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AWSEFT posted:Are you kidding me? Oh my hell, he's one of us  Between the the FOs getting married or posting Craigslist personals to now captains doing dumb poo poo like this I really got to GTFO and go somewhere classier like spirit or allegiant. Although, if he does get hired I move up in seniority  Sagebrush posted:Why does he want Southwest specifically? Just because he already lives in the area they serve? Or do they have a particularly desirable package? If you read his bio I think his dad is (was?) a SWA captain, and SWA happens to be hiring a lot of our mid to senior captains lately...
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SWA seems to be the place to go from SKW for whatever reason. A friend’s dad is a senior captain there and he was telling me they easily hire 9 out of 10 guys from us that apply. That’s where I’m hoping to go in a few years, because I’m chasing a DEN base.
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Haters gonna hate, I like the website. Also lol on complaining he’s using his wife/kid to sell an image. I hope it works out for him.
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e.pilot posted:SWA seems to be the place to go from SKW for whatever reason. Part of that is because the similarities in culture (at least on the flight/cabin crew side) and a senior VP over at LUV is ex-OO  With that aside, I'm still applying this weekend during the window because I too would like to work back out west!
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Good luck! I’m nowhere near competitive yet, I’ve got 2-3+ years at least to go.
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Skywest has a captain flow to SWA. Republic has a captain flow to SWA. Air Wisconsin has a captain flow to SWA. News flash, SWA is taking captains from all over so their big competitors don't!
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OK I watched 20 minutes of ABC primetime last night and saw that the pendulum can swing too far the other way. Some tv mom setting up a jack shack for her kid with portraits of RBG was a bridge too far, now I even want to give someone a wedgie.
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shame on an IGA posted:OK I watched 20 minutes of ABC primetime last night and saw that the pendulum can swing too far the other way. Some tv mom setting up a jack shack for her kid with portraits of RBG was a bridge too far, now I even want to give someone a wedgie. Wut
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Flew my first Harrier yesterday. It fuckin' ruled.
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overdesigned posted:Flew my first Harrier yesterday. It fuckin' ruled. How does the cockpit feel, do they keep them in good shape and modern, or still old and hardcore?
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AWSEFT posted:Are you kidding me? I guess I can't completely fault him for trying, though can you imagine if this level of self-whoring was required just to get into a regional (again)? e- He named his first kid Jett and the second Beckham. Fuckin' Millennial names, gently caress him. Jett. shame on an IGA posted:OK I watched 20 minutes of ABC primetime last night and saw that the pendulum can swing too far the other way. Some tv mom setting up a jack shack for her kid with portraits of RBG was a bridge too far, now I even want to give someone a wedgie. Do what now? CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Mar 29, 2018 |
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overdesigned posted:Flew my first Harrier yesterday. It fuckin' ruled. Same. Nah. Hope it was as cool as I think it’d be.
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https://twitter.com/PSAAirlinesInc/status/979765482378158080 I have friends at Blue Streak and legend has it this guy got his nickname because he dragged the wing on a CRJ at NAS or FPO and rode jetskis while the plane was fixed and his job rode in the balance.
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CBJSprague24 posted:https://twitter.com/PSAAirlinesInc/status/979765482378158080 Badass! So many good aviation stories. Wish I'd been writing them down all these years, I could've been rich!
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28 years to get a water cannon salute? I've been at my airline for 7 years and they already gave me a glycol cannon salute to celebrate the last flight of my 4 day.
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KodiakRS posted:28 years to get a water cannon salute? I've been at my airline for 7 years and they already gave me a glycol cannon salute to celebrate the last flight of my 4 day. lol I want nothing more out of my probable 40-year aviation career than a loving water cannon salute on my retirement flight. My luck the airport fire department will be pretending to put out the 727 hulk on the east side of PBI when I land.
