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Expect My Mom
Nov 18, 2013

by Smythe
literally the only people he knew in his life were yakuza-men.

i dont even think he went to school

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univbee
Jun 3, 2004




Expect My Mom posted:

literally the only people he knew in his life were yakuza-men.

i dont even think he went to school

You'd think Akiyama had at least heard of usury.

"Oh yeah, I give interest-free loans."

"Wait, how do you make money, then?"

"......I'm sorry, what do you mean?"

univbee fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Apr 3, 2018

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

Yakuza are bad people, I don’t like them.

univbee
Jun 3, 2004




Jay Rust posted:

Yakuza are bad people, I don’t like them.

Neither does the entire nation of Japan. You are persona non grata basically anywhere if you have tattoos, or happen to be missing the pinky finger on your left hand.

Motto
Aug 3, 2013

tbf Kiryu isn't ever "actually" a yakuza for more than a tiny part of any of the games. Both 0 and 1 start with him getting outed through conspiracy or circumstance.

e: which is probably why in Japan the games are named after him ("Like a Dragon") rather than the yakuza.

univbee
Jun 3, 2004




Motto posted:

tbf Kiryu isn't ever "actually" a yakuza for more than a tiny part of any of the games. Both 0 and 1 start with him getting outed through conspiracy or circumstance.

And most of at least the later games have him vehemently denying being in the Yakuza for various reasons.

oddium
Feb 21, 2006

end of the 4.5 tatami age

who's the yakuza who looks like kazuya from tekken. he might have an eyepatch too i don't remember

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

univbee posted:

Neither does the entire nation of Japan. You are persona non grata basically anywhere if you have tattoos, or happen to be missing the pinky finger on your left hand.

I didn’t know about that pinky thing. There’s probably a decent comedy to be made about some hapless chef or something who cuts off his finger by accident, then gets swept away into the wacky world of the Yakuza politics and intrigue

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014

Nina posted:

Somehow I had no idea the lead designer on Telltale's Batman is Michael Kirkbride of all people. Does that game at least have good writing?
I only played the first season. I thought the first three episodes were pretty solid and had a really interesting riff on the Batman mythos. In this version of the story Thomas and Martha Wayne were criminals and the entire Wayne family fortune was gotten through illegal gangstering, and a lot of the rest of the game is about Bruce Wayne learning about this for the first time and coming to terms with what exactly it means for his vast wealth to be coming from a fundamentally evil place and for his parents to be not what he thought they were. Eventually the public learns about all of this too, which leads to some interesting bits. It was a pretty refreshing post-Occupy spin on the story.

The actual parts where you're Batmanning around are kind of dull though and I felt like the last two episodes of the first season focused more on that than the more interesting Bruce Wayne parts, on top of the writing just seeming a little shakier in these two episodes in general.

Motto
Aug 3, 2013

oddium posted:

who's the yakuza who looks like kazuya from tekken. he might have an eyepatch too i don't remember

Kiryu has the slicked back hair, Majima has the eyepatch.

univbee
Jun 3, 2004




Jay Rust posted:

I didn’t know about that pinky thing. There’s probably a decent comedy to be made about some hapless chef or something who cuts off his finger by accident, then gets swept away into the wacky world of the Yakuza politics and intrigue

I would imagine even if you royally hosed up as a chef you'd probably only lose the tip of the finger and not the whole thing down to the knuckle, or would be more likely to mess up with your other, longer fingers. I think it's when you're missing fingers from the left pinky "upwards" that it arouses scrutiny.

Jonathan Ross' Japanorama BBC series had them interviewing an ex-Yakuza who was missing two fingers and who paid several thousand US for functionally useless prosthetic fingers that looked extremely realistic, specifically because people kept giving him a hard time about being in the Yakuza (even though the only reason he had cut off those fingers was specifically to be able to leave the Yakuza). He even had multiples that were different shades to match how tanned he was at different times of the year.

Help Im Alive
Nov 8, 2009

Something Awful can't last forever, maybe we could all join the Yakuza to stay in touch

Dr Cheeto
Mar 2, 2013
Wretched Harp
I made a really bad post and now I gotta cut my pinky off :cry:

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014

Dr Cheeto posted:

I made a really bad post and now I gotta cut my pinky off :cry:
With your medical expertise you should be able to reattach it though?

univbee
Jun 3, 2004




Dr Cheeto posted:

I made a really bad post and now I gotta cut my pinky off :cry:

Lost fingat ritual.

Raxivace posted:

With your medical expertise you should be able to reattach it though?

