|
See lots of new lawyer thread posts. Of course it's a prospective law student. Go to law school since Toona is almost done and I want three more years of this plot.
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 16:56
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 8, 2024 13:26 |
|
|
Look Sir Droids posted:See lots of new lawyer thread posts. Of course it's a prospective law student. Idk man, it's not clear to me some Canuck is going to be making plays like Toona did.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 17:26
|
|
|
Got in-house offer. 9% pay increase. Don't know about benefits yet, but goodbye current job basically.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 20:24
|
|
|
Throatwabler lived in canada for a bit iirc.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 20:28
|
|
|
Look Sir Droids posted:Got in-house offer. 9% pay increase. Don't know about benefits yet, but goodbye current job basically. Do you have any idea what kind of work? Decent mix of things or are you going to mostly work in one specific area?
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 20:47
|
|
|
It'll be litigation.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 20:57
|
|
|
Got an interview for a County Attorney position in the county I would prefer to practice in. Would be transitioning from Public Defender to County Attorney, would get a $13,000 pay bump (with pension time carrying over), and my commute would be 25 minutes shorter. Aside from the fact that the new job would pit me against my former boss, hard to see any downside.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 20:59
|
|
|
GET MONEY posted:Is quitting a comfortable, mid-level tech career in Canada to take on debt and attend a non-T14 but fairly well-respected regional US law school with partial scholarship a terrible idea that will inevitably end in destitution? If you’re not going to like Harvard or something most Canadian firms won’t have any clue where you went to school so good luck finding articles. American law is sufficiently different you’ll have to relearn almost everything. If you’re planning on working in Canada yes this is a terrible idea.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 21:09
|
|
|
LeschNyhan posted:If you’re not going to like Harvard or something most Canadian firms won’t have any clue where you went to school so good luck finding articles. American law is sufficiently different you’ll have to relearn almost everything. If you’re planning on working in Canada yes this is a terrible idea. Agreed with all of these points. Also to add: if you have any intention on coming back to practice in Canada after law school, why the hell wouldn't you just go to a Canadian law school in the first place? Tuition is much cheaper than US schools, the education is actually useful (to the extent that law school itself actually teaches you anything), your degree/law society membership will actually be transferable between FPT jurisdictions, all Canadian law schools are more or less respectable as long as you're not trying to get into Bay Street Big Law so there's none of that T14 bullshit, firms will recognize that your JD isn't from a diploma mill, bank and government student loans will be easier to get, etc etc etc. If you plan on staying in the USA forever though, then you are clearly crazy.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 21:42
|
|
|
I have no relation to toona or ThroatWarbler though it's not unimaginable that I will try to hook up with study partners and/or make semi-autistic inquiries towards a potential employer.EwokEntourage posted:Why do you want to quit? Your career in law (if any) will mostly likely ended doing patent work or other work related to whatever field you are leaving Lawyering seems like a fun change of pace and extremely in line with my skills. My current job I could do backwards with my eyes closed, and law seems at the very least less rote. At worst, it would lead to about the same functionally as current conditions but with the excitement of crippling debt and a higher chance of falling into crippling poverty. IP law is interesting but patents too technical and a complete career pivot is appealing. Vox Nihili posted:How much are you "comfortably" making now, how "partial" is the scholarship, and how "fairly well-respected" (lol) is the school? Earning a nice five figures, reasonably reaching the low six figures in the same amount of time it would take to finish law school. Scholarship is about 80% tuition which makes the cost of attendance comparable to a Canadian school. The school is probably the 3rd best in the local market and I believe has one of the largest alumni networks in the state. It's where I'd love to practice in an ideal world. Phil Moscowitz posted:More importantly why the gently caress would you leave Canada for the land of Donald Trump No one's out here making Canada great again and the weather sucks. Gleri posted:I'm struggling to imagine why you would want to do this. What are you hoping to accomplish with this plan? What do you envision would be a successful outcome of your plan? Working as a junior associate at a mid-tier regional law firm who will pay off student debt for the next ten years? That's probably your best case scenario. You could easily end up unemployed with crippling debts and reduced job prospects. Whatever your goal is I suspect there are better ways to accomplish it. Tech is boring after nearly 20 years. Corporate/transactional stuff sounds lame but IP and some in-house counsel sounds swanky. Civil lit or criminal defense, working up to partner would be goals, or perhaps my own boutique firm. Even 2007 doc review life doesn't sound awful. Where are the jobs (for foreigners)? And what specifically is so bad about a law career? Spending my Friday nights researching archaic statutes to draft pedantic ex parte motions for summary judgement or w/e actually sounds like a dream job, and I can pick up a substance abuse problem pretty quickly if necessary. LeschNyhan posted:If you’re not going to like Harvard or something most Canadian firms won’t have any clue where you went to school so good luck finding articles. American law is sufficiently different you’ll have to relearn almost everything. If you’re planning on working in Canada yes this is a terrible idea. Tipps posted:Agreed with all of these points. I'm waitlisted at some borderline T14, but paying full sticker is a difficult proposition. I'd probably want to practice in the US (specifically where I've fielded applications), but financially maybe sucking it up in Canada and making my way down later is more prudent. So far I've only been accepted to the lesser echelon of Canadian schools, so it's making the weather and similarly priced education in the US more appealing. GET MONEY fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Apr 5, 2018 |
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 21:56
|
|
|
I'd rather read about your struggle and failures and regrets over the next few years than about how other people are having success so I say go for it. Welcome to America, son.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 22:02
|
|
|
GET MONEY posted:No one's out here making Canada great again and the weather sucks. lol 
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 22:02
|
|
|
GET MONEY posted:
Dude come on. Too obvious
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 22:04
|
|
|
I'm reading that you want a career change but nothing very specific about law, what draws you in about it?
