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That Hind is too big compared to that tank, but to agree with other posters who’ve stated the same thing - it’s a pretty drat big helicopter in real life.
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The T-64 is 9.5 cm long and 9.25 meters in real life, the Hind is 18.5 cm long and 17.5 meters in real life, making them both 1/100 or close enough. The scale is accurate, Hinds are huge.
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spectralent posted:Recently errata'd to allow hinds to have a broader command range! Wow. The sad part is that I want to like them. I want Team Yankee to be a fun, playable game about Cold War stuff. I'm a Vietnam history nerd, so I want 'Nam to be a good game. I'm interested in the GPW/Russian Front and have a pile of stuff built for it, so I want Flames of War to be good. But they just can't stop tripping over themselves, can they?
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Phi230 posted:Basing vehicles? Arquinsiel posted:For 6MM it really helps. Yeah just makes life easier and the paint last better than if you keep grabbing them. Also I like basing stuff, to be honest.
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Pretty much. Some of their kits are a bit over-designed though - the Pz38t has something like five parts just for the turret. Battlefront makes some really nice resin and shouldn't be ruled out if you find it discounted, though. Zvezda is also really nice and generally very inexpensive.
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Cessna posted:Wow. They can't and it's very sad. I want to like Vietnam, too but I can't honestly recommend it, either; in a game where one force is comprised entirely of light infantry, the shortcomings in the infantry rules (and especially the assault rules) are intensely noticeable, and as for the helicopters thing... My first game, I popped my AA out of guerilla reserve around the objective, thinking I was in some way guarding them. He then landed in the Tall elephant grass a little over 6" away, then disembarked the following turn to annihilate the 3-strong AA MGs in a hail of gunfire and bayonets. That gave me Opinions on the mechanic.
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A gameshop in my city had a massive sale on Flames of war stuff, so I got 8 SU-100's, a platoon of spetznaz (metal), a sapper platoon (metal), and an IS-2 (metal) and some paint. Not enough to have an army that can play games but slowly! Long term though I really wanna go into Team Yankee.
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So I got my first box of Bolt Action stuff, just a box of 40 Soviets. And in one box, I'm able to make a 500pt army. I could get used to this kind of value.
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Historicals are great.
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Two years ago during a sale I managed to buy enough stuff to build both a 1000pt USMC Bolt Action army and a 1000pt Japanese SNLF army for slightly more than $100 total. Meanwhile, in 40k-land that will get you three resin models.
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Yup, that is definitely one of the perks of historicals. None of this poo poo is copyrighted, so modelmakers are competing with each other for the same ranges. Even the pricier companies, like Battlefront, are super cheap compared to the likes of Privateer Press or Games Workshop. Ten plastic 28mm soldiermans for 29$ (2.9$ per man) vs 40 28mm mans for 50$ (1.2$ per man). The GW stuff is almost three times more expensive. And Warlord isn't particularly cheap. Also, you can use your cheap models to play lots of different games!
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Cessna posted:Wow. It sucks because early 2000s BF was really loving good. I don't know why they turned to poo poo over the last 3-4 years or so.
