much sinking the Bismarck with torpedo planes. Also in TLJ it’s still that same sort of thing including the loving arching artillery shots) so I don’t see why we shouldn’t think of them as such and apply that reasoning to the space battles in the movie. Of course also the reason why stuff doesn’t make sense is because it’s a movie and they’re not thinking of tech poo poo or actual strategy just how it moves the plot along.
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Dr.Radical posted:Well throughout the Star Wars movies the space battles have been basically World War II naval and aerial battles and this seems to continue into the new movies (Rogue One, someone mentioned taking out a Star Destroyer with some Y wings. That’s p much sinking the Bismarck with torpedo planes. Also in TLJ it’s still that same sort of thing including the loving arching artillery shots) so I don’t see why we shouldn’t think of them as such and apply that reasoning to the space battles in the movie. Of course also the reason why stuff doesn’t make sense is because it’s a movie and they’re not thinking of tech poo poo or actual strategy just how it moves the plot along. Edgar Allen Ho posted:Criticizing the space tactics is so weird to me. Star wars space fleet engagements work like the space fleet veteran commanders say it does because reasons. It has never made sense. J.R.R. Tolkien wisely said in that essay of his that it wasn't important whether something was fantastical/unrealistic/impossible etc. in a fantasy story, but that it was fantastical/unrealistic/impossible in a consistent way. Yes space combat has never been portrayed like anything approaching realism in any Star Wars film, but part of what made the universe feel "real" was how things followed the universes own logic. People complain about the bombers because we've seen bombers in multiple installments and thus the Resistance bombers make no drat sense. The Hyperspace ramming likewise doesn't jive with how things have worked before, nor do the arcing shots, or the entire conceit of the chase etc. It's hard to get invested in a story where you can't depend on anything to matter because the rules will change in the next scene.
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we've seen bombers before so bombers existing in TLJ don't make sense  TLJ takes to the logical conclusion everything that is said or shown about hyperspace in the previous movies so obviously it can't happen The death star can focus 8 beams into 1 big beam so lasers can't arc in space
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Jerkface posted:we've seen bombers before so bombers existing in TLJ don't make sense You're being willfully obtuse.
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Apr 3, 2018 10:53
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It's funny in what I think is the main doc on the bluray Hamill is basically saying "I hated what Rian has done to the character but im getting paid and I'll do my best to represent this." 3 separate times too! Good doc though - not enough of Adam Driver though. Guess he's super busy still.
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Apr 3, 2018 14:17
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Vintersorg posted:It's funny in what I think is the main doc on the bluray Hamill is basically saying "I hated what Rian has done to the character but im getting paid and I'll do my best to represent this." 3 separate times too! It actually is really great that they included that. An honest description of how he felt, and how the movie came to be what it was. Far less sanitized than the TFA making of doc, which was basically, "Isn't it so cool we're making Star Wars again?" People take Hamill's comments as a condemnation of the film, but they're really not. He just described his journey of how making this movie went for him. He came to the table disagreeing, but put himself into the hands of the director. That's compelling, to me, and doesn't speak at all to what he thought of the end product.
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thrawn527 posted:It actually is really great that they included that. An honest description of how he felt, and how the movie came to be what it was. Far less sanitized than the TFA making of doc, which was basically, "Isn't it so cool we're making Star Wars again?" This is a very common brain disorder. When confronted with data contrary to one's worldview, create an explanation that presents the contradiction as some sort of subversive trick that makes you feel smart for knowing the real truth.
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Corky Romanovsky posted:This is a very common brain disorder. When confronted with data contrary to one's worldview, create an explanation that presents the contradiction as some sort of subversive trick that makes you feel smart for knowing the real truth. Inventing reasons to see anyone who disagrees with you as mentally ill is even more common and pernicious. Exhibit a: this poster just diagnosed a "brain disorder" on the basis of an opinion about a Star Wars Blu-Ray special feature.
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Hodgepodge posted:Inventing reasons to see anyone who disagrees with you as mentally ill is even more common and pernicious. Come now, it is simply a proud tradition of this very thread. Go back to last December and I remember there was a post where some goon said everyone who liked TLJ was brain-damaged. 
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Caros posted:You're being willfully obtuse. not really, the points are stupid. the fact that tie bombers or ywings in extended canon exist doesnt mean there would not be a heavy bomber type ship in star wars. the flying fortress bomber archetype has not yet been fully explored within the universe and a bomber which is slow, fragile, and requires close escort is a cool addition. notice that in rogue 1 ywings did not devastate an isd or the space platform despite there being 20 of them so we even have some inuniverse justification for an ultra heavy bomber. The extended universe was always at its funnest when it was creating incredibly niche fighter designs too. there have been tons of different types of lasers in star wars, the death star being chief among the doesnt make sense poo poo. theres guns that shoot circley energy rings, the droid tanks whose main gun is affected by gravity, the energy bombs dropped by the tie bombers which fall like real bombs. the gigantic arcing plasma blasts were awesome. Were people similarly annoyed that none of the imperial ships just hyperjumped ahead of the falcon on any of its big chases? instead they were content to treat the moment as an actual linear chase in space which they should. getting deep into tactilol on star wars is a fools errand.
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Why didn't the rebels just fly straight at the exhaust port?
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Poe should have just ejected into space and restarted the entire mission once he lost the first Resistance Bomber and tried the entire mission over again.
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Apr 3, 2018 21:25
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Wheat Loaf posted:I see there's been a new petition up. This one is "cast Meryl Streep as Princess Leia". Cast Mark Hamill as Leia
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Apr 3, 2018 21:37
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Davros1 posted:Cast Mark Hamill as Leia andy serkis
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Davros1 posted:Cast Mark Hamill as Leia Leia should be played by a CGI re-creation of the late Majel Barrett.
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