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skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

Tab8715 posted:

Active Directory needs so much less care and feeding these days than in the past.

Hell, with stuff like Windows AutoPilot there’s just less and less traditional System Administration work.

I’ll admit, it is tough finding competent Windows Administrators is also true.

Yeah, I mean I've been doing AD for 12 years now and I'm the lead AD SME in my org. It doesn't really need much babysitting, and the more junior guys on my team handle things like bringing up new DC's and demoting old ones, and reacting to reports I generate. I manage AD, AD Auditing tools, backups as my primary focus, and do other sysadmin work as well.

Honestly I spend most of my time planning future projects, domain migrations, and doing a ton of reporting. The reporting/auditing part has turned into a big part of my workload. Between internal/external auditors, the sec ops team, and other general reporting and audit stuff I stay fairly busy. My boss encourages me to delegate the 'actual work' to others so I can focus on other stuff. Also been working other stuff like identity management.

The sys admin role is and has always been evolving. AutoPilot might replace an orgs MDT or other imaging solution, but it still needs to be managed and configured. Those admins who learn new tech and evolve will always find work. It's the folks who don't that will have a problem.

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Sefal
Nov 8, 2011
Fun Shoe

Vargatron posted:

A recruiter also shouldn't be asking you to accept less money, but that's just my opinion.

A recruiter did try this with me.

"but would you be willing to work elsewhere for less than what you make but with a new challenge and good secondary benefits"

I hung up

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Sefal posted:

A recruiter did try this with me.

"but would you be willing to work elsewhere for less than what you make but with a new challenge and good secondary benefits"

I hung up

I usually respond with “challenges and benefits don’t pay my bills, money does”.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
There will always be jobs for people who can use AD and windows servers to do things that are "vaguely clever". Hell, that's basically my entire career, I can't see it dying out.

My current place is a small business that makes a decent turnover with like, 3 locations. It's the quietest job i've ever had, but i'm keeping busy with projects while I wait around for actual work to roll in. It's in that weird spot where they don't really need a full time IT person but nobody at the company had any IT knowledge, so they had to hire one.

When I was looking jobs like this were everywhere. I got this job a week after leaving my old one. Granted that was because of luck/ballsy interview questions but still, sysadmins are going to be around for a long long time, even lovely ones like me.

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal

Sefal posted:

A recruiter did try this with me.

"but would you be willing to work elsewhere for less than what you make but with a new challenge and good secondary benefits"

I hung up

A recruiter told me if I wanted to transition into security I'd have to take a step back down to an analyst role and take a pay cut. I told him I didn't think that was the case but to send over whatever he had. A few months later I interviewed for one of his roles and they doubled the starting salary to bring me on, which I declined because I had an even better role lined up.

So while you should never let recruiters neg you, they're used to dealing with really bad candidates most of the time. Once you show them what you really bring to the table they'll work their rear end off to get you a high paying role.

Sepist
Dec 26, 2005

FUCK BITCHES, ROUTE PACKETS

Gravy Boat 2k
A cold call recruiter knows nothing about you but expects the worst because 90% of the talent pool is crap. Don't get offended. You can always negotiate after an interview, I do it all the time. Nothing is set in stone until you sign contracts.

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

Man; I'm relatively happy at my job - I'm a business practice lead (e.g. I help IT generate revenue on projects we're engaged in with for various government entities) and I'm doing cool stuff (automation and cloud stuff).

I got a cold call from an internal recruiter for a large, reputable company; interviews / screenings so far have gone very well. Now they want to skip the video interview and fly me to Washington state for an on-site interview (I'm in the DC area). I know realistically I should probably go; but I've got two young kids at home and I don't hate my current job (it's got its warts; but all do).

Just venting because I know it's going to be a burden on my wife to go.

Sepist
Dec 26, 2005

FUCK BITCHES, ROUTE PACKETS

Gravy Boat 2k
If you're happy then why are you interviewing? Financials?

Also cube update. The office manager has such an issue with the random cube I choose that they put me in my own office until they find a cube for me. Maybe they'll forget and I'll just keep the office

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

Sirotan is a seal.


Walked posted:

Man; I'm relatively happy at my job - I'm a business practice lead (e.g. I help IT generate revenue on projects we're engaged in with for various government entities) and I'm doing cool stuff (automation and cloud stuff).

I got a cold call from an internal recruiter for a large, reputable company; interviews / screenings so far have gone very well. Now they want to skip the video interview and fly me to Washington state for an on-site interview (I'm in the DC area). I know realistically I should probably go; but I've got two young kids at home and I don't hate my current job (it's got its warts; but all do).

Just venting because I know it's going to be a burden on my wife to go.

Look at it as a free vacation with added bonus of interview practice.

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

Sepist posted:

If you're happy then why are you interviewing? Financials?


Because it's rarely smart to blindly shut down contact from first-party recruiters; it pays well; it's fully remote, and they reached out to me.


Sirotan posted:

Look at it as a free vacation with added bonus of interview practice.

Yeah; I know. In my single, pre-kids days this would be a total no-brainer.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
I'm 100% looking for entirely remote jobs when I have kids. I feel like it'll be fairer on my gf (who will be my wife soon, for sure) if i'm at home more.

So i guess the thing i'm confused at is are you worried its going to be too much stress in the short term? Even if working remotely would probably be better in the long term? Or are you working remote now?

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

Sirotan is a seal.


Walked posted:

Because it's rarely smart to blindly shut down contact from first-party recruiters; it pays well; it's fully remote, and they reached out to me.


Yeah; I know. In my single, pre-kids days this would be a total no-brainer.

Oh, I guess the way I was reading your post, I thought you were stressed about the possibility of moving cross-country if you got a new job, not that the burden was from being away for the interview.

Take a red-eye out and come back late the same day?

