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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Biden literally had to quit the first time because he cribbed a British MP's speech. But the question is, was it a good speech?
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Ytlaya posted:I feel like Clinton running (which I seriously doubt will happen) would possibly be a blessing in disguise, since she would have zero chance of winning the primary but would split the more centrist/center-left vote. I want a large field in 2020 because it helps Bernie more than anyone else. Let the 4%ers fight over Gillibrand/Booker/Harris.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:joe biden is absolutely not a good person speaking of, where's my loving battleship you rear end in a top hat Lightning Knight posted:But the question is, was it a good speech? the og speech posted:Why am I the first Kinnock in a thousand generations to be able to get to university? [Pointing to his wife in the audience:] Why is Glenys the first woman in her family in a thousand generations to be able to get to university? Was it because all our predecessors were thick? diamond joe posted:I started thinking as I was coming over here, why is it that Joe Biden is the first in his family ever to go to a university? [Pointing to his wife in the audience:] Why is it that my wife who is sitting out there in the audience is the first in her family to ever go to college? Is it because our fathers and mothers were not bright? Is it because I'm the first Biden in a thousand generations to get a college and a graduate degree that I was smarter than the rest?
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Apr 4, 2018 17:12
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:speaking of, where's my loving battleship you rear end in a top hat You know, at least he was plagiarizing a positive point.
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Apr 4, 2018 17:13
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:speaking of, where's my loving battleship you rear end in a top hat you would not believe how busy this credential program has left me. also the entire cohort is about to openly rebel against the credential program itself lol
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Apr 4, 2018 17:15
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Lightning Knight posted:You know, at least he was plagiarizing a positive point. lol i'm building him a scale model of the USS West Virginia or at least i would be if this program didn't suck rear end and pearson hadn't invented the EdTPA
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Apr 4, 2018 17:16
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lol i'm building him a scale model of the USS West Virginia Oh I was talking about his quote of Biden but you know what, that's fuckin' sick. Edit: The Gay Union Organizer Who Helped MLK Change the World Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Apr 4, 2018 |
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Apr 4, 2018 17:17
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Raskolnikov38 posted:you would not believe how busy this credential program has left me. also the entire cohort is about to openly rebel against the credential program itself lol I am resisting making a hearts of iron joke.
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Apr 4, 2018 18:14
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VitalSigns posted:Yeah I'm sure voting for Nazis will work out differently this time That statement is as coherent as comparing the Catholic Center Party to the modern day Democrats. I mean, if you want to do a sloppy historical analogy, at least make the Democrats of today the SPD, which was the largest party on the left. There was even an analogous movement by the KDP to equate the SPD with the Nazis by calling them “social fascists”. Not sure if the people who ended up dying under Nazi oppression agreed with their assessment.
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Apr 4, 2018 18:18
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Wait, he cribbed it from goddamn Neil Kinnock? lol forever
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Apr 4, 2018 19:41
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Speaking of Tom Perez and slimy centrist lingo, this ones is fun: https://twitter.com/Mobute/status/981600921183510528
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Office Pig posted:Incidentally Joe Biden - one of the architects behind our horrifically destructive war on drugs - recently referenced and suggested taking Charles Murray's quiz for whether or not you live in an elitist bubble - a quiz utilizing metrics reliant upon questions such as whether or not you go to Applebees. dr skull calipers' cosmo quiz for idiots is great because it presupposes every real american is located in a suburban hellscape near akron
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Apr 4, 2018 20:48
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Democrazy posted:That statement is as coherent as comparing the Catholic Center Party to the modern day Democrats. I mean, if you want to do a sloppy historical analogy, at least make the Democrats of today the SPD, which was the largest party on the left. There was even an analogous movement by the KDP to equate the SPD with the Nazis by calling them “social fascists”. Not sure if the people who ended up dying under Nazi oppression agreed with their assessment. What. The conversation was about liberals endorsing voting for the actual neo-Nazi Hungarian party Jobbik in order to own the conservatives, under the theory that conservatives would never react to Nazi popularity by becoming Nazis themselves and/or that Nazis will respect  and support liberal democracy.In any case, the modern-day Democrats definitely aren't analogous to the SDP, which was explicitly Marxist. And lol at blaming the KPD for not having a high opinion of the political party that, once in power, immediately unleashed right-wing militias to murder communists in the street. Not sure if the people who ended up dying under Nazi oppression were relieved that at least some commies died at the hands of the SPD first.
