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AndyElusive posted:Poe should have just ejected into space and restarted the entire mission once he lost the first Resistance Bomber and tried the entire mission over again. Three bombers eat it, all nearly at the same time, for seemingly no reason at all, as Poe furiously throws his joystick at the wall and stabs ALT-E on his keyboard.
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Vintersorg posted:They'd be picked off by the surface lasers. there's surface lasers in the trench!!! They made it easier to shoot at by flying in a straight line in a narrow confined space!! Also how come the missiles in the OT are all energy looking but the missiles in the PT & ST all look like actual missiles?!
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Jerkface posted:there's surface lasers in the trench!!! They made it easier to shoot at by flying in a straight line in a narrow confined space!! Flying directly in would have exposed them to like 100 turrets at once. In the trench, they are exposed to one or possibly two turrets at once, which gives them an edge by allowing for more suspense and enjoyment for the movie watchers.
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Jerkface posted:there's surface lasers in the trench!!! They made it easier to shoot at by flying in a straight line in a narrow confined space!! Also how come the missiles in the OT are all energy looking but the missiles in the PT & ST all look like actual missiles?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS5XRsHh6vU
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ptkfvk posted:andy serkis Cgi Tarkin as Leia.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I see there's been a new petition up. This one is "cast Meryl Streep as Princess Leia". I'm starting to wonder if these rumors, and petitions, are being put out there by Disney to judge reaction to the idea of recasting Leia, and are using the most awarded actress of all time so the responses aren't clouded by, "But she's a terrible actress!' opinions. Like, just see what the fans think of the concept of recasting at all. 
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thrawn527 posted:I'm starting to wonder if these rumors, and petitions, are being put out there by Disney to judge reaction to the idea of recasting Leia, and are using the most awarded actress of all time so the responses aren't clouded by, "But she's a terrible actress!' opinions. Like, just see what the fans think of the concept of recasting at all. that's not tinfoil in the slightest. making a petition would take a half hour of an unpaid intern's time and these are billion dollar blockbusters
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R. Guyovich posted:that's not tinfoil in the slightest. making a petition would take a half hour of an unpaid intern's time and these are billion dollar blockbusters The only problem is that the script (or at least a first version of it) is already completed, and they're going to start shooting pretty soon. So it's a little late to check if anyone is okay with recasting Leia if they plan to react to that response at all. They have likely already decided if they're using Leia or not.
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thrawn527 posted:I'm starting to wonder if these rumors, and petitions, are being put out there by Disney to judge reaction to the idea of recasting Leia, and are using the most awarded actress of all time so the responses aren't clouded by, "But she's a terrible actress!' opinions. Like, just see what the fans think of the concept of recasting at all. I've said it before, but I bet Disney is praying that Solo does well enough that they'll recast Luke and Leia and do films set post RotJ
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Davros1 posted:I've said it before, but I bet Disney is praying that Solo does well enough that they'll recast Luke and Leia and do films set post RotJ Not that I want this, but Sebastian Shaw looks a lot like young Mark Hamil.
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thrawn527 posted:I'm starting to wonder if these rumors, and petitions, are being put out there by Disney to judge reaction to the idea of recasting Leia, and are using the most awarded actress of all time so the responses aren't clouded by, "But she's a terrible actress!' opinions. Like, just see what the fans think of the concept of recasting at all. I’ve said it a million times. Make Sigourney Weaver Leia and not a single nerd would complain.
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Davros1 posted:I've said it before, but I bet Disney is praying that Solo does well enough that they'll recast Luke and Leia and do films set post RotJ No, they won't. Young Han Solo, Young Leia even works, but recasting characters between films would wreck their properties. Something with Vader between the Prequels and OT, maybe, but i doubt it.
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Lol, Simon Pegg is claiming there was a different plan for Rey's parents before Last Jedi. https://io9.gizmodo.com/simon-pegg-claims-j-j-abrams-had-a-different-plan-for-1824640400 They should really have written all 3 of these before filming anything or at least had major plot points set. A Vader movie set between 3 and 4 would be cool. He could hunt down Jedi. They could get really creative/fun and make it like a horror movie with Vader as the killer.
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Spacebump posted:Lol, Simon Pegg is claiming there was a different plan for Rey's parents before Last Jedi. Abrams had to beg for an extension for TFA didn't he? Disney wasn't gonna wait around to start seeing returns on their investment while they wrote an entire trilogy. For his part, Abrams did a good job restarting the franchise with a pretty open ended setup.
