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Ten Becquerels
Apr 17, 2012

My Little Tony: Leadership is Magic
Historically people like me have treated them with the same extreme prejudice as cane toads and I talk about them as if they were feral cats and then THEY have the nerve to call me an arsehole! Did I mention how I view Aboriginal people as a pest? :australia:

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Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Konomex posted:

Someone explain it to me? How does listening to a didgeridoo in Australia make her feel like a second-class citizen? Or is she just upset that she gets told to shut her idiot face when she says racist things?
We've done so much for them and they're ungrateful, uncivilised bastards who just want more and more.

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Graic Gabtar posted:

Sorry to trigger you.

The 'doesn't agree 100% with everyone = complete oval office' auspol culture kicking in I guess.

lol

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
I tap dance between Labor shill and full communism now.

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

Some goons overreact. Go figure.
Greens accuse Labor of gerrymander in draft seat redistribution

Lol.

asio
Nov 29, 2008

"Also Sprach Arnold Jacobs: A Developmental Guide for Brass Wind Musicians" refers to the mullet as an important tool for professional cornet playing and box smashing black and blood

Incidentally, the taco bell at annerley is more or less the apex of the "green triangle" as referred to by qld labor, and is why there will always be electoral boundaries breaking up pa hospital/annerley/yeronga/greenslopes/tarragindi. Southern suburbs are greener than inner south but the boundaries have kept those uppity hippies in check

Schlesische
Jul 4, 2012

K, so what I learned is that there's a bunch of poo poo going down inside VicLabor and that part of it is parachuting Jane Garrett in to that new seat.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Can we all have taco Bell yet?

Konomex
Oct 25, 2010

a whiteman who has some authority over others, who not only hasn't raped anyone, or stared at them creepily...

Doctor Spaceman posted:

We've done so much for them and they're ungrateful, uncivilised bastards who just want more and more.

So the exact same people who will claim they're not responsible for the genocide of Aboriginals because it wasn't them personally will turn around and claim all the benefits as something they personally brought them, despite it also not actually being them?

Schlesische
Jul 4, 2012

Konomex posted:

So the exact same people who will claim they're not responsible for the genocide of Aboriginals because it wasn't them personally will turn around and claim all the benefits as something they personally brought them, despite it also not actually being them?

It all comes down to affirmative action.

The logic is:
I didn't do nothing to them,
Kevin said we're sorry already (or, we don't have anything to be sorry for),
My taxes pay for their benefits,
Why don't I/my kids get those benefits,
They shouldn't have those benefits.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Meanwhile Four Corners is running a taxation is theft episode

The Tax Office is facing calls for curbs on the "draconian" powers it uses to target small businesses.

The Australian Taxation Office has used disturbing and heavy-handed tactics to target small businesses, and — by the admission of its own Deputy Commissioner — the powerful institution sometimes gets it wrong.

A joint investigation by Four Corners and Fairfax can reveal mistakes are being made on as many as one in 20 tax cases according to an independent estimate — often with huge financial impacts to the taxpayers involved.

The ATO has been accused of playing judge, jury and executioner on cases, with small businesses, academics and tax experts calling for increased oversight and independent scrutiny of the office.

Contractor Kathryn Little knows first-hand how frightening and powerful the ATO can be. On September 11, 2017 they called her and essentially took away her ability to make a living.

I received a call from the Australian Taxation Office (ATO) saying, 'we are cancelling your ABN (Australian Business Number) today'," she told Four Corners.

"I asked how they could do this with no notice. I said 'what about the other firm I work for? I need my ABN to work for them'. The woman on the phone said 'that's not our problem'."

Ms Little is single, in her late 40s and a few years ago she suffered from a severe mental illness which forced her to quit her job as an environmental scientist.

She bought a caravan, travelled the country and picked up contract work, such as transcribing.

When the ATO cancelled her ABN, a number allocated to all businesses to allow the tax office to track payments and GST, it took away her ability to work as a contractor.

"My world literally fell apart. I had the rug pulled out from under me by the ATO. I was gobsmacked."

Ken Phillips (pictured) is a small business advocate who runs non-profit group Self Employed Australia (SEA) and has been working in the sector for more than 20 years.

