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ate all the Oreos posted:seriouspost: i have a friend who has severe dyslexia who can't use anything except those loving flowchart visual programming bullshit things and she's basically writing an entire videogame in one (that I plan on kinda, coming in behind her and rewriting chunks of it in raw code before it's released) and she's been able to do some really impressive, complex poo poo with it so far that she'd never be able to do any other way there does seem to be some actual progress on this front, i have flip-flopped back to believing that there might be some promise to visual programming still granted i do think that you want the smalltalk-style persistent image programming for visual programming, which is fantastically out of style, but it does not seem that improbable that it may come back around
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Jonny 290 posted:legit curious how she'd dig Hypercard. i barely know anything about it so i can't say for sure but she might like it, she's real good at visualizing complex data and connections in her head - it's just if she tries to read or write it out in code it quickly scrambles itself up on the page and the curly boys (as she calls em') especially get all mixed up
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Jonny 290 posted:legit curious how she'd dig Hypercard. or mTropolis
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man who taught me lisp had dyslexia he was a junior at the place i went to while i was a freshman. the rest of his schedule besides his little lisp class he was teaching for fun was 4th-year graduate algebraic topology classes. i went to the kinda place that had 5 graduate algebraic topology classes
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Squeezy Farm posted:you're a crotchety old man and this generation is going to leave you in the dust despite your advanced knowledge of programming languages and cherry mx blue switches hth seems unlikely they're too busy twitch streaming in their mothers' basements
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Squeezy Farm posted:you're a crotchety old man and this generation is going to leave you in the dust despite your advanced knowledge of programming languages and cherry mx blue switches hth Every generation is poo poo.
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this guy proactively apologies on behalf of Ol’ Musky for killing himself https://jalopnik.com/tesla-fanboy-writes-online-will-to-be-sure-no-one-sues-1824998711
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tipping point reached; telsa fanboys objectively the worst out of all others
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tazjin posted:
Fill the website with 2pt white text racial slurs
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Chris Knight posted:or mTropolis mtropolis was loving awesome
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ate all the Oreos posted:the curly boys (as she calls em') especially get all mixed up 
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ate all the Oreos posted:the curly boys im stealing this
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https://twitter.com/Jim_Brunner/status/981699092358168576
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Amazon's big balls
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Nothing matters. Use Postmates. 
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just gonna save this to my “agitprop” folder to use the next time someone brings up visual programming
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ate all the Oreos posted:seriouspost: i have a friend who has severe dyslexia who can't use anything except those loving flowchart visual programming bullshit things and she's basically writing an entire videogame in one (that I plan on kinda, coming in behind her and rewriting chunks of it in raw code before it's released) and she's been able to do some really impressive, complex poo poo with it so far that she'd never be able to do any other way that’s great! does she also aggressively use all of the encapsulation functionality that her environment offers? on the CD-ROM edutainment title a company I worked for did, they found anything larger than like four to seven connected objects needed encapsulation in order to keep things manageable. (the fact that I said “CD-ROM edutainment” should give you an idea of when this was… the project started in Sirius Developer and was finished after that was bought and renamed to Novell AppBuilder)
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ate all the Oreos posted:i barely know anything about it so i can't say for sure but she might like it, she's real good at visualizing complex data and connections in her head - it's just if she tries to read or write it out in code it quickly scrambles itself up on the page and the curly boys (as she calls em') especially get all mixed up maybe she just needs a non-bracetastic language HyperCard was interesting because you put scripts directly on controls (which Visual BASIC later emulated) but you could also attach scripts to the cards themselves, the stack, and so on, to handle other aspects of it the HyperTalk language had more regular syntax than the AppleScript English dialect that was inspired by it, while still being English-like; I think I recall that it actually used x := y for assignment instead of “set x to y” and so on, and didn’t require all sorts of articles and prepositions and so on, though both are very Pascal-ish (begin/end rather than {} and so on) also both AppleScript and HyperTalk use -- to indicate an end-of-line comment, and instead of using a statement separator or terminator like . or ; they require ¬ (option-L) as a line continuation character; this all actually reads rather well: code:
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big downsides of something like HyperCard: • almost impossible to version-control or diff in any sensible fashion • almost impossible to have multiple people to work on in any sensible fashion • almost impossible to build libraries for because you hang scripts off of objects there were “pro” variants like SuperCard where you could do write more advanced scripts, compile to native code, etc. and import existing HyperCard stacks to start from but most people stuck to regular HyperCard because it’s what came with their Mac (from 1987 to 1992 or so)
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Whizbat! posted:im stealing this  
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intellisense would win
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i made a lot of weird crap with hypercard when i was 10. games & animations & stuff
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CommunistPancake posted:intellisense would win i have seen intellisense melt down and start flagging valid poo poo as errors because of a misplaced character hundreds of lines away.