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 22:04
|
|
|
Obviously west coast best coast forever. Hoshi posted:I'm reading that you want a career change but nothing very specific about law, what draws you in about it? Lots of reading, research, writing, creative pedantry, constantly changing challenges, and competition. All things I excel at and which are not being fulfilled by my current employment. Please let me know if I'm mistaken about what the actual practice of law involves.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 22:09
|
|
|
My job loving sucks, don't do it.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 22:12
|
|
|
GET MONEY posted:Please let me know if I'm mistaken about what the actual practice of law involves. you're an rear end in a top hat who selectively reads things to only see things that already fit his point of view, you'll fit in perfectly.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 22:14
|
|
|
mastershakeman posted:you're an rear end in a top hat who selectively reads things to only see things that already fit his point of view, you'll fit in perfectly. I actually purposely always try to read things that specifically challenge my point of view, but I am an rear end in a top hat so...mixed messages here.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 22:17
|
|
|
When I interviewed at jobs, I used to tell people I wanted a job where I did something different every day. Everyone agreed with me that that was a good idea and that’s what practicing law was like. They were lying. They knew they were lying. I now know they were lying.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 22:23
|
|
|
This is too obvious. On the other hand, we said the same thing about Toona and here we are. So I look forward to seeing how this all lights on loving fire.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 22:33
|
|
|
GET MONEY posted:Obviously west coast best coast forever. None of those are specific to practicing law, do you have a more specific motivation?
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 22:33
|
|
|
Also are you sure you don't want your constantly changing challenges to be something like starting a family and finding ways to lead a happy life as opposed to creative solutions to rear end in a top hat clients who probably won't pay you, but maybe they will?
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 22:35
|
|
|
You should definitely go to a U.S. law school so we can enjoy hearing about how you failed to get work authorization and you're barred from working in the U.S. in 3 years.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 22:43
|
|
|
I went to law school back in 2009 because law school didn't require math/calculus as an admission exam. That was my motivation. Look at me now.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 22:45
|
|
|
EwokEntourage posted:When I interviewed at jobs, I used to tell people I wanted a job where I did something different every day. Everyone agreed with me that that was a good idea and that’s what practicing law was like. They were lying. They knew they were lying. I now know they were lying. That's not true. Some days you draft a contract for the dry cleaning service. Other days you draft a contract for the food delivery service. I mean, sure, it's the same template and you just change the names, but hey, that's different!
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 22:50
|
|
|
GET MONEY posted:law seems at the very least less rote. Everyone else has already feeding-frenzied the rest of your post but this in particular: lol just lol That said, this very week I got to use the international law course I took in law school for the very first time in my job! ...to mercilessly dunk on the submission of some painfully earnest human rights activists because a) the treaty they're citing doesn't compel the relief they want, b) even if it did, the treaty is not self-executing and the legislature hasn't implemented it domestically, c) even if it had, their request was a loving terrible idea based on a totally incorrect reading of literally every legal instrument they cited. Pandas: there's a reason they're going extinct. vvvvvvvv Alexeythegreat posted:Edit: Unless you're litigating in a domestic court, in which case none of that poo poo applies Domestic admin tribunal, yes. Dallan Invictus fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Apr 5, 2018 |
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 22:53
|
|
|
Dallan Invictus posted:Everyone else has already feeding-frenzied the rest of your post but this in particular: lol just lol With the possible exception of more technical parts of international trade law (like technical barriers to trade, sanitary and phytosanitary measures) and the more obvious rules of international humanitarian law ("killing civilians is bad"), international law is always a 50/50 gamble. I honestly urge you to reassess whether you are, indeed, mercilessly dunking on said human rights activists. Edit: Unless you're litigating in a domestic court, in which case none of that poo poo applies GET MONEY posted:law seems at the very least less rote The only things more rote than law are data entry, accounting, and translations
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 23:01
|
|
|
If he loves the law, he loves the law. Don’t stop a man from his dream. He even offered to take up alcohol.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 23:13
|
|
|
what's the point of being a lawyer if I can't afford a drinking habit
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 23:44
|
|
|
What’s the point of a drinking habit if you don’t get to gamble with other people’s livelihood and freedom
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 23:47
|
|
|
This is all way too on the nose to be real.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 23:48
|
|
|
There’s a reason Cassandra, as a literary concept, has been around for thousands of years.
|
|
#
?