He describes those who get embroiled in the ATO's web as akin to being "cooked slowly, until you are roasted and you are dead."

"You would have to describe this as an institution in Australia that has powers beyond any other institution. They can enter your home without a warrant, they have powers that exceed that of the police, they can sell your house from underneath you," he said.

Barrister Graeme Halperin (pictured below), a tax specialist who has been representing small businesses for 30 years, told Four Corners the ATO's powers could be described as "draconian".

"People are brought up to believe they have the presumption of innocence, that they have the right to remain silent, if they're questioned by the authorities, that the authorities are obliged to read them their rights, if they get into trouble, and that their assets can't be confiscated by the authorities. Now, in the world of tax, none of those things is true."

Kathryn Little was one of more than a dozen contractors, most of them single mothers, carers or people with serious health conditions, who the ATO called that day in September to inform them their ABNs had been terminated.

Their ABNs were cancelled because of an association with Adelaide-based transcription business OutScribe, which was in the ATO's sights after being told in May last year its business model was being audited.

Annette Pike, who runs OutScribe, says the ATO decided in September her company should have been classifying contractors as employees.
:qq:

"It (the ATO) didn't say why, so we objected, and during the review process the ATO cancelled the ABNs of the contractors without warning or explanation," Ms Pike said.

The ATO had not finished its own business audit process when it cancelled the ABNs, triggering the crisis for Ms Little and the other contractors.

"In one short word, I would describe what they're doing as evil," she said. "It's malicious and it's vengeful."

Ms Pike, 52, a single mother with three children, says revenue is down by 30 per cent and her business' reputation has been damaged.:qq:

"Some people accused us of being sham contractors, which is shocking," she said.

Ms Pike insists she followed an industry-wide business model for transcription and she complied with all the guidelines and evaluation criteria laid out on the ATO website.

In December, the ATO agreed to reinstate the contractors' ABNs pending the outcome of the audit. OutScribe's case is still under review.

Deputy ATO Commissioner Deborah Jenkins (pictured) conceded tax office staff do make mistakes.

"We are human, we are absolutely. About 20,000 humans, and humans make mistakes," she said.

"I feel for small business. Tax is probably the last thing they want to be talking to people about. They're trying to run their business, they're trying to look after their families, and often generations of small businesses. For us it's about, we do make mistakes, but come and talk to us about those mistakes and we can work through a system of understanding how we can do it better next time."

Key ATO watchdog, the Inspector General of Taxation, Ali Noroozi told the joint Four Corners and Fairfax investigation that in roughly 5 per cent of cases — or one in 20 — the tax office gets it wrong.

"I think it's perhaps in 5 per cent of the cases or so, an organisation that size may not get it right. Even one case is too many, and that's why it is important to have the right checks and balances in place."

Ms Jenkins said that estimate may not be accurate.

"A mistake can be that you didn't call someone back, or a mistake can be that maybe you got the law wrong, or a mistake can be that you didn't do something in time. I think that figure seems a little bit high, but for us, it's about what you do when you make a mistake and owning up to those mistakes and trying to make it right," she said.

Earlier this week, a public servant turned whistleblower was raided by officers from the AFP and the ATO over his involvement in the Four Corners/Fairfax investigation.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
What do you mean I have to employ my employees? This is bullshit, please fix.

Dude McAwesome
Sep 30, 2004

Still better than a Ponytar

Schlesische posted:

K, so what I learned is that there's a bunch of poo poo going down inside VicLabor and that part of it is parachuting Jane Garrett in to that new seat.

Don’t know how she’s still in the ALP. Attempted union busting with the firefighters union and undermining Andrews at every possible occasion. For a former rising star, she’s well and truly on the shitheap.

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

Some goons overreact. Go figure.

Dude McAwesome posted:

Don’t know how she’s still in the ALP. Attempted union busting with the firefighters union and undermining Andrews at every possible occasion. For a former rising star, she’s well and truly on the shitheap.

Yeah I'm not doubting that there are some people trying to parachute her in, but there are a lot of people in Vic Labor who loving hate her and would do anything to prevent her from getting it. It's definitely not Vic Labor as a whole trying to get her in.