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I flew a trip back in October with a captain who was retiring, they just had airport ops trucks escorting us to the gate. No water cannon salute for us! Apparently SLC stopped doing that a few years ago because of a drought. And that captain didn't want to be embarrassed by all the effort going into a cannon salute
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Riddle plane crashed in Daytona with a DPE on board. Wing separated. =(
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Butt Reactor posted:I flew a trip back in October with a captain who was retiring, they just had airport ops trucks escorting us to the gate. No water cannon salute for us! Apparently SLC stopped doing that a few years ago because of a drought. And that captain didn't want to be embarrassed by all the effort going into a cannon salute We have a company policy banning water cannon salutes, since PDX had someone accidentally spray foam into the engine on a CRJ-700 several years back, which was kind of an expensive fix. AWSEFT posted:Riddle plane crashed in Daytona with a DPE on board. Wing separated. =( It's going to be really interesting to see the NTSB report on that when it comes out, since the Arrow/Cherokee/Warrior series aren't exactly known for shedding wings for no reason. Since the articles are based on eyewitness reports and the separation happened shortly after takeoff, I have to wonder if one of the flaps didn't fail somehow. azflyboy fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Apr 5, 2018 |
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If I'm starting ab initio to go career/ATP, is there value in doing all of my training in a complex aircraft as opposed to starting in a 172/Cherokee and working my way up?
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Do at least your private in something cheap and easy. In the long run nobody will care if you pulled the gear up and down your first 40 or so hours, plus you’ll already have plenty on your plate.
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Rolo posted:Do at least your private in something cheap and easy. In the long run nobody will care if you pulled the gear up and down your first 40 or so hours, plus you’ll already have plenty on your plate. True enough, but I'm considering buying an aircraft to do my training in (and hopefully keep as a family/cross-country plane), and I'm on the fence about going complex. I know a complex aircraft is going to cost a fair bit more to maintain, and I'm curious if building those habits consistently from hour 0 is worth the difference.
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fatman1683 posted:but I'm considering buying an aircraft to do my training in If money has any value to you do not do this.
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hobbesmaster posted:If money has any value to you do not do this. Ehh, it's actually not that bad. I've done a lot of spreadsheeting and I would come out slightly ahead over the 300-hour training plan if I own the airplane. On its own it's not enough to justify the risk, but if I can get a leaseback with the local flight school it would be a good deal. The biggest problem is that I also want a plane for family trips, and that means buying since we have 3 kids and there's nothing around here for rent with more than 4 seats. Moving up to a 206 or a Cherokee 6 significantly increases DOC and makes it no longer a good deal overall, but the DOC still comes to less than a 172 rental. Assuming I'd be buying a 206 or a Cherokee 6 anyway, the added expense of operating a 210 or Saratoga (or maybe an A36) isn't much, but is developing complex experience from the very beginning worth that difference?
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fatman1683 posted:If I'm starting ab initio to go career/ATP, is there value in doing all of my training in a complex aircraft as opposed to starting in a 172/Cherokee and working my way up? No, do your training as cheap as you possibly can. The certificates at the end are the same and nothing with pistons will prepare you for a jet.
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fatman1683 posted:Ehh, it's actually not that bad. I've done a lot of spreadsheeting and I would come out slightly ahead over the 300-hour training plan if I own the airplane. On its own it's not enough to justify the risk, but if I can get a leaseback with the local flight school it would be a good deal. Please don’t think I’m being rude, but as someone who scraped the barrel for my flying career and had many hungry nights, I gotta know: If you have a job where you can already afford 3 kids, an airplane and vacations while still eating people food, why why why switch to aviation professionally and not just recreationally? How much money were you told you’d make the first 5 years? 10 years? Did anyone tell you to prep for a terrible personal life for a good few years? How much do you trust the school offering you a leaseback? I’ve worked at schools that do this, don’t expect people to treat your 200k delicate investment as gently as most trained animals would. The only really good answers I can think of are “I don’t want to be around my kids so much” and “my wife makes 6+ figures and she totally won’t leave me so screw it let’s do this.” Honestly though, I love my job, we all do hopefully, but the idea of doing all the early career grunt work in exchange for a substantial decrease in pay (it will be) makes me curious to hear more about why you want to do this for work.