It will be perpetually covered in orange cheese dust, though, a fate worse than losing it outright.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Help Im Alive posted:

Something Awful can't last forever, maybe we could all join the Yakuza to stay in touch

The SAkuza.

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

Is ELEX a good game? It is $25 right now on Steam. Was wondering if anyone here has it and how they enjoyed it? http://store.steampowered.com/app/411300/ELEX/

al-azad
May 28, 2009



goferchan posted:

Lol where the hell would you get the idea that they aren't taxed on their stream revenue? They are, and probably at a way higher rate than anybody with a normal old W-2 job

I didn't know Twitch tracked revenue internally, I thought they did it based on PayPal who file a 1099 automatically if you make over $20,000. But it's not a question of not paying, it's a question of what's actual "taxable income" and that's why I said the average full time streamer has to be really tax savvy.

As a self employed person you can write off the equipment you use, travel expenses, the space you work in, and continuing education. Streamers do a lot of giveaways and promotions, those are deductible. And the smart ones incorporate for further protections.

al-azad
May 28, 2009



I said come in! posted:

Is ELEX a good game? It is $25 right now on Steam. Was wondering if anyone here has it and how they enjoyed it? http://store.steampowered.com/app/411300/ELEX/

Do you like jank rear end open world Euro RPGs Gothic and Risen? If so you'll love ELEX.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Nina posted:

Somehow I had no idea the lead designer on Telltale's Batman is Michael Kirkbride of all people. Does that game at least have good writing?

the first season is ok, the second is some of telltale's best material

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

al-azad posted:

Do you like jank rear end open world Euro RPGs Gothic and Risen? If so you'll love ELEX.

I really didn't. :/ I do like the setting of ELEX though, but as far as post apocalypse settings go, I might want to just stick to playing Horizon Zero Dawn.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

I said come in! posted:

Is ELEX a good game? It is $25 right now on Steam. Was wondering if anyone here has it and how they enjoyed it? http://store.steampowered.com/app/411300/ELEX/

No it sucks and I like jank. They don’t do anything cool with the setting or the factions either.

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

Taintrunner posted:

No it sucks and I like jank. They don’t do anything cool with the setting or the factions either.

That's a bummer. I'll wait until it's free on PS+ or included in Humble Bundle Monthly.

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

Jay Rust posted:

I didn’t know about that pinky thing. There’s probably a decent comedy to be made about some hapless chef or something who cuts off his finger by accident, then gets swept away into the wacky world of the Yakuza politics and intrigue

A japanese director in the 80s famously made a comedy of manners about yakuza blackmailing folks via excessive "politeness". It was a modest success and various yakuza leaders were pissed about their representation as buffoons so the director was assassinated. Pretty hosed up

LawfulWaffle
Mar 11, 2014

Well, that aligns with the vibes I was getting. Which was, like, "normal" kinda vibes.
https://boingboing.net/2010/08/10/yakuza-3-review.html

quote:

DEPICTION OF THE YAKUZA

Author's note: A heated discussion takes place as to whether the game is stereotyping the yakuza, which is resolved when Midoriyama points out that the stereotypes about the yakuza are more or less correct, with the exception of their alleged prowess in martial arts.

M: The corporate yakuza guys get a thumbs up for realism. Nice suit. Smart. Financially savvy. Obsessed with money. Sneaky and conniving. Ruthless.
S: There are a lot of guys whom I feel like I know. The dialogue is right too. They sound like yakuza.
K: Braggarts, bullies, and sweet-talkers. I agree — it feels like I know the guys on the screen.
M: Kiryu is the way yakuza used to be. We kept the streets clean. People liked us. We didn't bother ordinary citizens. We respected our bosses. Now, guys like that only exist in video games.
S: I don't know any ex-yakuza running orphanages.
K: There was one a few years ago. A good guy.
M: You sure it wasn't just a tax shelter?
K: Sure it was a tax shelter but he ran it like a legitimate thing. You know.

Samuringa
Mar 27, 2017

Best advice I was ever given?

"Ticker, you'll be a lot happier once you stop caring about the opinions of a culture that is beneath you."

I learned my worth, learned the places and people that matter.

Opened my eyes.

Jay Rust posted:

I didn’t know about that pinky thing. There’s probably a decent comedy to be made about some hapless chef or something who cuts off his finger by accident, then gets swept away into the wacky world of the Yakuza politics and intrigue

You never heard of western cartoons asked to be edited to add an extra finger so their characters don't look like Ex-Yakuza?

univbee
Jun 3, 2004




Samuringa posted:

You never heard of western cartoons asked to be edited to add an extra finger so their characters don't look like Ex-Yakuza?

They did this for Crash Bandicoot, even.

