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PMush Perfect posted:Good page, but what does he really expect Cap to do? Punch the AIDS out of him? Arnie's boyfriend was captured by some goons working for Baron Zemo. Captain America beats them up and even though Michael dies in a later storyline he gets out of that particular scrape ok. So maybe you were thinking of a different storyline where the superhero interacts with the AIDs crisis-- PAD's Hulk has a plot like this, and Northstar comes out as part of a plot about an HIV positive baby-- or maybe you were making a cheap joke about all gay characters having AIDs which would be super lovely and tacky!
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PMush Perfect posted:Good page, but what does he really expect Cap to do? Punch the AIDS out of him? Nobody here has AIDS unless you're just going for a "dur hur he a gay so AIDS" joke.
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W.T. Fits posted:Don't forget that way back in the very first issue of The Amazing Spider-Man, one of the two stories in that issue (the one featured on the cover, no less) was about Spider-Man basically breaking into the Baxter Building and picking a fight with the Fantastic Four in a misguided attempt to audition for a spot on their team. And then left when he found out it didn't pay anything.
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Senior Woodchuck posted:And then left when he found out it didn't pay anything. But they were lying to him because Ben Grimm got rich off it.
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Push El Burrito posted:But they were lying to him because Ben Grimm got rich off it. Only because Reed put his share in a separate account that he then didn't tell him about for 13 years. Comics, everybody!
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Senior Woodchuck posted:And then left when he found out it didn't pay anything. To be fair, his primary motivation for wanting to get paid in the first place was because Aunt May was struggling to make ends meet after Uncle Ben's death. But yeah, he breaks into their home, attacks them to try and impress them with how awesome he is so they'll hire him, then storms out in a huff when he finds out they're not hiring and even if they were, there's no paycheck involved. Not exactly the best first impression. So given such a rocky start, it's actually fairly impressive how far their relationship has progressed over the years. (This is the point where I'd post heartwarming pages of Spidey and the Fantastic Four if I had any of them.)
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W.T. Fits posted:To be fair, his primary motivation for wanting to get paid in the first place was because Aunt May was struggling to make ends meet after Uncle Ben's death.  Spider-Man's family is one of my favorite things in comics. Every time Aunt May calls him her son you know poo poo is getting real. Push El Burrito fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Apr 6, 2018 |
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Archyduke posted:Arnie's boyfriend was captured by some goons working for Baron Zemo. Captain America beats them up and even though Michael dies in a later storyline he gets out of that particular scrape ok. So maybe you were thinking of a different storyline where the superhero interacts with the AIDs crisis-- PAD's Hulk has a plot like this, and Northstar comes out as part of a plot about an HIV positive baby-- or maybe you were making a cheap joke about all gay characters having AIDs which would be super lovely and tacky! He did die of cancer
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W.T. Fits posted:To be fair, his primary motivation for wanting to get paid in the first place was because Aunt May was struggling to make ends meet after Uncle Ben's death.        
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Push El Burrito posted:
When John died, the only real replacement I'd have accepted was Peter.
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Archyduke posted:So maybe you were thinking of a different storyline where the superhero interacts with the AIDs crisis-- PAD's Hulk has a plot like this, and Northstar comes out as part of a plot about an HIV positive baby
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Alacron posted:I like this one for its simplicity, and for trying its damndest to get the point across without actually being able to say that Arnie was gay. Like those panels are good and they do a great job of the hero unquestionably helping out someone who is in trouble in a refreshing way. But logically Cap has to change from his clothes to his costume. So while Arnie is struggling to find the words and pouring his heart out, Steve Rogers is stripping.
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Senior Woodchuck posted:Only because Reed put his share in a separate account that he then didn't tell him about for 13 years. But from that we got "Why has he sent me a picture of the Grand Canyon?", so it was worth it.
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  Snagglepuss is straight up the best thing DC is publishing right now, for me at least. It's packed with deft metaphors and taut characters and, into the bargain, the art is really lovely and well-composed. There are sillier moments too. It reminds me a lot of Bojack Horseman for obvious reasons (talking animals co-existing with humans in the world of showbusiness, combining silly gags with dramatic character study), but also of the Tennessee Williams and Arthur Miller plays it's constantly riffing on, and also of Alan Moore at the height of his powers with how the story weaves interpersonal drama deftly through the figurative lens of McCarthyism, homophobia, and the threat of nuclear annihilation. I'd really recommend anyone who hasn't read it yet give it a look. I have a feeling this is a book that might slip under the radar, and it really doesn't deserve to.
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Android Blues posted:There are sillier moments too. It reminds me a lot of Bojack Horseman for obvious reasons (talking animals co-existing with humans in the world of showbusiness, combining silly gags with dramatic character study), but also of the Tennessee Williams and Arthur Miller plays it's constantly riffing on, and also of Alan Moore at the height of his powers with how the story weaves interpersonal drama deftly through the figurative lens of McCarthyism, homophobia, and the threat of nuclear annihilation. I'm curious, does it being Snagglepuss/having anthropomorphic animals do anything to enhance the story or is it mostly for recognition/sales, despite the, uh, distance it has from the source material. Also those panels were way heavier than what I thought a Snagglepuss comic would be.