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Apr 4, 2018 20:50
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VitalSigns posted:What. Ironically, the KPD toyed with the idea that Germans would react to the election of Hitler by becoming communists, and later argued that Britain represented more of a reactionary thread than Nazi Germany. They sided with Nazis to own the liberals. But the comparison to say, any politics of today, would be really loving dumb.
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Apr 4, 2018 21:30
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Democrazy posted:Ironically, the KPD toyed with the idea that Germans would react to the election of Hitler by becoming communists, and later argued that Britain represented more of a reactionary thread than Nazi Germany. They sided with Nazis to own the liberals. Pretty much none of this is true (other than maybe some KPD members thought that they'd be able to replace Hitler). KPD never "sided with Nazis."
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Apr 4, 2018 21:54
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joepinetree posted:Pretty much none of this is true (other than maybe some KPD members thought that they'd be able to replace Hitler). KPD never "sided with Nazis." I would invite you to read Walter Ulbricht’s commentary during the dates in which the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was in effect, when many members of the Comintern argued against resisting Nazis, including many who would play prominent role thereafter, like Maurice Thorez.
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Apr 4, 2018 22:00
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Democrazy posted:I would invite you to read Walter Ulbricht’s commentary during the dates in which the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was in effect, when many members of the Comintern argued against resisting Nazis, including many who would play prominent role thereafter, like Maurice Thorez. That is both unrelated to the KPD at the time of the Nazi ascent to power and their relationship to the SPD, and also completely ignores the Soviet diplomatic efforts prior to the Molotov Ribbentrop Pact.
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Apr 4, 2018 22:05
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Democrazy: *being frog-marched into the ovens by Nazis* *an image of Rosa Luxemburg dead in a ditch flashes before his eyes* "soooooo ...worth it"
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Apr 4, 2018 22:11
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joepinetree posted:That is both unrelated to the KPD at the time of the Nazi ascent to power and their relationship to the SPD, and also completely ignores the Soviet diplomatic efforts prior to the Molotov Ribbentrop Pact. That’s not what I said. What I said is that the KPD sided with the Nazis over the liberals with whom they were fighting, which they did, explicitly, and after the Nazis had already shown their brutality to their own people. VitalSigns posted:Democrazy: *being frog-marched into the ovens by Nazis* *an image of Rosa Luxemburg dead in a ditch flashes before his eyes* "soooooo ...worth it" The actions of the SPD during the Spartacus revolt, while regrettable, are not quite equal to the Holocaust.
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Apr 4, 2018 23:07
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Democrazy posted:That’s not what I said. What I said is that the KPD sided with the Nazis over the liberals with whom they were fighting, which they did, explicitly, and after the Nazis had already shown their brutality to their own people. The kpd never sided with the Nazis, and this is such a monumentally uninformed argument that it is not worth engaging in it other than to say go Google antifa.
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Apr 4, 2018 23:22
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Democrazy posted:That’s not what I said. What I said is that the KPD sided with the Nazis over the liberals with whom they were fighting, which they did, explicitly, and after the Nazis had already shown their brutality to their own people. An op-ed by one guy, in exile, years after Hitler came to power, repeating the government line in a country not known for its freedom of political expression, does not equal "the KPD sided with the Nazis" and certainly doesn't support "the KPD helped Hitler come to power" like you're trying to imply, and that's not even getting into you dropping the context of decades of British aggression towards the Soviet Union, and the failure of the Tripartite Negotiations because Britain was more worried about possible Soviet influence in the Baltics than German aggression.
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Democrazy posted:That’s not what I said. What I said is that the KPD sided with the Nazis over the liberals with whom they were fighting, which they did, explicitly, and after the Nazis had already shown their brutality to their own people. what i what
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Democrazy posted:That’s not what I said. What I said is that the KPD sided with the Nazis over the liberals with whom they were fighting, which they did, explicitly, and after the Nazis had already shown their brutality to their own people. This is a pretty good take man. Keep it up! The forum believes in you!