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Bhodi posted:i'm saying just being hot is not enough, just like just being good at video games is not enough on it's own. people on twitch are ad-lib entertainers and it requires a number of factors. there's a whole list of things that go into being successful and some are things like streaming consistently at certain times to build up a base of people one important thing is to never shut up (well, not for minutes at a time anyway). there might nothing going on in the game right now, but you have to have something to say.
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TerminalRaptor posted:YouTube's live service let's you do the same and the few times I've stumbled into it it's been filled with idiots spamming racial slurs and swastikas. because for some reason in 2018 moderation tools are poo poo and the defaults are even worse. by default just make any commenters posting slurs (just a simple word list even) take an automatic 5 minute time out (and don't post the message on stream) for the first offense and go up for any subsequent offenses. give the streamer an option to disable the filter if they deperately want the slurs visible. maybe employ some 𝕄𝕒𝕔𝕙𝕚𝕟𝕖 𝕃𝕖𝕒𝕣𝕟𝕚𝕟𝕘 to help remove the hate speech.
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eschaton posted:maybe she just needs a non-bracetastic language eh i don't think it's the specific characters as much as it's just the characters in general get mixed up real easy. she also can't really "see" the flow of the program or what's connected to what at all when looking at the code, but when looking at the visual flowchart stuff she can quickly figure it out just by looking at the shape of it, even the super complex ones with a ton of poo poo going on. we've discussed tryin' to set her up with some well-formatted C++ and one of those plugins that colors the code based on the depth or w/e when i get some time, because color-coding works real well for her so maybe she can at least figure out how to read the stuff if not write it. eschaton posted:that’s great! yeah she makes heavy use of encapsulation and takes the time to go back and refactor anything that's gotten too big into subunits. from what i've seen the "code" is actually very clean, or at least as clean as those things can be 
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that first reply lol https://twitter.com/jivejiverson/status/981733870893543425
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eschaton posted:big downsides of something like HyperCard: hypercard libraries did exist in the form of native code blobs you could embed in your stack and invoke from hypertalk. when I messed with hypercard I had one that did full-color sprite animations hypercard was so old that it never had real native support for color and using images with more than 1 bit of depth always required extra tools and hacks haveblue fucked around with this message at 13:20 on Apr 5, 2018 |
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eschaton posted:just gonna save this to my “agitprop” folder to use the next time someone brings up visual programming I've seen some amazing stuff done with Labview. I've also seen it used in strange places. in ~2007 at least some of the Chemical-Mechanical Planarization systems used in semiconductor manufacturing used labview to control the detection of the process endpoint.
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rip sk8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SK8 got the sdk at work but never had time to play with it
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meatpotato posted:tipping point reached; telsa fanboys objectively the worst out of all others corporate fanboys are the lowest form of life there was something on folklore.org about how some early apple project got canned along with its development team and the former employees assigned to said project actually started breaking into the office daily to complete the development of said project, for free may we all find somebody who cares as much about making us happy as those dorks cared about making steve jobs rich
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tech bubble and secfuck intersectionality edition: women focused digital jitney suspends service after finding their entire records system is exposed, completely negating the entire concept of their service
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Chris Knight posted:rip sk8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SK8 sk8 is Open Source and you can still download it from places on the Internet that “SGI-esque granite” interface though
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eschaton posted:that “SGI-esque granite” interface though 
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Sapozhnik posted:corporate fanboys are the lowest form of life When you're working 90 hours a week and literally have nothing else going on in your life what else are you going to do?
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infernal machines posted:tech bubble and secfuck intersectionality edition: move fast and dox women
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tesla: our murderous ai isn't actually unsafe, you're supposed to be paying attention to the road after all
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"look this thing we market as a robotic car is just a driver-assist safety system when it comes to the court of law"
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