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Konomex posted:

I don't get this world view. People like Pauline feels persecuted by Aboriginals somehow. I have literally never seen an Aboriginal persecuting a white person except, and this is a stupid exception, for calling them a white dawg whilst drunk, and they also called the other Aboriginals black dawgs so it's hardly persecution as it is being very drunk and disorderly.

I'll ask racists how they're being persecuted. Or those idiots who endlessly complain about transgender people forcing their kids to become women to point to one instance of someone actually saying or doing that and they can't. It's some persecution complex driven to insane levels and I just don't get the point.

Someone explain it to me? How does listening to a didgeridoo in Australia make her feel like a second-class citizen? Or is she just upset that she gets told to shut her idiot face when she says racist things?

Punching down. It's a classic of the authoritarian playbook: oppress white trash and dogwhistle minority groups. Authoritarians perceive and project their obsessions about hierarchies, where they fit in them, how to succeed in climbing them. Poor white people are a perfect target for dogwhistling about minority groups because they're constantly being conditioned to feel inferior by their entire culture. Hanson is being reminded that she is inferior (despite 1. being stupid and 2. obviously not in the same social demographic she started in), therefore it must be the digeridoos fault. As others have posted, there's a variety of excuses for it but the essential selfishness of the authoritarian message is there.

Against this, the left have rather a mixed performance. They often see that the solution may be removing the concept of that social hierarchy but are ineffective in countering it often due to their own unexamined prejudices. One of the biggest lies Australians kid themselves about the national character is egalitarianism, it's anything but. In attempting to help minorities, they end up patronising them, and thus play into the messaging to the Hansonites that their enemy are the people below them not above.

Sometimes, like the marriage plebiscite, there is a win. But usually it's not a game you can win if you play by their rules or by the usual artificial contests like elections. Social change is just hard, and Hansonites are a symptom of how hard it is.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
All social hierarchies should be managed by Friend Computer on behalf of Skynet.

Gentleman Baller
Oct 13, 2013
The Daily Mail is going for the coup de grâce on the besieged Greens.

"The Daily Mail posted:

A shorter working week, NO public funds for private school, free transport and 'safe' ecstasy: What Australia would look like if the Greens were in charge.


The New South Wales Greens are pushing for new hard-left social and economic policy changes including targeting the Australia's wealthy with heavier taxes and salary capping chief executives.

The detailed policy proposals support cutting public funding for private schools, decreasing standard working week hours, ending higher education debts and making university and public transport free.

'If in addition to income tax, which is largely avoided by the super-wealthy, we taxed billionaires just 5 per cent of their accumulated wealth each year, we'd have $5.5bn more to spend on public education, affordable childcare, housing and cheap, clean energy'.

He added that the average chief executive earned 78 times more than the average worker and salaries could be capped at 10 times or 20 times average earnings.

The policy document described the drug ecstasy as 'relatively safe' and suggested renters should be able to stay as long as they like if they continue to meet their financial and contract obligations, The Australian reported.

Labor frontbencher Anthony Albanese said the Greens were a virtual 'secret society' that banned scrutiny of their party conferences and just stopped short of 'abolishing all private ownership in anything'.

'When the public examine the specifics of their policies they reject them,' Mr Albanese said.

The party has made dozens of new policy proposals in the lead-up to the next federal and NSW elections.

'The Greens manifesto is a grab-bag of radical socialist proposals. These policies would be disastrous for Australia,' Institute of Public Affairs policy director Simon Breheny said.

'They would result in our best and brightest entrepreneurs and risk-takers leaving Australia.'

What a dystopian horror.

GoldStandardConure
Jun 11, 2010

I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow

Pillbug

Gentleman Baller posted:

'They would result in our best and brightest entrepreneurs and risk-takers leaving Australia.'

good. gently caress off and don't come back.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Oh no tax evaders come back oh no what have I done noooo

Periphery
Jul 27, 2003
...
Imagine thinking billionaires and CEOs were good people and productive members of society.

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay
instead of interviewing charlatans and scheme promoters the journalists could have idk, read the tax legislation to see that tax evaders have no rights.

