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BattleMaster posted:Yeah economics being called a science is pretty hosed. the first time i ever heard economics referred to as a science i felt deeply offended, but i think the appropriate way to interpret that assertion is "economics is ideally a science", in that it is a set of assertions about how the world might work that have the potential to be confronted with data. the fact that that rarely if ever happens is a condemnation of economists, not economics
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you could say it’s a dismal science
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they are certainly dismal scientists
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can it be a science if it's for all practical purposes impossible to run experiments
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don't forget that a core tenat of economics "science" is that all their theories are 100% impossible to prove but also always correct
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Trig Discipline posted:the first time i ever heard economics referred to as a science i felt deeply offended, but i think the appropriate way to interpret that assertion is "economics is ideally a science", in that it is a set of assertions about how the world might work that have the potential to be confronted with data. economics is lovely because rich ppl have a strong incentive to bankroll lovely economists but austrian economics explicitly rejects empiricism, it's more a religion than a science
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haveblue posted:can it be a science if it's for all practical purposes impossible to run experiments checkmate, evolutionists 
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what did austria ever do that the whole country is nominally tied to mises besides produce hitler, i mean
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haveblue posted:can it be a science if it's for all practical purposes impossible to run experiments science is amoral economic science doubly so
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I'm okay with economists calling their field a science bc I get to ask them how many times they repeated their trials and how many people have reproduced the results I also enjoy telling them "actually, it's called the Swedish National Bank's Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel"
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it’s bullshit that they even allow them to award it at the same time
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In the end, it's the Swedish bank that holds Nobel's inheritance and performs the steps in his will - which is handing out the prizes. Sadly, being a bank, they're in a prime position to hand out a prize of their own at the same time. Nobel, feeling regret for the people who had died due to his invention of dynamite, came up with the idea of the prizes in order to try and convince people to make the world better for everyone. He specifically chose categories that he thought would have a direct net positive effect on society as a whole. The categories he chose are certainly debatable, yes. But economy absolutely does not belong with them, goes directly against his will, and Nobel probably turns in his grave every time someone calls it the 'economy Nobel prize'. Another fun fact is that while most Nobel prize winners are chosen by Swedish committees of experts, the bank managed to outsource the handling of the Peace Prize to a Norwegian committee. I believe that's the smartest move they've ever done. The peace Prize is often the most controversial, and if the 'wrong' person ever gets one, their enemies will likely bomb Oslo instead of Stockholm.
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Sagebrush posted:I'm okay with economists calling their field a science bc I get to ask them how many times they repeated their trials and how many people have reproduced the results Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:checkmate, evolutionists
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Improbable Lobster posted:don't forget that a core tenat of economics "science" is that all their theories are 100% impossible to prove but also always correct this is only austrian-style economics
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Carbon dioxide posted:In the end, it's the Swedish bank that holds Nobel's inheritance and performs the steps in his will - which is handing out the prizes. Sadly, being a bank, they're in a prime position to hand out a prize of their own at the same time. As if someone who's gonna flip their poo poo about the peace prize recipient is gonna bother to check which Scandinavian country is specifically responsible before they start bombing.
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also his living descendants straightup hate the idiot bank prize
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haveblue posted:can it be a science if it's for all practical purposes impossible to run experiments Is astronomy a science?
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instantrunoffvote posted:Is astronomy a science? are you saying you can't run astronomical experiments?