Sepist
Dec 26, 2005

FUCK BITCHES, ROUTE PACKETS

Gravy Boat 2k
Yeah I also took that the wrong way as I know someone who uplifted his family of 7 from Connecticut to go live in Seattle so he can work at Amazon.

I'm sure your wife would support your decision since it will end in you working from home possibly. My wife is all about that when we have kids.

Walked
Apr 14, 2003

Yeah; I think the big brain hiccup I'm dealing with is the potential 3weeks of onboarding in Washington should it pan out.

But you all said what I needed to hear; sending them the info to book the flight :unsmith:

Sefal
Nov 8, 2011
Fun Shoe
you guys make good points.

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
Unless things have changed alot, amazon usually feeds you well and tries to sell you on the city. My information is a few years old though.

Captain Ironblood
Nov 9, 2009

Judge Schnoopy posted:

A recruiter told me if I wanted to transition into security I'd have to take a step back down to an analyst role and take a pay cut. I told him I didn't think that was the case but to send over whatever he had. A few months later I interviewed for one of his roles and they doubled the starting salary to bring me on, which I declined because I had an even better role lined up.

So while you should never let recruiters neg you, they're used to dealing with really bad candidates most of the time. Once you show them what you really bring to the table they'll work their rear end off to get you a high paying role.

What sort of credentials did you have beforehand?

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal

Captain Ironblood posted:

What sort of credentials did you have beforehand?

2 years MSP, 1 year network specialist, 1 year IT manager

E: shitton of certs too (8), bachelor's degree on top

Judge Schnoopy fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Apr 6, 2018

Captain Ironblood
Nov 9, 2009

Judge Schnoopy posted:

2 years MSP, 1 year network specialist, 1 year IT manager

This is close to me, neat. 2 years MSP help desk, 1 1/2 year project lead / sys admin, 1 year manager / project lead / sys admin.

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.
I had a recruiter talk to me like he thought I was joking when I told him what my salary requirement would be to commute to Armonk. Dude, I'm literally just taking my existing hourly salary and adding in my commute

Zorak of Michigan
Jun 10, 2006


jaegerx posted:

Is there anything more satisfying than deleting that email of a stupid request you don’t have to deal with anymore cause you don’t work at the company now.

Sorry jackass. I will not rewrite your code so it works in lambda.

Write him a Lisp program that includes a lambda function that executes his existing code. Act surprised that it isn't what he wants.

chocolateTHUNDER
Jul 19, 2008

GIVE ME ALL YOUR FREE AGENTS

ALL OF THEM
Is there a discord or something everyone in here hangs out in?

Vargatron
Apr 19, 2008

MRAZZLE DAZZLE


chocolateTHUNDER posted:

Is there a discord or something everyone in here hangs out in?

It's called the Final Fantasy 14 Discord

(Not really)

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





I think there was an IRC channel at some point.

If there's not currently a chat room there's a general SA Discord server that is gigantic. I'm sure we could get a room created there - http://discordgoons.com/

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal
We have three threads that collect hundreds of posts a day, what would discord really get us

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!
F joining that giant goon Discord. We should have an IT goon slack, it's right up all our alleys. I can make it if that sounds good?

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Judge Schnoopy posted:

We have three threads that collect hundreds of posts a day, what would discord really get us

Another place to ban DAF from

Methanar
Sep 26, 2013

by the sex ghost

Judge Schnoopy posted:

We have three threads that collect hundreds of posts a day, what would discord really get us

Voting against chat. I read enough chat in one day. Forums are easy to read backlog on.

mattfl
Aug 27, 2004

CLAM DOWN posted:

F joining that giant goon Discord. We should have an IT goon slack, it's right up all our alleys. I can make it if that sounds good?

Oh man I'd totally be down to join a goon slack.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

I still sit in #sysadmins IRC channel and that's enough for me.

chocolateTHUNDER
Jul 19, 2008

GIVE ME ALL YOUR FREE AGENTS

ALL OF THEM

Judge Schnoopy posted:

We have three threads that collect hundreds of posts a day, what would discord really get us

I was just asking bro

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





I love IT. We come up with 4 different "solutions" in 5 minutes.

(I too prefer forums over chat.)

chin up everything sucks
Jan 29, 2012

A fair number of people hang out in #bofh on synirc

MC Fruit Stripe
Nov 26, 2002

around and around we go
I talk to you guys plenty, thanks.

The irony of using a chat medium to ask if there's another place we should also chat.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


But are we 100% certain that we don't need a wiki?

Judge Schnoopy
Nov 2, 2005

dont even TRY it, pal

Thanks Ants posted:

But are we 100% certain that we don't need a wiki?

Only if it's SharePoint based, tied to a low cost underpowered server and administered by volunteers too busy with other poo poo to do.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Thanks Ants posted:

But are we 100% certain that we don't need a wiki?

Sorry, this is where I am drawing the line. A wiki is always the answer.

Sefal
Nov 8, 2011
Fun Shoe

CLAM DOWN posted:

F joining that giant goon Discord. We should have an IT goon slack, it's right up all our alleys. I can make it if that sounds good?

Down for this.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Judge Schnoopy posted:

Only if it's SharePoint based, tied to a low cost underpowered server and administered by volunteers too busy with other poo poo to do.

I have an installer for long-discontinued SharePoint Foundation Server if someone can supply a 2008 R2 box.

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The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:
Need some advice on in-place changing the SID for a bunch of windows 10 intel sticks without sysprep. They were badly cloned, had the same SID, and this obviously breaks WSUS horribly. Sysprep /generalize is not an option, unfortunately.

We found http://www.stratesave.com/html/sidchg.html but unfortunately the trial key is only for march and we're not going to purchase something without testing it.

Any advice would be very appreciated.

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