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Rolo posted:Please don’t think I’m being rude, but as someone who scraped the barrel for my flying career and had many hungry nights, I gotta know: You're cool, I've read plenty of 'I want to be a pilot' threads on a variety of forums over many years, and there's a shitload of wishful thinking and bad information out there. I appreciate you taking the time to verify my position relative to my rocker. Rolo posted:If you have a job where you can already afford 3 kids, an airplane and vacations while still eating people food, why why why switch to aviation professionally and not just recreationally? Because I want to. Rolo posted:How much money were you told you’d make the first 5 years? 10 years? Did anyone tell you to prep for a terrible personal life for a good few years? A pittance, slightly more than a pittance, and yes, respectively. If you want numbers, ~30k/yr as an instructor (~1.5 years), 40k-50k as a regional FO (~2-3 years), ~70k-110k as a regional captain (~5+ years? who the gently caress knows, the flow is a lie), ~75k-90k as a legacy FO, ~100k-250k+ as a legacy captain. Until I can hold the line I want the schedule will be poo poo, but I will absofuckinglutely be living in base. Commuting is for losers. Rolo posted:How much do you trust the school offering you a leaseback? I’ve worked at schools that do this, don’t expect people to treat your 200k delicate investment as gently as most trained animals would. Enough to hand them a 50k 1960s 172, maybe enough to hand them a 75k 210, not enough to hand them a 150k Bonanza. Rolo posted:The only really good answers I can think of are “I don’t want to be around my kids so much” and “my wife makes 6+ figures and she totally won’t leave me so screw it let’s do this.” My kids are shits but I don't necessarily want to get away from them. My wife is in school right now, by the time I'm ready to pull this trigger she'll be out of school and between her pay and my instructor pittance we'll be breaking even with where we are now. Rolo posted:Honestly though, I love my job, we all do hopefully, but the idea of doing all the early career grunt work in exchange for a substantial decrease in pay (it will be) makes me curious to hear more about why you want to do this for work. I've wanted to fly since I was, like, 4 years old. In 2001 I was a senior in high school, so I decided to get into tech instead. IT has been good to me, but I never really lost the bug. The place I'm at in my life now, combined with movement in the industry, makes this change more feasible now than it's ever been or probably ever going to be.
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Add me to the list if you like: Canadian CPL and Multi-IFR rated. C-172, PA-31 Navajo, KingAir B200.
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fatman1683 posted:You're cool, I've read plenty of 'I want to be a pilot' threads on a variety of forums over many years, and there's a shitload of wishful thinking and bad information out there. I appreciate you taking the time to verify my position relative to my rocker. Well, uh... good luck. It sounds like you've done your homework, but realize that everybody in here has sucked hind tit to get where they are. I still have trigger anxiety from mid-career job changers in the past who had everything figured out and either missed something or had a fatal career flaw. Forgive me. I fully realize that things are completely different now versus when I got started in aviation in the early 80's, so filter your response through that lens. Don't buy an aircraft until you're rich enough at your legacy airline job to afford one for cash. There are numerous pitfalls in owning a private aircraft to make it a dangerous proposition for someone in primary or secondary training. Especially if your progression isn't exactly as you assume.
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ausgezeichnet posted:Well, uh... good luck. It sounds like you've done your homework, but realize that everybody in here has sucked hind tit to get where they are. I still have trigger anxiety from mid-career job changers in the past who had everything figured out and either missed something or had a fatal career flaw. Forgive me. I fully realize that things are completely different now versus when I got started in aviation in the early 80's, so filter your response through that lens. IT is similar. I started as a callcenter monkey, and it's taken me 15 years to get to where I am. I'm not afraid of grinding my way up, and I know it's going to suck. e: SeaborneClink posted:Usually we just say we're going to go farm turnips for a midlife crisis, but if you're dead set on plowing the earth with an airplane, may I suggest a Bonanza? I'm not a doctor so I should be safe. I've definitely looked at them, but I'd want an 84 or newer to get away from the crossbar yoke, and those are going for more than I'm willing to spend right now. fatman1683 fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Apr 6, 2018 |
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fatman1683 posted:IT is similar. I started as a callcenter monkey, and it's taken me 15 years to get to where I am. I'm not afraid of grinding my way up, and I know it's going to suck. Usually we just say we're going to go farm turnips for a midlife crisis, but if you're dead set on plowing the earth with an airplane, may I suggest a Bonanza?