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Geisladisk posted:The T-64 is 9.5 cm long and 9.25 meters in real life, the Hind is 18.5 cm long and 17.5 meters in real life, making them both 1/100 or close enough. The scale is accurate, Hinds are huge. Huh! I guess the T64 is a lot smaller than I thought. I’ve been around Hinds a couple of times, and I didn’t think they’d dwarf a tank by such a huge amount. They are pretty massive helicopters.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:What have you been up to? He was up their behind.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:What have you been up to? I went to a couple of air shows and museums when I was an airforce cadet. Speaking of which, the F-111 was a super cool plane and I got to sit in one 
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Chiwie posted:It sucks because early 2000s BF was really loving good. I don't know why they turned to poo poo over the last 3-4 years or so. It's like GW in reverse. GW gets a new CEO and for the most part really improves, while Battlefront looks to be falling apart. Also, well, it's just getting harder and harder to like Battlefront these days. Their quality control has gone to hell in this past year or so - I would estimate that 1 in 4 non-plastic models that I buy has a defect that is serious enough that I can't build the model, whether it is missing parts, incorrect parts (i.e., two left tracks on a tank) or severely warped resin. (Their plastics are good, but not everything is available in plastic.) And their customer service, once top-notch, has slid to the point that they're a real hassle to deal with. For example, I pre-ordered Red Thunder, the new Soviet book for Team Yankee, back in early June 2017 when it was announced. I also ordered a copy of the Bundeswehr expansion at the same time. Apparently the Bundeswehr expansion wasn't in stock, so they held up my copy of Red Thunder until it was. For about a month and a half, well after Red Thunder hit the shelves. In the meantime I changed credit cards. Before they shipped I got a harsh e-mail saying my credit card didn't work. I sent an e-mail in response explaining the situation and told them I'd call the number they provided with a new card number. A look at my phone shows that I called and left a voice mail five times. They never called back. On the sixth time they answered and I got to speak to them. It took me almost an hour (most of it on hold) to explain the situation, have them find my order, and give them a new card number. The whole time they were flat-out rude, and it took three months past the release to finally receive the book... And in the past year I've sent in requests for replacement parts - with photos of the mis-cast parts as proof that yes, they had sent bad stuff - and had them completely ignored. (Edit: Or told "we'll replace on restock, 4-6 weeks," only to never hear from them again.) It's frustrating. Now, yes, in the grand scheme of things this is minor. But years ago, when my FoW interest was at its height, they were easy to work with. Orders never went wrong. Models were almost always intact. In the rare cases when they weren't replacements were sent out quickly and politely. My interest in their stuff is really waning. They're making new versions of rules that leave me cold, their quality is shoddy, and their customer service is unhelpful. I'll suppose I'll continue to play what I have, but I won't be buying into anything new, and I am looking for another game to support... Cessna fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Apr 6, 2018 |
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I really liked BF too but now i just... I can't. I'm probably just gonna start collecting the battlegroup rules for my 15mm WW2 fix assuming I can figure out their maze of "use this book with this book, or if you have the other book use the 3rd and 7th book of this". Also interested in NORTHAG and a building a Tiger Force vs the eastern block and/or jihadi's. I have decided against 6mm.
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I've got 15mm WW2 mans that I'll use in Battlegroup game eventually, and I'm looking forward to seeing how What a Tanker turns out. Fortunately PSC seems to have just about all the 15mm WW2 bases covered or in the process of being covered, and what holes there are can be filled by Zvezda and boutique resin places.
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am I correct that Chain of Command is really going to work best in 28mm, not 15mm? Looking at breaking into the scene, and trying to find a good balance between aesthetic, playability, and intersection between my existing Infinity/Malifaux terrain. I really like the small scales (have a lot of 6mm stuff) but individual casualty removal has me concerned with 15mm.
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Signal posted:am I correct that Chain of Command is really going to work best in 28mm, not 15mm? Looking at breaking into the scene, and trying to find a good balance between aesthetic, playability, and intersection between my existing Infinity/Malifaux terrain. I really like the small scales (have a lot of 6mm stuff) but individual casualty removal has me concerned with 15mm. Nah, CoC works in 15mm too, and in some ways I think the distances are easier to get realistic in 15mm. I've seen several people do CoC with 15mm with teams based together, and using small dice (sometimes integrated on the bases) to mark casualties. But there are also those who play CoC in 15mm with individual bases as well. So if you prefer 15mm, I'd definitely go for it.
