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MrYenko posted:I wish I could loving exclude chargers that are inside car dealerships. It seems like 90% of even our J1772 chargers are at dealers. I think pretty much all car dealerships are cool with you using their chargers even if you aren't a customer. Actually I was trying to find a place to charge a while back and there was a free 50kwh charger at a car dealership that they noted was open to everyone 24/7, also it was a CCS/CHAdeMO charger except plugshare noted that the CCS cable was not installed I guess since it was a Nissan dealer and they couldn't be nice to almost everyone else with an electric car in the US?
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An EV charger in south Florida has a roughly 30% chance of having an ICE car sitting in it when you get there. At a dealer charger, that rate approaches 100%. Also, if I’m charging at a dealer, I have to be at the loving dealership. gently caress dealerships.
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I am in Indianapolis and chargers are pretty much at every Kohl, Staples, Mall, Whole Foods. They are level 2 but my 40 mile range leaf I am going to buy for $2,000 and drive for free will find them all. The power company had them in sweet downtown spots where you could charge for less than parking but they got yanked out cause people were mad about me parking on Friday nights in a reserved spot for 75 cents. That is until stupid Volts started showing up and hogging the spots. I need that juice to have heat you jerks!
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Apr 3, 2018 13:30
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Elephanthead posted:That is until stupid Volts started showing up and hogging the spots. I need that juice to have heat you jerks! This is why I have never bothered using public charging spots in my Volt. I don't really need it. And combined with the Volt's glacially slow 3.6kW charger using any public charger that charges by the hour makes zero financial sense. The only ones that I ever travel near cost $1.50/hour or more. The Volt takes at least 4 hours to fully charge from empty, with a full charge costing at least $6. I can fully charge at home for $1.10! It also helps that living in Greensburg (~60 miles south east of Indy) there are basically zero public chargers within a 50 mile radius.
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Apr 3, 2018 14:44
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In Detroit, the mid-level execs and the engineers like to drive up to Traverse City or over to Grand Rapids on the weekends to drink wine or beer. Or at least they like to imagine that they can. That's either 250 or 150 miles, and that's what they want out of their EVs. Anything less doesn't feel worth it for the people who make design decisions.
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Speleothing posted:In Detroit, the mid-level execs and the engineers like to drive up to Traverse City or over to Grand Rapids on the weekends to drink wine or beer. Or at least they like to imagine that they can. Living in metro Detroit, I agree with this. Both Traverse and Grand Rapids are cool and legit.
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Apr 3, 2018 16:20
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Elephanthead posted:That is until stupid Volts started showing up and hogging the spots. I need that juice to have heat you jerks! Get a bigger/new battery.
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Elephanthead posted:I am in Indianapolis and chargers are pretty much at every Kohl, Staples, Mall, Whole Foods. They are level 2 but my 40 mile range leaf I am going to buy for $2,000 and drive for free will find them all. The power company had them in sweet downtown spots where you could charge for less than parking but they got yanked out cause people were mad about me parking on Friday nights in a reserved spot for 75 cents. That is until stupid Volts started showing up and hogging the spots. I need that juice to have heat you jerks! You are still going to have a charger at home, right? Because unless you have a level 2 charger at work or a level 1 that you can charge overnight at home you will probably be one of the many that learn the hard way that public level 2 charging is not practical for everyday use.
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Apr 3, 2018 18:55
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Elephanthead posted:That is until stupid Volts started showing up and hogging the spots. I need that juice to have heat you jerks! Biggest problem with public EV charging / parking I've found are: 1. EVs parked in EV charging spots but not charging. In SoCal, that means it's going to be a Tesla of some sort. 2. Non EVs parked in EV charging spots. Usually a Prius or other non plug-in hybrid. I'm glad that we don't have to rely on public charging, but when I can get it, I'll take it. I've given up on getting charge while at the local Whole Foods though, it's a goddamn clusterfuck trying to get a spot there.
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Apr 3, 2018 19:35
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kimcicle posted:Biggest problem with public EV charging / parking I've found are: Yeah, EV charging spots has somehow turned into "VIP parking for smug envirojerks". One way to plan around this is to always have the charging spots as far away from the main entrance as possible.
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Ola posted:Yeah, EV charging spots has somehow turned into "VIP parking for smug envirojerks". One way to plan around this is to always have the charging spots as far away from the main entrance as possible. Just went to the new local Publix which has two spots right up front. One had a Nissan Sentra in the Handicapped EV spot, and the regular EV spot had a BMW 330 in it. gently caress people, forever.
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Apr 3, 2018 22:45
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I would park directly behind them and run the charging cable to my car.
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MrYenko posted:Just went to the new local Publix which has two spots right up front. One had a Nissan Sentra in the Handicapped EV spot, and the regular EV spot had a BMW 330 in it. Key it 
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Ola posted:Yeah, EV charging spots has somehow turned into "VIP parking for smug envirojerks". One way to plan around this is to always have the charging spots as far away from the main entrance as possible. I wonder how many people would consider one of those really short range PHEVs like the Prius or big SUVs that Audi/Mercedes/Porsche do just to use those parks. I mean they’re technically plugins after all.
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dissss posted:I wonder how many people would consider one of those really short range PHEVs like the Prius or big SUVs that Audi/Mercedes/Porsche do just to use those parks. I mean they’re technically plugins after all. If they get HOV status in California, they will sell like hotcakes.