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

I like the word slam for objectives/enemies in this Yakuza game

Had a good laugh when GOONS just slams onto the screen given the current conversation

Phantasium
Dec 27, 2012

Samuringa posted:

You never heard of western cartoons asked to be edited to add an extra finger so their characters don't look like Ex-Yakuza?

Huh. I knew about Yakuza cutting off fingers but this is the first I've heard of this. Neat.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
i remember a news story a couple years back about two yakuza families regretfully canceling their annual kids' halloween outing because they (the yakuza, not the kids) were in a turf war at the time

it's an odd business

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice
What kind of crime does the real yakuza do? I know the (American) mafia does extremely boring crime like laundering money through online poker, because boring crime is where the money is. I think the Sicilian mafia still does protection rackets, but then they actually protect the people who pay, making them basically the police

cheetah7071 fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Apr 3, 2018

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

cheetah7071 posted:

What kind of crime does the real yakuza do? I know the (American) mafia does extremely boring crime like laundering money through online poker, because boring crime is where the money is. I think the Sicilian mafia still does protection rackets, but then they actually protect they people who pay, making them basically the police

google brings up extortion, protection rackets, sex trafficking, gambling, real estate, and construction

as someone who lives near NYC i can confidently say those last two are by far the most heinous

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

According to Wikipedia they do wacky stuff like intimidating stockholders, but then they sometimes deal with drugs and human trafficking, not so fun

Saint Freak
Apr 16, 2007

Regretting is an insult to oneself
Buglord
A lot of the talent agencies/entertainment biz are yakuza as far as I'm aware.

Baku
Aug 20, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

cheetah7071 posted:

What kind of crime does the real yakuza do? I know the (American) mafia does extremely boring crime like laundering money through online poker, because boring crime is where the money is. I think the Sicilian mafia still does protection rackets, but then they actually protect they people who pay, making them basically the police

Really the same stuff as most mafias. Money laundering and loving around with legitimate/semi-legit businesses is there, as are protection rackets. I think they're really heavily involved in Japan's sex industry, from porn to really illicit human trafficking poo poo. Like most organized crime rackets, they have a weird relationship with (mostly right-wing) politics and a half-shade of legitimacy that street gangs and lone criminals don't.

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

there used to be a long screed on the oddworld site about pissed off Lorne Lanning was about having to change the number of fingers on Abe's hand, and calling the Japanese a bunch of extortionists. abe also has the whole burakumin thing going on though

oddium
Feb 21, 2006

end of the 4.5 tatami age

in the end abe becomes prime minister so there's that

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

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oddium posted:

in the end abe becomes prime minister so there's that

:golfclap:

univbee
Jun 3, 2004




cheetah7071 posted:

What kind of crime does the real yakuza do? I know the (American) mafia does extremely boring crime like laundering money through online poker, because boring crime is where the money is. I think the Sicilian mafia still does protection rackets, but then they actually protect they people who pay, making them basically the police

Not totally dissimilar.

They are implicated in construction projects a lot, to the point where despite roads in Japan being phenomenally expensive due to the cost of the land they have to be built on (apparently 80% of the cost of building a road in Japan are just for obtaining the land), a lot of superfluous roads exist in areas specifically because the Yakuza strong-armed the project into happening, creating jobs :patriot:

They can be involved to varying degrees in the seedier adult entertainment side of things, like hostess and soap bars. On the more tragic and skeezier side, it's also apparently not uncommon for young pop idols to be horribly indebted to them due to decisions their parents made without their knowledge, and wind up having to effectively become prostitutes for private clients.

I think drugs and similar illicit goods are a bit more limited in availability since Japan is an island nation so it's much harder to smuggle things in and they legally don't gently caress around with even simple pot possession. Firearms I think are similarly very very difficult to get your hands on and I don't think you'd have a good avenue for getting one without being in the Yakuza proper. There is at least one Japanese movie (by Kurosawa, in fact) and one Chinese movie, about police officers losing their firearm and the bullets within, and everyone making GBS threads a giant brick because a single small handgun with three bullets in it are unaccounted for :derp:

As I said before, the general public is extremely against them. Basically every onsen has a sign indicating you can't go to them if you have tattoos (how they'll interpret this in circumstances where the person is obviously not Yakuza, due to not having a full back tattoo and being obviously not Japanese) varies. The rental agreements I signed when I lived there always had a "we reserve the right to unceremoniously throw your rear end out if we discover you're a gangster" clause.

univbee fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Apr 3, 2018

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Expect My Mom
Nov 18, 2013

by Smythe

oddium posted:

in the end abe becomes prime minister so there's that
lol

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