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Epinephrine posted:Turn them into floating all-girls high schools! They’d be particularly vulnerable to US submarines, though.
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   Ohhh, that looks like a big expensive ship.   That counts as a good showing against Spitfires.  And I'll take that against Lightnings.  This could have gone a lot worse.  Boom!   We continue to take our toll of enemy shipping.  This takes them past 20,000 points lost in shipping.
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hailthefish posted:Well if it wasn't before, it's definitely Caliente now I'd imagine the loss of a fleet oiler would be a pretty big blow for the Americans, especially given how few forward bases they have.
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So running a battleship SAG to refuel another SAG in the teeth of allied airpower...worked?
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sparkmaster posted:So running a battleship SAG to refuel another SAG in the teeth of allied airpower...worked? With the only real casualties being one of the heroic light cruisers that they were sent to rescue and a lot of pilots from the Kido Butai. Although their sacrifice did sink three escort carriers that would have otherwise killed everyone 
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sparkmaster posted:So running a battleship SAG to refuel another SAG in the teeth of allied airpower...worked? Shattered Sword: The Untold Story of Running Battleships to Refuel Cruisers in the Teeth of Allied Airpower by Anthony Tully and Jonathan Parshall
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Apr 6, 2018 06:57
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Mwah Ha Ha! And you all doubted me! Seriously though, something is going to go horribly wrong at some point. My luck HAS to be running out!
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So I have been following LP for a while. How is the US submarine dominance shown in the game. As far as I read in Silent Storm, Japan was basically cut off at the end of the war due to submarines targeting Japans commercial traffic?
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The silent service shows up randomly, sinks a few transports, and then vanishes into the deep again. The AI doesn't have much in the way of forward bases and the submarine tenders keep showing up as parts of random task forces and getting sunk, so who knows where they're based and where they're patrolling.
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Cardiac posted:So I have been following LP for a while. The first thing to note is that the game accurately models the need for Japan to have a working merchant marine in the first place: Light/Heavy Industry is present in the Japanese cities, but they need Resources and Oil to run, and those things are only available outside of Japan, such as in the refineries of the Dutch East Indies. So you need to pick up the Oil from Palembang, and then ship it to Japan. (and then you also need to pick up Fuel and Supplies either directly from Palembang or from Japan, and then distribute it to your forward bases) The game then models exactly how much merchant shipping Japan had to conduct all of these movements. The game then also gives the US as many subs as it actually had - the player has to set patrol zones to try and interdict the shipping lanes as they cross back-and-forth from Tokyo to points south. As the subs sink more and more Japanese merchant vessels, they'll eventually run out, which means the entire thing industrial model grinds to a halt: no Oil and no Resources means no Fuel for ships to operate, no Industry points to produce planes with, and no Supplies to conduct land and air ops with. One particular rule that the game also implements is that Japanese subs obey their own historical doctrine of NOT attacking merchant shipping except in rare occasions, preferring to engage military targets instead.
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This is why we are seeing an increase of mu subs popping a torp off at a destroyer (and not the ships it's escorting) then getting depth charged to oblivion.
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What's the situation around Burma? Has Allies started land push? It seems that with all the fun around Rabaul and occasional updates on "Operation Charnel House" we see no info about it.
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Bugger all is happening.The bomb Rangoon every day, but there is nothing left to destroy there - the whole city is at 100% damage. My troops hold the outer towns and I have some planes on standby, but the British are not moving forwards at all. As soon as something happens, I'll let you know.
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Not doing anything in Burma is exactly what the Japanese did in real life and they lost the war. You don't want to lose the war, do you?
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I'll make you a deal. After Charnel House's stunning success, I'll march those half a million men into Burma. How does that sound?
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Given your luck with surface raiding, have you considered giving attacking Australia another try? You almost got them in the last gunfight, I'm sure.
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Ardeem posted:The silent service shows up randomly, sinks a few transports, and then vanishes into the deep again. The AI doesn't have much in the way of forward bases and the submarine tenders keep showing up as parts of random task forces and getting sunk, so who knows where they're based and where they're patrolling. As bad as the AI can be at the strategic level, it makes equally dumb moves at the tactical level, using tenders in cargo TFs and such. Moving and plcaing submarine tenders/destroyer tenders/fleet AGs, stuff like that is (and should be) a nail-biting decision that the AI just doesn't get.