Apr 5, 2018 23:50
|
|
|
GET MONEY, you should go to law school. Just keep posting here while you do.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2018 01:35
|
|
|
Hoshi posted:Also are you sure you don't want your constantly changing challenges to be something like starting a family and finding ways to lead a happy life as opposed to creative solutions to rear end in a top hat clients who probably won't pay you, but maybe they will? Unequivocally way more interested in the latter. The only other job with a similar profile I think I might enjoy is management consulting. Something's strangely appealing about the mix of mind-numbing jargon, adversarial advocacy, and all-encompassing work that leaves no room for life balance. Kalman posted:You should definitely go to a U.S. law school so we can enjoy hearing about how you failed to get work authorization and you're barred from working in the U.S. in 3 years. This is one of my larger concerns. What are firms like on hiring a Canadian? I know it's relatively simple right now with TN visas until NAFTA implodes. And is the job market really still terrible for everyone? Because I hear that a lot but I know from experience most people seeking employment are morons with a Comic Sans resume and no common sense or relevant skills. My tech background, though I want to leave it behind, in line with where law seems to be heading w/r/t finally embracing "big data" and AI and all that. TheMadMilkman posted:That's not true. Maybe "rote" wasn't the right word. But my understanding is if I'm not doing corporate transactional work there's a wide variety of research and problem solving to do even if you wind up putting all your conclusions into the same boilerplate filing. Dallan Invictus posted:...to mercilessly dunk on the submission of some painfully earnest human rights activists because a) the treaty they're citing doesn't compel the relief they want, b) even if it did, the treaty is not self-executing and the legislature hasn't implemented it domestically, c) even if it had, their request was a loving terrible idea based on a totally incorrect reading of literally every legal instrument they cited. Like, submitting stuff like this, or all the other case files you guys post here actually sounds fun. Am I a Broken Person and does that just mean I'm going to do great in law school? Mr. Nice! posted:If you go to law school, you’ll end up in the middle of your class most likely and get a 50-60k/yr job to start. If you’re actually hard working enough to get to the top of your class, you might get a biglaw job where you’ll slave away for $150k with absolutely no life outside of being a biglaw associate. Missed this one, I think I can reasonably end up in the top 25% of the class. Aren't there any starting jobs in the $80-$90K salary range with room to grow? I'm not opposed to biglaw per se but I'm not a gunner (I choose not to gun) and I'll have effectively no network to lean on for job opportunities. GET MONEY fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Apr 6, 2018 |
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2018 02:54
|
|
|
Hot Dog Day #91 posted:GET MONEY, you should go to law school. Just keep posting here while you do. I think his posts are raising my blood pressure right now I don't know if I can survive this
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2018 02:56
|
|
|
He just jumped the shark on his troll. The worst part is people sincerely have that attitude. It's so loving lol to think people still go to law school after reading this thread. I'm serving as a witness for a mock trial competition tomorrow morning. National trial competition in Austin, Texas. Can't wait to loudly go "well, I OVERHEARD that his CHARACTER is TRUTHFUL" when being questioned.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2018 03:07
|
|
|
Hot Dog Day #91 posted:He just jumped the shark on his troll. I was molded by these forums so I can't help but post with a certain level of smartassery but I'm 100% facing this decision and not trolling. I mean for all the gripes in this thread almost all of you seem to have wound up with decent jobs.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2018 03:15
|
|
|
GET MONEY posted:I was molded by these forums so I can't help but post with a certain level of smartassery but I'm 100% facing this decision and not trolling. I mean for all the gripes in this thread almost all of you seem to have wound up with decent jobs. Best of luck, we're always here for you
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2018 03:17
|
|
|
Tell us you're stats (gpa/lsat), age, the schools you've been accepted to with scholarship, and where you want to live the rest of your life. Without this, we can assist no further. No one is going to doxx you from this info.
|
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2018 03:20
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 8, 2024 13:26 |
|
|
Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Tell us you're stats (gpa/lsat), age, the schools you've been accepted to with scholarship, and where you want to live the rest of your life. B average in undergrad, LSAT is top 3%, and I'd graduate in my early 30's. No home or spouse or chains to any particular location. LLS offered $ and I'd be OK with living the rest of my life in southern California or some other perennially warm jurisdiction. UCLA would be fantastic but without scholarship would be hard to justify. Still waiting to hear from BC/Ontario schools but Canada overall is so GPA focused I'm not particularly hopeful. My Canadian alternative right now is three years of penance in Manitoba but I think the cold might drive me insane and the US degree can go farther. edit: if any OPPS are reading this they must declare themselves otherwise this whole hypothetical is just another apples from the poision bush because i've been doing some reading to get ahead and GET MONEY fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Apr 6, 2018 |
|
#
?
Apr 6, 2018 03:38
|
|