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GrandpaPants posted:I'm curious, does it being Snagglepuss/having anthropomorphic animals do anything to enhance the story or is it mostly for recognition/sales, despite the, uh, distance it has from the source material. There are moments (mostly gags) where it comes into play. Quickdraw McGraw is a cop who comes from a long line of police horses. Squiddly Diddly gets work as a stagehand because he has so many limbs. In the plays Snagglepuss directs, there are human actors who play animal characters by wearing goofy looking cardboard snouts and ears. It's definitely not the focus, but kind of like Bojack they make a little hay with it. Mostly it uses the surreal comedy of these moments either as a palate cleanser, or to create a comparison between how weird and unreal this is and how weird and unreal the actual history of McCarthyism and the cold war could at times be. Historical events like the execution of the Rosenbergs and the kangaroo court hearings held by the House Committee of Un-American Activities are contrasted against the really surreal animal stuff, and it creates an overall impression of a strange and dehumanising period in history.
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Infinitum posted:Of course the giant pink anthropamorphic cat is gay Have...have you ever seen one of the original Hannah Barbera Snagglepuss cartoons? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4qFxTTi8q0
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site posted:It got a little dusty in here all of the sudden I have no idea what you are talking about  Still my favorite Hickman thing, and there are a lot to choose from.
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Android Blues posted:It's definitely not the focus, but kind of like Bojack they make a little hay with it. First of all: wonderful. Second of all: The most jarring thing about the anthropomorphic animals, BY FAR, is how the horse hands look.
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GrandpaPants posted:Also those panels were way heavier than what I thought a Snagglepuss comic would be. I dunno, I kind of expect heavy from the DC/Hanna-Barbera stuff after "We participated in a genocide, Barney."
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I wish I could take any of those H-B comics seriously because the words alone make it seem really heavy but then you add the cartoon characters and I simply can't.
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TwoPair posted:I wish I could take any of those H-B comics seriously because the words alone make it seem really heavy but then you add the cartoon characters and I simply can't. Comics.txt
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I think I'd honestly be more into those comics if the characters didn't look so bizarrely pseudo-realistic
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I think, for me, it's the combination of recognition and contrast. Like, Maus and Watership Down manage to be very strong emotional impacts, but they're all original characters and there's no jarring human/cartoon animal contrast. Just regular humans getting shot in the face. That said, all I can imagine with this is that at some point, a writer got handed a commission like "write a comic about Snagglepuss. Doesn't matter what's in it as long as it sells", and they decided that this was the best way to salvage their artistic integrity. Can't say I disagree.
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TwoPair posted:I wish I could take any of those H-B comics seriously because the words alone make it seem really heavy but then you add the cartoon characters and I simply can't. “But, doctor, I am Pagliacci.”
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I'm sure that's a very touching moment and all, but I really can't do anything but hear Snaglepuss talking with the same voice as the cartoon, which tends to undercut the pathos a bit. Heavens to Murgatroyd, I'm exiting this marriage...stage right even!
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PMush Perfect posted:That said, all I can imagine with this is that at some point, a writer got handed a commission like "write a comic about Snagglepuss. Doesn't matter what's in it as long as it sells", and they decided that this was the best way to salvage their artistic integrity. Can't say I disagree. Given how all the other HB comics have been, I feel like it's likely exactly the opposite; I feel like this kind of stuff is specifically what DC wants out of them, since most of them have been in this general kind of...conceptual umbrella? They're basically all about taking them seriously in a tongue-in-cheek manner; no irony or cynicism about the source material, just weird, interesting takes. If it wasn't on some level an editorial direction, I wouldn't think it would be so consistent across the line of HB stuff.
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It's similar to what's going on with the current Archie books.
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Gummy Joe posted:Heavens to Murgatroyd, I'm exiting this marriage...stage right even! For the attention to detail this comic seems to have, it has to be intentional that he does exactly that in the last frame here:
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Gummy Joe posted:I'm sure that's a very touching moment and all, but I really can't do anything but hear Snaglepuss talking with the same voice as the cartoon, which tends to undercut the pathos a bit. Have you ever met a playwright?
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Sexual Lorax posted:For the attention to detail this comic seems to have, it has to be intentional that he does exactly that in the last frame here: "Stage right" and "stage left" are from the perspective of an actor facing the audience, so that page he would be exiting stage left.
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Kramjacks posted:"Stage right" and "stage left" are from the perspective of an actor facing the audience, so that page he would be exiting stage left.
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Kramjacks posted:"Stage right" and "stage left" are from the perspective of an actor facing the audience, so that page he would be exiting stage left. Well I'll be gosh darned. I knew it was backwards, but I was under the impression it was backwards from the performers' point of view. I learned something today. 
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Sexual Lorax posted:Well I'll be gosh darned. I knew it was backwards, but I was under the impression it was backwards from the performers' point of view. I learned something today. Maybe, we the readers are the performers, and the comic is watching us???
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Kramjacks posted:Maybe, we the readers are the performers, and the comic is watching us??? Nah, it's not a Grant Morrison comic.
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Sexual Lorax posted:Well I'll be gosh darned. I knew it was backwards, but I was under the impression it was backwards from the performers' point of view. I learned something today. There's "stage" left and right, and "house" left and right, indicating the perspective.
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