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I would love to see Toyota make a hybrid Tacoma, but I'm not sure the typical Tacoma customer would even look at it unless they called it the No Homo edition. Full electric would be even better, but even less likely.
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Apr 4, 2018 00:16
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I would charge my 12-mile range Prius plug in at every store that had a plug.
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Apr 4, 2018 00:22
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I've never plugged my CMax into a public charger.
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I plugged my Volt into one of the only public chargers in the area (at a Walmart no less) a few months ago. Paid $3 for ~18 miles worth of charge. Not exactly a bargain. Just did it to say I did. Took 15 minutes to setup the drat EVgo account as thier website kept screwing up. Never again. If the Volt had a 7.2kW charger it might make more sense.
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my dad bought a volt and his new hobby is using four different apps to find free charging
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:my dad bought a volt and his new hobby is using four different apps to find free charging Don't tell him about Volt Stats. He will start his own group.
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TraderStav posted:Don't tell him about Volt Stats. He will start his own group. At least volt stats is working again. Due to the general shittiness of OnStar it was broken for about 4 months straight.
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This is interesting. A guy drives a Tesla down the same stretch of highway as the recent crash, and his Tesla tries to do the same thing. It's getting confused by the white line on the left side of the road, as the appropriate one is faded. It starts following what is actually the right-side line of the exiting lane as though it's the left-hand line of the through route. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVJSjeHDvfY
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I'm surprised (not really) that they didn't push out a patch for that particular exit on the night of the crash specifically so that this wouldn't happen.
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dissss posted:I wonder how many people would consider one of those really short range PHEVs like the Prius or big SUVs that Audi/Mercedes/Porsche do just to use those parks. I mean they’re technically plugins after all. Do the spots say "for use while charging only" or "plugins only"? I suppose this whole public charging thing needs some trial and error. A lot of people really think society should give them VIP treatment just because they've dialled their planet destruction down to 9. The best place I know of at the moment is a parking garage in Bergen, Norway. Entry/exit is based on old school paper ticket and gates, but there's also a license plate reading system. You can register your license plate and credit card in an app, and the billing and gate opening happens automatically. Then there is a second area inside the parking garage where there are charging connectors. This uses the same license plate reading system, so when you drive in there, you are billed for charging on top of the parking fee, whether you connect or not (with a suitable grace period if you don't find a spot etc). So you are incentivized to move your car when it's full and the "extra cost here" sign keeps idiots out. The rates are very reasonable for EVs. If you use it regularly, it maxes out at $76/month (will probably go up later). Max charging speed is 7 kW, rates are $1/hour in the daytime, $0.50 evenings and Sunday. Oh and if you try to be clever and drive in there without registering, they'll bill you manually.
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Ola posted:Oh and if you try to be clever and drive in there without registering, they'll bill you manually. The ol’ university trick.
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Here is a wild idea maybe don't let your car drive you into a median divider.
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Electrek posted:Tesla confirmed 8,180 Model 3 vehicles delivered during the first quarter 2018. https://electrek.co/2018/04/03/tesla-model-3-best-selling-electric-car-us/
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Are they double counting all the 3s that had to be re-delivered from the service center after showstopper fixes?!?
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Subjunctive posted:Are they double counting all the 3s that had to be re-delivered from the service center after showstopper fixes?!? Must be. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-tesla-tracker/
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I'd believe the Easter Bunny over Bloomberg, so take their numbers with a giant fist full of salt.
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Apr 4, 2018 17:20
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So..... basically every bit of data that even Bloomberg is using shows Bloomberg are underestimating production. Gotcha
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Please remember that we wouldn’t even be worried about production numbers except a) Tesla hosed this up gigantically and b) they only release official figures quarterly as opposed to everyone else’s monthly. (Though GM is going to move to quarterly numbers soon so don’t hold that against Tesla too much.)
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So our buddies at Ford are preparing to mercy-kill their cars and ramp up crossover/SUV production and Jalopnik writers believe GM isn’t far behind. That’s probably why Ford is working on an electric SUV first, as they see no future with cars, and GM is forcing the “crossover” label on the Bolt despite the fact that it’s a loving hatchback. Now the real question in my mind is “do the Big 3 take crossover EVs seriously to the point where they put real R&D into them if gas prices spike like they did back in the early-to-mid 2000’s, or do they keep pumping out the same hot garbage and get caught with their pants down while the Europeans, Japanese and Koreans rip them to shreds, resulting in Bailout 2.0?” Also this makes Tesla the only American manufacturer of cars I remotely give a poo poo about, so whoopee. 
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Manufacturers are just responding to market pressures. The only people who have the money to buy a new car are fat old farts who can't bend over, so they build stupid tall bloated cars to suit.
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Apr 4, 2018 20:42
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Great, now millennials are killing the car.
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I seriously dislike SUVs (I drove a rental GMC Terrain for a week and it was awful) but compact SUVs are awesome if you've got a kid. My wife and I were totally happy with our Toyota Yaris but once we had a kid we realized that we needed something that was easier to get her in/out of and that could hold a stroller/portable high chair/diaper bag/the million other things kids need. We didn't need something huge, just a little bigger. Youths in general seem to be gravitating towards the crossovers and compact SUVs for similar family reasons, or because they want a car that they can drive their friends around in that will be comfortable for the people in the back seat (the Yaris was also awful at this). If designed correctly, compact SUVs can even feel, dare I say, sporty--my Soul clearly wants to be thrown around corners like my Yaris did (though I've never done it for fear of rollovers). asecondduck fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Apr 4, 2018 |
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