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Missed the BOTM Thread for it so I'll have to post here, but goddamn was Lincoln In The Bardo amazing. I'm just beating myself that it took me so long to get through. I was sorta hesitant when in one breath everyone was praising it, and on the other you were talking about all the dick and orgy jokes but I just can't imagine it without them. As a filthy genre reader, this book made me get it. I have never had the thoughts or feelings that I had from reading Lincoln in the Bardo with any other book, except for maybe the Discworld books. Where do I go from here? Edit: Yikes. I didn't mean for all that gushing to be at the top of the page. Apologies.
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OscarDiggs posted:As a filthy genre reader, this book made me get it. I have never had the thoughts or feelings that I had from reading Lincoln in the Bardo with any other book, except for maybe the Discworld books. Where do I go from here? No, it's cool, although you might get flamed. I guess, it really depends, which route you want to take. Vonnegut would be the most logical choice (Slaughterhouse 5, The Breakfast of Champions, Mother Night) if you want to keep it American and reasonably contemporary. Gabriel Garcia Marquez for more new thoughts and feelings (and beautiful prose), Kafka if you want to feel uncomfortable and not really know why. And just because everybody's tired of talking about these guys, read Chingiz Aitmatov's The Day Lasts More than a Hundred Years - it's the best Soviet era book for me, and nobody talks about it, even though it's great and has wide appeal. It's weird, scary, sad and bittersweet at the same time.
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Burning Rain posted:
oh yeah i read that a couple of years ago. it kicks rear end but it deffo falls through the cracks when people talk about russian lit probably due to the discussion dominated by the likes of dystoveaky and the like.
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i've been meaning to read Dr Zhivago again because it was very good and I'm reading a collection of Ursula K. Le Guin's writings and she was like "this poo poo is good" and i was like "oh yeah that poo poo was good indeed"
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as far as 20th century russian lit, i know that and grossman's Life and Fate and also Master & Margarita, if anyone has suggestions otherwise let me know i've had my eye on Bely's Petersburg for a while too
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Burning Rain posted:And just because everybody's tired of talking about these guys, read Chingiz Aitmatov's The Day Lasts More than a Hundred Years - it's the best Soviet era book for me, and nobody talks about it, even though it's great and has wide appeal. It's weird, scary, sad and bittersweet at the same time.
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I am reading To The Lighthouse, my first encounter with Woolf, and I am finding it very beautiful but very demanding. This isn't my first rodeo with modernists, but this is making me feel like I have lived off of a diet of visual media for years and am picking up a book for the first time and every line takes my full consideration to understand. Understanding does come, so I am not upset and am actually finding it a great, rewarding experience. It's just for some reason such a challenge. I think part of it has to do with how you come to know these characters internally, slowly and sometimes only by inference, rather than by their occupations or the things they say or their appearance. This way I am seeing rich characterization, but it's like really getting to know someone in paces rather than being introduced to them as you might with characters in a more immediately told story.
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OscarDiggs posted:Missed the BOTM Thread for it so I'll have to post here, but goddamn was Lincoln In The Bardo amazing. I'm just beating myself that it took me so long to get through. I was sorta hesitant when in one breath everyone was praising it, and on the other you were talking about all the dick and orgy jokes but I just can't imagine it without them. If you want things with more of a genre bent, try Roadside Picnic, The Gone Away World, A Canticle for Lebowitz, The Handmaiden's Tale. Looks like April's BOTM will be also be genre adjacent as well.
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OscarDiggs posted:As a filthy genre reader, this book made me get it. I have never had the thoughts or feelings that I had from reading Lincoln in the Bardo with any other book, except for maybe the Discworld books. Where do I go from here? read the twenty days of turin
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Chamberk posted:as far as 20th century russian lit, i know that and grossman's Life and Fate and also Master & Margarita, if anyone has suggestions otherwise let me know Petersburg loving rules. Platonov's Foundation Pit is really good too, probably the best new thing I've read so far this year
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Speaking of poo poo allegories, this makes me sad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=micAGOYfmJs They took Shakespeare's Julius Caesar and turned it into an obvious trump allegory, threw in a bunch of useless props, added a Gamer Thrones actress to the cast and made it "immersive" and ugh. This is apparently what you have to do to still get people to come to the theatre, take something good and universal and turn it into a pampers tier allegory, basically Shakespeare's Hamilton.