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Spacebump posted:Lol, Simon Pegg is claiming there was a different plan for Rey's parents before Last Jedi. Why? There is nothing about Rey's parentage in TFA that is contradicted by The Last Jedi. Going "what could have been" is fine, but it's some serious turbonerd poo poo to say that the films should have been mapped out just because some folks didn't like the direction TLJ went in.
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Will anyone be especially surprised if/when Abrams reveals that everybody was lying and Rey's parents were actually Original Trilogy Characters X and Y in Ep. IX?
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Baronash posted:Why? There is nothing about Rey's parentage in TFA that is contradicted by The Last Jedi. Going "what could have been" is fine, but it's some serious turbonerd poo poo to say that the films should have been mapped out just because some folks didn't like the direction TLJ went in. this should surprise no one given TFA's visual language and/or script is all but screaming that She's Someone Important Wheat Loaf posted:Will anyone be especially surprised if/when Abrams reveals that everybody was lying and Rey's parents were actually Original Trilogy Characters X and Y in Ep. IX? no. people are already on the 'Kylo was lying' train
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Didn't Johnson have his first draft of TLJ done and submitted to Lucasfilm before the final draft of TFA or something like that?
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Rey definitely is Someone Important, while her parents are not.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Rey definitely is Someone Important, while her parents are not. Which is a perfectly fine choice, but is also definitely not what TFA was going for. It’s a very, very weird film when you go back and watch it. Every other character is deeply interested in the identity of this girl, and there are multiple points where someone asks who the hell she is, and then there’s an immediate cutaway as if to tell the audience that we’re not allowed to know.
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Zoran posted:Which is a perfectly fine choice, but is also definitely not what TFA was going for. It’s a very, very weird film when you go back and watch it. Every other character is deeply interested in the identity of this girl, and there are multiple points where someone asks who the hell she is, and then there’s an immediate cutaway as if to tell the audience that we’re not allowed to know. That only becomes weird when the sequels writer cant be assed to follow up on it, in place of being subversive
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Could have been a long game by snoke to get info out of that dude that had Luke's map. General Hux probably screwed the pooch by continuing pursuit of Poe or something. Anyway, TLJ--while having some good cinematics and story ideas--was a bad movie in the context of Star Wars Episodes.
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Zoran posted:Which is a perfectly fine choice, but is also definitely not what TFA was going for. It’s a very, very weird film when you go back and watch it. Every other character is deeply interested in the identity of this girl, and there are multiple points where someone asks who the hell she is, and then there’s an immediate cutaway as if to tell the audience that we’re not allowed to know. It works perfectly fine when you consider every character is assuming, like the audience does, that she must be someone important. When it turns out she’s a nobody who has inserted herself into this big story. The characters themselves don’t see how this is possible. They want to know who she is, because she MUST be someone. Turns out she’s not. That’s an awesome subversion of our’s, and the character’s, expectations. It only feels weird because we have the context that it probably wasn’t planned that way. When watching the movies themselves, it works perfectly fine, building up to the reveal with Kylo in TLJ.
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Trump posted:That only becomes weird when the sequels writer cant be assed to follow up on it, in place of being subversive Counterpoint: in the first Star Wars, Luke kisses a princess who turns out to be his sister.
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thrawn527 posted:It works perfectly fine when you consider every character is assuming, like the audience does, that she must be someone important. When it turns out she’s a nobody who has inserted herself into this big story. The characters themselves don’t see how this is possible. They want to know who she is, because she MUST be someone. Turns out she’s not. That’s an awesome subversion of our’s, and the character’s, expectations. It only feels weird because we have the context that it probably wasn’t planned that way. When watching the movies themselves, it works perfectly fine, building up to the reveal with Kylo in TLJ.
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thrawn527 posted:It works perfectly fine when you consider every character is assuming, like the audience does, that she must be someone important. When it turns out she’s a nobody who has inserted herself into this big story. The characters themselves don’t see how this is possible. They want to know who she is, because she MUST be someone. Turns out she’s not. That’s an awesome subversion of our’s, and the character’s, expectations. It only feels weird because we have the context that it probably wasn’t planned that way. When watching the movies themselves, it works perfectly fine, building up to the reveal with Kylo in TLJ. In TFA Rei has a flashback when she touches Luke's lightsaber that shows her parents leaving sandwiched between revelations about Luke and Kylo
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Hodgepodge posted:Counterpoint: in the first Star Wars, Luke kisses a princess who turns out to be his sister. when are characters gonna start fuckin? i'm serious I want Rey doing Kylo in amazon position in Episode IX or X
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Also I really think the only way these sequel films are going to have a satisfying conclusion is if they go ahead and make it a quadrilogy. But that will never happen because Disney has its contracts and Daisy Ridley doesn't want to get typecast.