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Apr 5, 2018 11:44
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 The KPD: noted best friends of Herr Hitler.
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Apr 5, 2018 11:49
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We’ve gone to the part of the argument where there’s no reasonable refutation, so everyone is just going to pretend that it was those drat libs. Better that than wrestle with the demons of Comintern policy. Edit: Like, it wouldn’t be that hard to say, “Many of the actions taken by the Soviet-led Comintern were bad, but that has nothing to do with politics today,” and you would be totally right! You don’t even need to engage in this kind of historical revisionism or downplay of the Holocaust. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Apr 5, 2018 16:25
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if only we could calmly and reasonably discuss, why it's totally sensible, for liberals to tactically vote for nazis
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Apr 5, 2018 16:38
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Joan Walsh is a hack.
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Apr 5, 2018 16:38
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democrazy is a proven liar and troll, just ignore him
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Apr 5, 2018 16:54
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Democrazy posted:That’s not what I said. What I said is that the KPD sided with the Nazis over the liberals with whom they were fighting, which they did *Ron Howard VO* They didn't. (particularly since the KPD didn't exist at the time of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact)
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Democrazy posted:We’ve gone to the part of the argument where there’s no reasonable refutation, so everyone is just going to pretend that it was those drat libs. Better that than wrestle with the demons of Comintern policy. Many of the actions taken by the Comintern were bad, but you were asserting the German Communist Party was helping the Nazis which is a demonstrably false, ahistorical lie.
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VitalSigns posted:Many of the actions taken by the Comintern were bad, but you were asserting the German Communist Party was helping the Nazis which is a demonstrably false, ahistorical lie. Look, it is extremely important to make sure everyone understands that the radical left can't be trusted and only the reasonable and pragmatic center-left can guide us to a non-Nazi future. Unironically, it has been kind of interesting how this bizarre "radical strains of politics on both sides are more bigoted than their less radical counterparts" worldview has taken hold since 2016 with some people. I think in some cases it's directly malicious, while in others it's people who have been conditioned to just accept any claims that accuse a person or group of bigotry (which is normally fairly reasonable, but has been manipulated by the center-left to make itself look better in comparison with the radical left).
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Apr 5, 2018 17:23
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It's just projection, notice how the center has completely abandoned the DREAMers (again, since they also voted against the DREAM Act in 2010 despite having enough D senators plus Republican defectors to have a supermajority on that bill), and anyone who says "wait why aren't we shutting down the government to prevent a crime against humanity from taking place" is shooed off as "unrealistic".
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Some of the radical centrists I know are just idiots who don’t actually understand politics or history and want to feel like they’re smarter than everyone else by being ~rational~ and above the fray. You can spot them immediately when they do nothing but quote ancient, dead white philosophers to “prove” their point.
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Apr 5, 2018 17:45
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https://twitter.com/CAP_Health/status/981625201938051073 Score another red flag.
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Apr 5, 2018 18:10
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The 'anyone' part of Medicare for anyone should register under the same political lexicon as 'choice' for why you shouldn't have coverage.
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Apr 5, 2018 18:14
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Office Pig posted:https://twitter.com/CAP_Health/status/981625201938051073 I like how they are so obviously dishonest that they keep using Bernie's picture and whatever the closest sentence to "medicare for all" is to push for something that is not at all like medicare for all.
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Apr 5, 2018 18:23
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Apr 5, 2018 18:41
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joepinetree posted:I like how they are so obviously dishonest that they keep using Bernie's picture and whatever the closest sentence to "medicare for all" is to push for something that is not at all like medicare for all. So here's a baseline question -- if your options are what we have now or Medicare Extra (e.g., a Public Option) are you going to walk away from it? Note: I think campaigning for and making Medicare for All (though maybe not the exact bill that Bernie has proposed in the past -- but that's marginal) you ask is a good idea. I am just trying to get a sense of if you are willing to accept that political reality might be that you get the intermediate step first.
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Eat poo poo, Kev. https://twitter.com/JessicaValenti/status/981955064515448833
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