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lilljonas posted:Nah, CoC works in 15mm too, and in some ways I think the distances are easier to get realistic in 15mm. I've seen several people do CoC with 15mm with teams based together, and using small dice (sometimes integrated on the bases) to mark casualties. But there are also those who play CoC in 15mm with individual bases as well. Thanks, that's kinda reassuring. I'm hoping someone can weigh in on their experiences with both methods of basing; I don't want to be too fiddly. I have a ton of 25mm plastic bases, so it'd be great to just put 15mm on those, but I don't know if that would play strangely trying to get into buildings and cover and the like. Poking into a new field is always difficult :p
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Signal posted:Thanks, that's kinda reassuring. I'm hoping someone can weigh in on their experiences with both methods of basing; I don't want to be too fiddly. I have a ton of 25mm plastic bases, so it'd be great to just put 15mm on those, but I don't know if that would play strangely trying to get into buildings and cover and the like. Poking into a new field is always difficult :p I know that a group in the town next over switched to CoC from Flames of War, and simply used the same minis and bases as before. So it should work, though I haven't played it in 15mm myself. I think it depends on how exact you want it to be and how your terrain looks: it would be just as easy to just remove the base when it enters a building, and simly say "oh, there's two guys in every window".
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Most of the guys I know play CoC in 28mm, but I know a couple of guys who do it in 15mm. They do individually base their dudes, putting them on small metal fender washers. It seems to work pretty well.
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They've got a ways to go yet, but they're definitely getting there. The sheer number and volume of stupid British early war tanks alone means that they still have a few to go before they're done. The main bases are pretty much covered though.
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NTRabbit posted:What a Tanker I forgot. This will likely be my go to game for a very long time, assuming it holds up to their general standard. E:My15mm nazi's are all based for FoW but when I bought some Joes I put them all on 20mm diameter bases. I've stopped all work on them because I'm not sure if I should un-base the nazi's or joes. 
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We play CoC in 15mm, individually based dudes on metal washers. It feels like the perfect scale to us, and we get to use all our FoW terrain. I've also almost completely soured on BF. Their rules are poo poo, their product support is poo poo and their prices are lovely. The only thing I will still consider buying from them is their terrain, and their plastic tanks or the plastic infantry which is still in hard plastic. I even have a huge load of 3rd ed. books, along with the 4th ed. rules, that I need to unload. Problem is, FoW is dying in my country too. On the historicals buy/sell group on facebook for my area, there are about 10 posts about selling for each one buying. More and more big tournaments are dying out too. I'm considering just throwing my old books in the garbage rather than sell them for a pittance.
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Thanks for the responses guys. For your basing washers, do people tend towards ~3/4"/20mm there as well?
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For individual little 15mm dudes, I wouldn't go above 1/2" or so. I forget what I did for my 15mm ACW, but they were only like 10mm washers I think.Roughly two-thirds of the mini's height is a good ratio, I think.
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Cessna posted:It's like GW in reverse. GW gets a new CEO and for the most part really improves, while Battlefront looks to be falling apart. i really hope you didnt buy any more of their poo poo after being treated like that, because holy gently caress
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Cessna posted:It's like GW in reverse. GW gets a new CEO and for the most part really improves, while Battlefront looks to be falling apart. This echos my experiences. I tried really hard to get into team yankee, a game that I by rights should be crazy about but their slowly turning into GW at it's worst path killed it for me.
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Signal posted:Thanks for the responses guys. For your basing washers, do people tend towards ~3/4"/20mm there as well? I put my 15mm CoC guys on 20mm washers, and it looks fine:  Spacious, but since you've got lots of table space between the dudes anyway it doesn't look anything like crowded on the table - keeps them nice and weighty too.
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I'm excited about What a Tanker, was looking for an excuse to try painting some 15mm scale tanks. If I can get my friends to try a single game that would be worth the cost of the rules pdf for me.
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If you're in the eurozone I find that 1c coins make the best bases for 15mm dudes. I've based all the few tester models/bailed out makers on them.
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Are there any decent squad-based games centered around cold war era security forces (like sas, spetsnaz etc)? If not ; What would be a decent substitute?
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