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Having a plot point that you build up to and then drop with no payoff is not subversion; it's crap writing.
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TerminalRaptor posted:Having a plot point that you build up to and then drop with no payoff is not subversion; it's crap writing. Yeah. I actually like the idea of creating a vague sense that Rey was going to be related to someone with the small universe and then subverting it. But you would have to do it elegantly, letting the audience do the work so they could look back and say "oh wow it never did imply that, we were just assuming because that's how Star Wars is. plus there was that subtle forshadowing all along. what a good twist" But that's not what we got. Also lol: Joementum posted:lol, i told you guys JJ was going to pull this poo poo
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thrawn527 posted:It works perfectly fine when you consider every character is assuming, like the audience does, that she must be someone important. When it turns out she’s a nobody who has inserted herself into this big story. The characters themselves don’t see how this is possible. They want to know who she is, because she MUST be someone. Turns out she’s not. That’s an awesome subversion of our’s, and the character’s, expectations. It only feels weird because we have the context that it probably wasn’t planned that way. When watching the movies themselves, it works perfectly fine, building up to the reveal with Kylo in TLJ. Subversion depends on two things: (1) the original context has to make sense and lead you to think a certain way, and (2) the reveal changes the context in a way that ultimately enriches what came before. You can go back to A New Hope with the knowledge that Darth Vader is actually Anakin, and the whole speech from Obi-Wan takes on a completely different meaning, yet it still makes sense as something someone in Obi-Wan's position would say. This works even though the decision to make Anakin and Vader the same character was made after the fact. But go back and look at TFA. The characters who express a burning desire to identify this scavenger girl know somewhere between very little about her (in Han's case, talking with Maz) to absolutely nothing (with Kylo, when he first hears of her). There's nothing there to re-evaluate, no relationships to understand in a new way. The only things that TLJ actually subverts are the cinematic tricks to make the audience expect more information—the winking cutaways, mainly.
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subversion is more than expectations, its a turn on concepts. having rei played up to be important and revealing she is regular is depended on the meaning of normalcy in the film. if rei was to not have any force powers, that would be subversive because star wars focuses on force users. but tfa paints rei as significant and connected to the other characters but then says, its just the force and nothing else. she's nothing if not significant to the other characters in some way. that's why her lack of characterization strikes doubly true because her mystique in tfa amounts to nothing in tlj. rei is a blank slate that gets swept up into the resistance. there's nothing worth criticizing about it but there is also little to praise. i think that's why it was so easy to call her a mary sue. but there isn't much to her character to even call her that. i don't know how you subvert a void without making it more meaningful. but that's not what tlj did. temple fucked around with this message at 06:18 on Apr 5, 2018 |
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It doesn't amount to nothing. Starting a new movement by leaving the old one behind was the entire theme of the second film. The last shot was an anonymous, nameless slave boy peering up into the skies dreaming of rebellion. Redoing the exact same dynastic theme as the first trilogy would have been far more meaningless than what we got in TLJ. That said the B plot sucked.
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The most interesting part of her character is that when a dark power manifests her fears and fantasies, she's unable to imagine anything but herself. She's that big of a dullard. Amethyst posted:It doesn't amount to nothing. Starting a new movement by leaving the old one behind was the entire theme of the second film. The last shot was an anonymous, nameless slave boy peering up into the skies dreaming of rebellion. Redoing the exact same dynastic theme as the first trilogy would have been far more meaningless than what we got in TLJ. A Harry Potter fantasy isn't much of an improvement.
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The original trilogy has far more in common with Harry Potter. Orphan discovers he's a noble, gains strength from it. TLJ is Orphan Discovers she's just an orphan, and needs to find strength by herself within that identity.
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Amethyst posted:The original trilogy has far more in common with Harry Potter. Orphan discovers he's a noble, gains strength from it. You seem to be rather confused. TFA and TLJ are about a down-on-her-luck middle class woman finding out that she's a psychic mutant, and starting a cult/school around herself that will gather up the galaxy's dissatisfied mutant kids. There's even a Mirror of Erised scene, but instead of showing her parents it shows her herself. What you have to remember is that it's the Dark Side that's telling her that she's what matters, not who she is or where she comes from.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:You seem to be rather confused. TFA and TLJ are about a down-on-her-luck middle class woman finding out that she's a psychic mutant, and starting a cult/school around herself that will gather up the galaxy's dissatisfied mutant kids. That's a stretch and this conversation is stupid. Bye.
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