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science is about making and testing predictions. controlled, repeatable experiments are the gold standard but it would be ludicrous to hold every scientific discipline to that. it's a dumb misconception that is often used in bad faith to discredit evolution and climate science economics develops theory and makes testable predictions. it's a (social) science
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:science is about making and testing predictions. controlled, repeatable experiments are the gold standard i believe the term youre looking for is fiat science
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economics is about as scientific as tarot reading or voodoo
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:science is about making and testing predictions. controlled, repeatable experiments are the gold standard but it would be ludicrous to hold every scientific discipline to that. it's a dumb misconception that is often used in bad faith to discredit evolution and climate science maybe but the point is that the bank awards a prize for economics right alongside the legit prizes for "other" hard sciences like chemistry and physics
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I guess this isn't worthless because lmao at the idea of finding this immoral even outside of the contextat least I got to have you johnny posted:Test audience reactions led to several minor changes before the film was released. Originally, it was clear that Carmen was torn between Rico and Zander. Test audiences, regardless of gender, strongly felt that a woman could not love two men at once, so scenes which portrayed this were cut. These audiences also felt it was immoral for Carmen to choose a career ahead of being loyal to Rico, to the extent that many commented that, in so doing, Carmen should have been the one to die instead of Dizzy. While admitting it may have been a bad commercial decision not to change the film to accommodate this, the directors did cut a scene from after Zander's death where Carmen and Rico kiss, which the audience believed made the previous betrayal even more immoral.
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a woman can definitely love two men at once, i've seen videos
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Carbon dioxide posted:Another fun fact is that while most Nobel prize winners are chosen by Swedish committees of experts, the bank managed to outsource the handling of the Peace Prize to a Norwegian committee. I believe that's the smartest move they've ever done. The peace Prize is often the most controversial, and if the 'wrong' person ever gets one, their enemies will likely bomb Oslo instead of Stockholm. It was Nobel himself who gave the Peace prize decision to the Norwegian government.
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Trig Discipline posted:a woman can definitely love two men at once, i've seen videos but enough about your mom's home movies
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Lutha Mahtin posted:It was Nobel himself who gave the Peace prize decision to the Norwegian government. how many were killed by alfred nobel's invention, dynamite?
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:maybe but the point is that the bank awards a prize for economics right alongside the legit prizes for "other" hard sciences like chemistry and physics oh no, economists ruining it for the legit nobel laureates like bob dylan, barack obama, henry kissenger, and the lady currently presiding over a genocide in myanmar
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kissinger: great peace prize recipient or greatest peace prize recipient
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dylan absolutely deserves his prize
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prefect posted:how many were killed by alfred nobel's invention, dynamite?
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:kissinger: great peace prize recipient or greatest peace prize recipient tbh tho he might deserve it for stopping drunk nixon from nuking korea. actually maybe kissenger could come out of retirement, his skills in this area might be of use
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Sweevo posted:economics is about as scientific as tarot reading or voodoo
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prefect posted:how many were killed by alfred nobel's invention, dynamite? still my fav political cartoon ever 
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holy poo poo piss
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yeah pretty much there are like a hundred or more other videos but this is the condensed version of losethos guy on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joFxNfTS214
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:tbh tho he might deserve it for stopping drunk nixon from nuking korea. actually maybe kissenger could come out of retirement, his skills in this area might be of use lol you should click that link i posted
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George posted:so ive long had problems with the way we rank and label the sciences, and even with how much import we give the label "science" and fight over what disciplines "deserve" it. like its only because it got labeled a soft science or social science or whatever than economists got their hackles up and tried to prove that their flavore of bs is JUST AS RIGOROUS AND IMPORTANT AS SUPREME FATHER PHYSICS and so we have this horrible dick-waving across all academia about whose throbbing rock-hard boner is the longestr
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the success of science in effecting an incremental improvement in a vast array of areas over the past 100 years has lead the current discourse to the view that science is what makes academic work, or thinking in general, good, where it actually is a method with extremely limited applicability. we have in the past already seen the issue in the areas of race biology, and a lot of almost as lovely things going on in the views on psychology and treatment of mental illness, but it is now ingrained enough that it is hard to even have a conversation about also: trump is the most scientific president, as we have not previously run an experiment checking how having an idiot running the free world would work out, nor, in particular, verified the hypothesis that universal death in nuclear hellfire may have a positive effect on the rates of teen pregnancy
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