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I've found polyatheism a good bridge builder. Anyone and anyone can have a polite and agreeable conversation about the thousands of gods they both don't believe in without anyone (at the scene) getting offended
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shame on an IGA posted:I've found polyatheism a good bridge builder. Anyone and anyone can have a polite and agreeable conversation about the thousands of gods they both don't believe in without anyone (at the scene) getting offended I hate to label myself as an atheist because of what angry internet nerds have done with the word, but yeah. I have nothing against religion or religious people, but I just don't want to participate in it, and I don't want to waste people's times. The reason I'm asking is because I got invited to a bible study group and I didn't have a good reason for not going (other than being not religious). I went, but I left early because it was clear that the other people were full-on Christians and I didn't want to offend anybody refusing to participate in prayer and such. I'm totally fine with learning about Christianity. I just don't want to participate in any of the "extra" stuff. Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Apr 8, 2018 |
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what life have you led that you didn't know "bible study" is a christian thing? this is not condemnation this is jealousy
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Senju Kannon posted:what life have you led that you didn't know "bible study" is a christian thing? this is not condemnation this is jealousy I know that bible study groups are inherently a christian thing. I'm saying that I'd like to read the bible and follow some kind of structured study guide for it because I seriously have no idea where to start (do i need to read the old testament? do i need to read this version, or that version? what's the difference between them? what is the context of this story? who was "john" really?), but from the perspective of studying it for the sake of knowledge, vs studying it to be a christian. The study group I went to focused too much on the latter. Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Apr 8, 2018 |
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Boris Galerkin posted:I'm not religious and I've never read the Bible before. I'd like to read it and understand the contexts of it because at the end of the day it's one of the most influential books that exist. Can anyone recommend a study guide (or preferably iPhone/iPad app) for me to do just that? It's such a big book and I have no idea where to start, especially cause (from my understanding) there are contradictions from chapter to chapter. What I'd like is something like, "read these chapters, and pay attention to this and that" coupled with "this is maybe the historical basis of what you just read." I'm not looking for anything that's religious or trying to convert me, because there is a 0% chance of that, but from a historical perspective. no such thing exists, though you can get the NRSV on your phone the open yale course series has two courses (into to the OT and into to the NT) that are good. the books are good as well.
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someone with a gun to the back of my head: tell me a good book about biblical studies me: s...sex and the single savio- *gun cocking noise*: mainstream, not postmodern me, shaking: m... musa dube *gunshot*
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Boris Galerkin posted:I'm not religious and I've never read the Bible before. I'd like to read it and understand the contexts of it because at the end of the day it's one of the most influential books that exist. Can anyone recommend a study guide (or preferably iPhone/iPad app) for me to do just that? It's such a big book and I have no idea where to start, especially cause (from my understanding) there are contradictions from chapter to chapter. What I'd like is something like, "read these chapters, and pay attention to this and that" coupled with "this is maybe the historical basis of what you just read." I'm not looking for anything that's religious or trying to convert me, because there is a 0% chance of that, but from a historical perspective. Start at the beginning, read all of it. If that's too much then skip ahead any time it starts talking about genealogies. If that's too much then read the Gospels because that'll probably give you the most immediate insight into the origins/ethos of Christianity as a religion. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Apr 8, 2018 |
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shame on an IGA posted:I've found polyatheism a good bridge builder. Anyone and anyone can have a polite and agreeable conversation about the thousands of gods they both don't believe in without anyone (at the scene) getting offended This is how the Jesus-loving free black man Cornel West approaches atheism, too. Of course the idolatry he condemns isn't on supernatural characters who've lost their popularity. He wants to mutually agree upon the dangerous idols currently leading folks towards doom, which therefore necessitates redemption. quote:"I come from the school of thought that believes that a certain kind of atheism is always healthy. Because what atheism does is that it at least cleans the deck, because it claims that all gods are idols. And most gods are idols. It's just that the prophetic tradition (be it Judaism, Islam, or Christianity) are tied to this god of love and justice. But because we live in a society in which idolatry is so ubiquitous... viewing life as a gold rush, end up worshipping a golden calf, and the golden rule becomes, 'Those who have the gold will rule'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWIsawVjvWI
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Start at the beginning, read all of it. I'd recommend starting with the Gospels, as well, then Acts. The Epistles are exposition on theology and solving problems in individual churches, so they're a bit more abstract. The Old Testament is a load. There's lots of different books from different times and authors, with different points of view and types of writing so it's hard to grasp what it's all about. Skim some of the OT stuff, reading a chapter or two from a few books here and there to get a feel for them. Go back and read in depth as they interest you. You'll also need to spend some time on the general history of the Near East from approximately 2000 BC to 100 AD to have a sense of the flow of events and cultures. Much of it is going to be very confusing and jumbled for a while, but over time it will coalesce and make more sense.
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If you are going to read any bit of the Old Testament, read The Book of Job.