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Grey Hunter posted:I'll make you a deal. After Charnel House's stunning success, I'll march those half a million men into Burma. Attacking the Soviets in early 1945 before they start the massive Manchurian invasion build-up may probably be a better last-minute run for/preservation of points compared to slogging through Burma.
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Grey Hunter posted:I'll make you a deal. After Charnel House's stunning success, I'll march those half a million men into Burma. Lol if you don't make amphibious landings all along the Indian coast and just march into Delhi like the victors you are.
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Grey Hunter posted:I'll make you a deal. After Charnel House's stunning success, I'll march those half a million men into Burma. I imagine they will march for a year, or something equally ridiculous.
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Grey Hunter posted:Mwah Ha Ha! And you all doubted me! Operation Charnel House goes tits up the first day and China unleashes a MegaStack that marches to the end of the Korean Peninsula. Thankfully you destroyed all allied ships so they are stuck on the wrong side of the water.
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How goes the strategic bombing of Charnel House? I think someone suggested that as it would mess with supply production and how fast the Chinese regained org
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Its not. My bombers refuse to fly the missions.
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Grey Hunter posted:Its not. My bombers refuse to fly the missions. So, have you gone down the 32-point checklist of poo poo you have to do to make bombing work? Have the air HQ in the right place, with the right supplies, on the right level of airfield, with the right planes, with the right pilots, with the right fuel, with a commander with the right skill, and the right level, blah blah blah?
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love too do tech support inside of my games
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This isn't the Lowtax Bone Fund thread
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Grey Hunter posted:Its not. My bombers refuse to fly the missions. Ah, the old Catch-22
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Cantorsdust posted:Ah, the old Catch-22
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The AI patrol zones for subs are not very well defined (usually 1-2 hexes set a few hexes away from important bases, along with 1/8 of the subs doing "defensive" patrols around friendly bases) so American subs aren't as effective as in real life where they were given a lot of freedom as to how to conduct their patrols. Add that to the facts that Grey actually organizes convoys and that the AI has no ability to react to different shipping patterns, and the natural result is that the Japanese merchant marine is in a much better position than it was historically at this point.
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Reuben Sandwich posted:But that was a B-25, GH has a problem getting the crews into a Betty. Between Charnel House, Jaluit, and Bettys, those are some brave men. I feel like a Betty crew assigned to Operation Charnel House has won the drat lottery, better to be there than anywhere else I'd think.
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Triggerhappypilot posted:The AI patrol zones for subs are not very well defined (usually 1-2 hexes set a few hexes away from important bases, along with 1/8 of the subs doing "defensive" patrols around friendly bases) so American subs aren't as effective as in real life where they were given a lot of freedom as to how to conduct their patrols. Add that to the facts that Grey actually organizes convoys and that the AI has no ability to react to different shipping patterns, and the natural result is that the Japanese merchant marine is in a much better position than it was historically at this point. I’ve read stuff on the Matrix forums that indicate that the Japanese ASW is far more effective than IRL which limits how effective the subs can be.
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Murgos posted:I’ve read stuff on the Matrix forums that indicate that the Japanese ASW is far more effective than IRL which limits how effective the subs can be. It’s an issue with how they model depth charges. The game model rewards rate of fire of depth charges and does relatively less based on the damage done or accuracy. The late war IJN escort ships had (historically) a lot of depth charge racks, but in the model their higher ROF more than makes up for their other weaker factors and makes them ahistorically effective. The 1945 IJN E classes can slaughter subs if they catch them. But strategically it’s not as big of a deal as other factors can be.
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  Repositioning my subs is paying off.  This sally finds only planes.  We bag two Liberators. Feels good.  drat flak.  That's another on fire.  I try and get some supplies into Wake. But they get a carrier up there.   I find a pocket of resistance outside Chunking. I forgot the op mode, but once I bring up some more men we should be able to clear these guys out.  I send a couple of units out of Chunking to wipe out those Chinese. They can come back later.  A poor day for our shipping.
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  My ships escape Wake just before the battleships arrive!  The Queen escapes again!  Fly south! Kill Queen!  AND a battleship? My god, their going to invade again!  The carriers are back in Rabul. The battleships are due back in tomorrow, so things could get interesting once more. It's been a busy few weeks!  Awww, I like sinking AA crusiers.
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