Cancelling those ABNs at that time was absolutely a fuckup, maybe the ABC will highlight the real scandal of the wealthy being given priority boot-licking service in their interactions with the ATO compared to what you or I would receive

Eediot Jedi
Dec 25, 2007

This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

Feeling sorry for the AFP bloke that has to read your post history now.

aejix
Sep 18, 2007

It's about finding that next group of core players we can win with in the next 6, 8, 10 years. Let's face it, it's hard for 20-, 21-, 22-year-olds to lead an NHL team. Look at the playoffs.

That quote is from fucking 2018. Fuck you Jim
Pillbug

quote:

A shorter working week, NO public funds for private school, free transport and 'safe' ecstasy.

I am a-loving okay with all of this

aejix
Sep 18, 2007

It's about finding that next group of core players we can win with in the next 6, 8, 10 years. Let's face it, it's hard for 20-, 21-, 22-year-olds to lead an NHL team. Look at the playoffs.

That quote is from fucking 2018. Fuck you Jim
Pillbug
Particularly the bit about the drugs

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Is the safe ecstasy free this is extremely important.

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.
It's pretty sad when that is presented as some kind of radical set of policies.

VodeAndreas
Apr 30, 2009

I was a bit uncertain about The Greens after the recent internal bullshit but that's a policy platform I can get behind!

bell jar
Feb 25, 2009

gently caress this mnillenial safety bullshit, i want my eccies to be at least 40% dishwashing powder

GoldStandardConure
Jun 11, 2010

I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow

Pillbug

bell jar posted:

gently caress this mnillenial safety bullshit, i want my eccies to be at least 40% dishwashing powder

just take one and a tidepod at the same time, idiot

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!
My favorite part is, right in the middle of this big scaremongering/ridiculing:

quote:

The policy document described the drug ecstasy as 'relatively safe' and suggested renters should be able to stay as long as they like if they continue to meet their financial and contract obligations, The Australian reported.

THE HORROR! OH, GOD, THE HORROR!

CrazyTolradi
Oct 2, 2011

It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

Cleretic posted:

My favorite part is, right in the middle of this big scaremongering/ridiculing:


THE HORROR! OH, GOD, THE HORROR!
How shocking that the renter gets security and the landlord still gets paid rent!

Tasmantor
Aug 13, 2007
Horrid abomination
It's 2080 and the once great Australia is now a waste land. All people are well fed, housed and educated, healthcare is free and work hours average in 20's a week. Hardly any billionaires remain because people just don't like exploitation. Into this hell scape the savoir of the once great LNP is born, she will repair the rifts in society by reinvigorating the race and class wars, once thought gone.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Tasmantor posted:

It's 2080 and the once great Australia is now a waste land. All people are well fed, housed and educated, healthcare is free and work hours average in 20's a week. Hardly any billionaires remain because people just don't like exploitation. Into this hell scape the savoir of the once great LNP is born, she will repair the rifts in society by reinvigorating the race and class wars, once thought gone.

Don't worry we'll make sure this dire future never comes to pass.

CrazyTolradi
Oct 2, 2011

It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

Anidav, just what the gently caress are you doing at Newscorp to have them doing good PR work for the Greens?

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again

CrazyTolradi posted:

Anidav, just what the gently caress are you doing at Newscorp to have them doing good PR work for the Greens?

Maybe I should buy Newscorp Shares.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Tasmantor posted:

It's 2080 and the once great Australia is now a waste land. All people are well fed, housed and educated, healthcare is free and work hours average in 20's a week. Hardly any billionaires remain because people just don't like exploitation. Into this hell scape the savoir of the once great LNP is born, she will repair the rifts in society by reinvigorating the race and class wars, once thought gone.

Or another country just walks in and you know... just takes everything.

Gentleman Baller
Oct 13, 2013
Honestly this is my favourite right-wing dystopian/actually utopian future I've read since Pauline predicted PM Penny Wong.

Sparticle
Oct 7, 2012

Tasmantor posted:

It's 2080 and the once great Australia is now a continent-wide doof

Pinball Jizzard
Jun 23, 2010
Denominational school funding appears to remain under their current policies. Still can’t vote green.

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GoldStandardConure
Jun 11, 2010

I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow

Pillbug

JBP posted:

Or another country just walks in and you know... just takes everything.

not once i get my 'mandatory ak-47 and also weaponized emus' proposal passed at my regional greens meeting

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