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most of the songs from the services just before easter are extremely metal it is literally "Jesus is coming for hell, and boy is he pissed" i cannot understand why some people on r/orthodoxchristianity want to steer us toward substitutionary atonement, Christus Victor not only has more pleasant implications for what it says about human nature but it's also boss as hell. Also as far as i know nothing in the liturgies leading up to easter say anything that implies substitutionary atonement. I think they just confuse a dark view of humanity with rigor.
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Josef bugman posted:If you are going to read any bit of the Old Testament, read The Book of Job. This is extreme good advice. Job is probably the most fascinating single book in the OT.
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Night10194 posted:This is extreme good advice. Job is probably the most fascinating single book in the OT. It's a book I hated as a child, but have grown to really appreciate as an adult. I also have a soft spot for Daniel. Half of it is Bible stories every Christian kid knows. The other half is weird.
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The Book of Daniel is super theologically important because it's where we first encounter Resurrection of the Dead.
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Night10194 posted:The Book of Daniel is super theologically important because it's where we first encounter Resurrection of the Dead. It's also a great example of a book that is deceptively complicated. The current consensus is that it is a work of historical fiction, written in 164 BC during the Hasmonean revolution but set in the Babylonian captivity. It operates on so many different levels simultaneously, it's just 
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Deteriorata posted:It's also a great example of a book that is deceptively complicated. The current consensus is that it is a work of historical fiction, written in 164 BC during the Hasmonean revolution but set in the Babylonian captivity. It operates on so many different levels simultaneously, it's just Yep! Major work of religious propaganda to say 'Yes, we should fight for our faith and resist in the face of those goddamn Selucids'. To be fair the Selucid king did sacrifice a pig on the Holy of Holies after sacking Jerusalem despite it being his vassal already. That's how you get determined religious rebellions!
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HEY GUNS posted:most of the songs from the services just before easter are extremely metal Link?
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Boris Galerkin posted:I'm not religious and I've never read the Bible before. I'd like to read it and understand the contexts of it because at the end of the day it's one of the most influential books that exist. Can anyone recommend a study guide (or preferably iPhone/iPad app) for me to do just that? It's such a big book and I have no idea where to start, especially cause (from my understanding) there are contradictions from chapter to chapter. What I'd like is something like, "read these chapters, and pay attention to this and that" coupled with "this is maybe the historical basis of what you just read." I'm not looking for anything that's religious or trying to convert me, because there is a 0% chance of that, but from a historical perspective. Oxford Study Bible is digestible but thorough and academic. I’d start with that.
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Senju Kannon posted:someone with a gun to the back of my head: tell me a good book about biblical studies interestingly the professor who teaches the NT course on open yale courses IS the guy who wrote sex and the single savior which was meh, the corinthian body was super good tho
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HEY GUNS posted:most of the songs from the services just before easter are extremely metal What if I told you Christus Victor is compatible substitutionary atonement?
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Boris Galerkin posted:I'm not religious and I've never read the Bible before. I'd like to read it and understand the contexts of it because at the end of the day it's one of the most influential books that exist. Can anyone recommend a study guide (or preferably iPhone/iPad app) for me to do just that? It's such a big book and I have no idea where to start, especially cause (from my understanding) there are contradictions from chapter to chapter. What I'd like is something like, "read these chapters, and pay attention to this and that" coupled with "this is maybe the historical basis of what you just read." I'm not looking for anything that's religious or trying to convert me, because there is a 0% chance of that, but from a historical perspective. I thought that The Bible as Living Literature edited by Ernest Sutherland Bates was a useful abridgment of the Bible. This version takes out verse numbers to make the Bible read most like a novel. It keeps most of the Bible stories while removing most of the genealogies and legal codes. It’s no substitute for reading through the entire Bible, but it’s much easier to get through and makes the time commitment only around as much as reading something like War and Peace .
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nice, I knew they couldn't let MLK50 get away without some poo poo woo hoo this is a doozy quote:By the way, for the sake of the weeping and gnashing of teeth I can already hear, there are plenty of quality and qualified men of color who could run our convention entities (in the same way there are many – I presume – “good” Southern Baptist churches comprised of primarily of black people) make kinism great again
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Let God arise, let His enemies be scattered Let those who hate Him flee from before His face Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death, And on those in the tombs bestowing life.
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that's a lot of words to say "i hate black people" fake edit: to the thing phlegmatist posted not uh not rodrigo diaz to be clear
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The Phlegmatist posted:arguing with these people is fun though like, "can you explain critical race theory? I'm unfamiliar with that term." and then they just freeze up
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The Phlegmatist posted:nice, I knew they couldn't let MLK50 get away without some poo poo Mainly, I just lurk here and read y’alls debates. Who is this guy, and with whom is he affiliated? Awful to read that.