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I don't have quite enough money to buy a plane for training (seriously, don't do this, it's a bad idea -- just rent) but I did decide to get my CPL after already having a decent job with decent prospects that I nonetheless don't enjoy doing on any level any more. I always wanted to be a pilot, but after university I wasn't sure if I wanted to put up with eating poo poo for the first couple of years, etc., etc. 7 years into a career I'm not at all fond of, I decided to get back into flying recreationally at first, then I decided, gently caress it, let's go commercial -- it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make at this point. Is it conceivable I'll change my mind sometime down the road? Yeah, of course it is, but even if I do, I wouldn't regret any of the training I've done. It's a lot of money spent, but at least at this point there's no debt. The class 1 instructor who's teaching my instructor rating got his CPL after most of a successful career as an engineer, and he's been instructing part-time ever since*. I haven't decided if that's something I'd do yet, or if I'll try to get a corporate job, or an airline job, or whatever, but there are lots of ways to be a pilot. But I would seriously advise against buying a plane for your initial training. Every poo poo landing will make you want to cry (and there will be poo poo landings, I promise you this), every unplanned maintenance will sting that much more because you're paying for it out of pocket and also losing a day you could be flying, and you'll still need to rent a more expensive plane for multi-engine and (possibly) instrument ratings. * If you decide to do this, don't be the jerkass that undercharges and makes it more difficult for instructors who need that money to live on. I haven't seen anyone do that, but I've heard rumours of it going on at other places.
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fatman1683 posted:IT is similar. I started as a callcenter monkey, and it's taken me 15 years to get to where I am. I'm not afraid of grinding my way up, and I know it's going to suck. Ok, cool. Please keep posting ITT so I can see how hosed up my view of the profession is at this point.
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Also it really does seem like you’ve spent more than a day looking into this but I want to throw out there that aircraft maintenance is insanely expensive. Annual inspections costing 5 digit numbers when you were pretty sure everything was fine can pop up, especially on a 30 year old 50k airplane. Source: I was a GA A&P for a few years before becoming a pilot. The cheaper airplanes had hilarious annual bills. I remember a 15 thousand dollar 152 having an annual that ended up totaling it right after the guy bought it. Which reminds me. GET A PREBUY WITH SOMEONE YOU TRUST.
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Rolo posted:Also it really does seem like you’ve spent more than a day looking into this but I want to throw out there that aircraft maintenance is insanely expensive. Annual inspections costing 5 digit numbers when you were pretty sure everything was fine can pop up, especially on a 30 year old 50k airplane. Yeah this is my main concern about going complex. There's not that much to break on a 172, but a 210 has a lot more poo poo that can go expensively bad with very little warning. Rolo posted:Which reminds me. GET A PREBUY WITH SOMEONE YOU TRUST. On that note, what's the general consensus on Savvy? I probably won't go for the maintenance management, but they do offer a prebuy service.
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fatman1683 posted:There's not that much to break on a 172, but a 210 has a lot more poo poo that can go expensively bad with very little warning. I know what you’re trying to say but oh yes there is a lot of stuff that can break expensively on a 172. The engine, avionics and airframe are basically held together with hope and money. Nobody actually knows how any of it works.
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Speaking of buying planes and expensive poo poo that can go wrong, my club got another Seneca II. This one has de-ice boots and other anti-icing equipment, so we can actually conduct training into IMC during the 9 months of the year it's miserable and frigid here.
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PT6A posted:Speaking of buying planes and expensive poo poo that can go wrong, my club got another Seneca II. This one has de-ice boots and other anti-icing equipment, so we can actually conduct training into IMC during the 9 months of the year it's miserable and frigid here. I loved working on one that had one of those Janitrol heaters in the tail. Burning avgas and blowing it half a foot away from your elevator cables, what could possibly go wrong.
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Rolo posted:I loved working on one that had one of those Janitrol heaters in the tail. Burning avgas and blowing it half a foot away from your elevator cables, what could possibly go wrong. Didn’t really think about that, but the heaters are loving awesome for operating in this poo poo climate. The heating system in a 172 is not the best for flying when it’s below -10 or so.
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