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Apr 9, 2018 11:59
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Mr. Squishy posted:quit getting up on your hind legs like productions of shakespeare forcing allusions are something new. Making julius caesar wear a maga hat is a little on the loving nose though isn't it, obviously more so than other performances.
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Basically all big budget theatre is loving idiotic. Give them money and they'll spend it on strobe lights, contemporary r&b and smoke machines, no matter what the production is
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Ras Het posted:Basically all big budget theatre is loving idiotic. Give them money and they'll spend it on strobe lights, contemporary r&b and smoke machines, no matter what the production is hmmm this is exactly the production of romeo and juliet i saw at the globe last summer
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Making Julius Caesar a really naff allegory for current events is as close to a universal constant as you can get in Shakespeare productions though. I legitimately can't remember seeing a Caesar that didn't wink obnoxiously at modern politics in some regard. Not that that's a good thing, mind you.
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Inserting modern politics into Shakespeare is wasted effort better spent on making sure the audience experiences all the dick jokes.
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i'm remembering the production of don giovanni i went to that had an extended gangnam style performance at one point
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After The War posted:Inserting modern politics into Shakespeare is wasted effort better spent on making sure the audience experiences all the dick jokes. Shakespeare is for everyone, from those who love experiencing some of the greatest plays written in the flesh to those who can't be entertained without someone mugging at the audience and pointing at their genitals
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Ibsen, but with pointing at genitals
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The last production of Hedda Gabler I saw had the flat be like a prison for some reason and casted extremely against type (the judge was about the same age as Hedda, her husband was pretty handsome, etc) and every line-reading was so awful I have to believe the director hates Ibsen. e: but do you see me clucking "theatre today?" in here no you do not.
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Shibawanko posted:Speaking of poo poo allegories, this makes me sad: There aren't any British Shakespearean actors left who haven't been in Game of Thrones or Doctor Who (or both)
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My reminder every time Ibsen comes up that Ibsen had the best last words in recorded history
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Mr. Squishy posted:The last production of Hedda Gabler I saw had the flat be like a prison for some reason and casted extremely against type (the judge was about the same age as Hedda, her husband was pretty handsome, etc) and every line-reading was so awful I have to believe the director hates Ibsen. Well excuse me princess
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Mel Mudkiper posted:My reminder every time Ibsen comes up that Ibsen had the best last words in recorded history it was very true to his personality.
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Why does Norway have Ibsen, Hamsun and Knausgård but Denmark only has the fairytale man
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Ras Het posted:Why does Norway have Ibsen, Hamsun and Knausgård but Denmark only has the fairytale man Danes are inferior.
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jagstag posted:oh yeah i read that a couple of years ago. it kicks rear end but it deffo falls through the cracks when people talk about russian lit probably due to the discussion dominated by the likes of dystoveaky and the like. New favorite misspelling. I've been shouting "DYSTOVEAKY" at passersby for several minutes and the fun has not abated.
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Ras Het posted:Why does Norway have Ibsen, Hamsun and Knausgård but Denmark only has the fairytale man they were too busy drinking kørepils and gammel dansk
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WASDF posted:I am reading To The Lighthouse, my first encounter with Woolf, and I am finding it very beautiful but very demanding. This isn't my first rodeo with modernists, but this is making me feel like I have lived off of a diet of visual media for years and am picking up a book for the first time and every line takes my full consideration to understand. Understanding does come, so I am not upset and am actually finding it a great, rewarding experience. It's just for some reason such a challenge. I think part of it has to do with how you come to know these characters internally, slowly and sometimes only by inference, rather than by their occupations or the things they say or their appearance. This way I am seeing rich characterization, but it's like really getting to know someone in paces rather than being introduced to them as you might with characters in a more immediately told story. I really love this book. I'm a sucker for families disintegrating by the sea. Favorite Woolf so far, although I still need to read Orlando.
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Ras Het posted:Why does Norway have Ibsen, Hamsun and Knausgård but Denmark only has the fairytale man
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Pontoppidan is great Not a huge fan of Johannes V. Jensen but he won the nobel i guess  Herman Bang is amazing & fantastic & I love him
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