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HEY GUNS posted:my favorite one is the people who think marxism and postmodernism are the same oh dont worry  there's postmodern power games applied to everyone but asians ThePopeOfFun posted:Mainly, I just lurk here and read y’alls debates. Who is this guy, and with whom is he affiliated? Awful to read that. Pulpit and Pen is...a hyper-Calvinist blog that treads really close to Kinist (Calvinist White Supremacist) territory. Their few supporters are all over Calvinist Facebook groups and very vocal. But most Calvinists rightly judge it as completely insane. The Phlegmatist fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Apr 9, 2018 |
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ThePopeOfFun posted:Mainly, I just lurk here and read y’alls debates. Who is this guy, and with whom is he affiliated? Awful to read that. The blog is run by a guy named J.D. Hall, who is pastor of Fellowship Baptist Church in Sidney, Montana. He's a nasty individual and cyberbully, and his online harassment of a teenager, help3f drive the kid to suicide.
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I'd rather have Eastern Lightning cultists instead of J.D. Hall cultists in my group tbh e: at this point, three hours in to a loving internet argument I'm just praying that St. Francis de Sales, saint of owning Calvinists, steps in e2: who's the patron saint against ancaps. The Phlegmatist fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Apr 9, 2018 |
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The Phlegmatist posted:e2: who's the patron saint against ancaps. St. Matthew is the patron saint of economists.
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The Phlegmatist posted:oh dont worry you think the originators of these right wing memes actually understood what critical race theory and post-modernism are and just turned them into buzzwords devoid of meaning to enrage white people or do you think they did eisegisis and actually think that's what critical race theory and post-modernism are are the right liars or idiots, the debate continues
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Epicurius posted:St. Matthew is the patron saint of economists. phlegmatist said against, not for fuckin economics, it's a fake science taught by ideologues who operate solely within the realm of their own ideas. economists are theologians and the free market is their god
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I know phlegmatic said against. That's why I suggested the patron saint of economists. No better way than to prove the failures of anarcho-capitalism than with economics. Sorry you don't like economics.
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i'm still sore about that paper inspiring so many european nations and american congresspeople to go for austerity, and when it turned out that the paper's spreadsheets were inaccurate because of human error and that austerity actually DEADENS economic growth after a market crash, people STILL cite the drat paper to prioritize cutting government services and giving tax breaks!! fuckin bastards.
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Epicurius posted:I know phlegmatic said against. That's why I suggested the patron saint of economists. No better way than to prove the failures of anarcho-capitalism than with economics. It's a broad field with lots of entrenched, internal, and fundamental disagreements. For a long time in my life, the field has been dominated by market-driven policy advisers. But within the field you get dissenting voices like Khaneman and Tiversky with their work in behavioral economics that keeps track of the failed assumptions of microeconomics at the scope of the individual. You also have Thomas Piketty, with his models that predict an indefinitely increasing level of economic inequality unless interrupted by a shock to the economy, and with his recommendations to consider supernational (or even worldwide) taxes on wealth and income. Almost every professional, professorial economist is a member of the upper bourgeoisie, but a slice of them have nevertheless tied their work to undermining the self-serving assumptions of the status quo. I predict we'll get few saints or prophets from professional economics, but there'll be enough for the ultimate redemption. Bias disclosure, though: I studied economics in college, and right now I'm cleaning homes. I'm humbly reminded that in the first place, economics is Greek for the study of the home.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Start at the beginning, read all of it. Deteriorata posted:I'd recommend starting with the Gospels, as well, then Acts. The Epistles are exposition on theology and solving problems in individual churches, so they're a bit more abstract. Thanks, this is almost exactly what I was looking for. Which New Testament should I download/read or does it not matter? I know that there's a King James version, and Wikipedia tells me there are many more versions as well. e: It's not that the Bible is too big or "too much" to read, it's just I literally have no idea where to start or what order to read things in. I have attended church services before of various denominations and the priest up front always jumped around from story to story, passage to passage. I just thought that there might be a reason for that. Josef bugman posted:If you are going to read any bit of the Old Testament, read The Book of Job. Night10194 posted:This is extreme good advice. Job is probably the most fascinating single book in the OT. I honestly can't tell if you guys trolling me or not. ProperGanderPusher posted:Oxford Study Bible is digestible but thorough and academic. I’d start with that. Wikipedia posted:The Oxford Annotated Bible (OAB) is a study Bible published by the Oxford University Press (OUP). The notes and the study material feature in-depth academic research from non-denominational perspectives, specifically secular perspectives for "Bible-as-literature" with a focus on the most recent advances in historical criticism and related disciplines, with contributors from mainline Protestant, Roman Catholic, Jewish, and non-religious interpretative traditions. Thanks. That description sounds exactly like what I was looking for. Barlow posted:I thought that The Bible as Living Literature edited by Ernest Sutherland Bates was a useful abridgment of the Bible. This version takes out verse numbers to make the Bible read most like a novel. It keeps most of the Bible stories while removing most of the genealogies and legal codes. It’s no substitute for reading through the entire Bible, but it’s much easier to get through and makes the time commitment only around as much as reading something like War and Peace . Thanks! I'll put this on the list in case I need more things to read. The OAB sounds like it'll keep me busy for a while. Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 07:37 on Apr 9, 2018 |
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Boris Galerkin posted:I honestly can't tell if you guys trolling me or not. Nah, Job is fantastic.
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Job's an interesting piece of literature but I'm not sure what spiritual message I'm supposed to get out of it.
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