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People being divided into us VS them and everything becoming black and white is going to become ever more common as the world goes to poo poo. Especially as people have become aware of the "nothing matters" phenomenon whereby someone rich and/or powerful does something thought unforgivable and unthinkable and then... nothing happens. People dying. No one cares. People stealing. No one cares. World's burning. No one cares. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Regarde Aduck posted:People being divided into us VS them and everything becoming black and white is going to become ever more common as the world goes to poo poo. Especially as people have become aware of the "nothing matters" phenomenon whereby someone rich and/or powerful does something thought unforgivable and unthinkable and then... nothing happens. People dying. No one cares. People stealing. No one cares. World's burning. No one cares. I agree. High school is tough.
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Regarde Aduck posted:People being divided into us VS them and everything becoming black and white is going to become ever more common as the world goes to poo poo. Especially as people have become aware of the "nothing matters" phenomenon whereby someone rich and/or powerful does something thought unforgivable and unthinkable and then... nothing happens. People dying. No one cares. People stealing. No one cares. World's burning. No one cares. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWf-eARnf6U
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Apr 8, 2018 21:00
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God, this is terrifying.
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Apr 8, 2018 21:01
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I'm having trouble visualizing communism without a strong command economy leaning. Socialism, sure - the workers own all the corporations and capital, but the market handles supply and demand allocations - but communism? All countries have used command economies at some point in their development and even the Soviet Union had periods of liberalization. Switching between criticizing command economies and communist countries is just a rhetorical trick to commingle certain ideas with totalitarianism. ToiletPaperUSA point-scoring memes aren't a good starting point for talking about economies.
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Apr 8, 2018 21:02
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Holy gently caress. This has to be a violation of some FCC regulation.
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Apr 8, 2018 21:08
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Has a station ever said "this commercial is bullshit" before? I thought the most they said was a very neutral "this doesn't represent our views".
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Apr 8, 2018 21:08
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AlternateNu posted:Holy gently caress. ______________________Not Anymore! ____________________________/ 
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Apr 8, 2018 21:12
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This is the creepiest and overt "please trust us" trap ever. Sinclair is desperate to go back into the shadows. e: dog tax that I owed 
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Apr 8, 2018 21:13
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Sinclair is super scary but it would be even more so if they weren't so blatant.
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Apr 8, 2018 21:13
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Hastings posted:This is the creepiest and overt "please trust us" trap ever. Sinclair is desperate to go back into the shadows. 
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Apr 8, 2018 21:26
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AlternateNu posted:Holy gently caress. Why would any company want to advertise on stations that do that. This isn't even a matter of boycotting over issues, who's to say that these fuckers aren't going to start hammering, let's say Oreo's, for being gay cookies before every commercial. They've already set precedent here.
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Apr 8, 2018 21:29
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Isn't this sorta like the "I'm not a witch" ads? And when you're having to go out of your way to say something like that, it certainly doesn't help your reputation...
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Apr 8, 2018 21:39
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Throwing Turtles posted:Why would any company want to advertise on stations that do that. This isn't even a matter of boycotting over issues, who's to say that these fuckers aren't going to start hammering, let's say Oreo's, for being gay cookies before every commercial. They've already set precedent here. In a similar thing what's to stop them from doing this for every political ad they disagree with?
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Apr 8, 2018 21:40
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wilderthanmild posted:In a similar thing what's to stop them from doing this for every political ad they disagree with? Nothing, and their logic probably goes something along the lines of "we're just using our editorial voice to comment on this political matter. But over the last couple of decades the right wing has grown rather unhinged with what it considers a "political" matter. I guess the average person is going to think that it's just politics and who cares. But when they start ranting about MacDonald's for having too many girls on their latest movie cross promotion and how it hurts boys before the commercial for said promotion it's going to look a lot different. And you can't really even rely on the idea of profit keeping them in line, because I'm pretty sure their willing to take a loss on this TV thing just to control the message.
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Apr 8, 2018 21:50
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At the very least it's a breach of contract, and they should sue Sinclair for their advertising money. Commentary wrappers for advertisements are unprecedented (as far as my admittedly limited experience) so it seems like they'd have a pretty good case while raising the profile of Sinclair's behavior.
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Apr 8, 2018 21:53
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Throwing Turtles posted:Why would any company want to advertise on stations that do that. This isn't even a matter of boycotting over issues, who's to say that these fuckers aren't going to start hammering, let's say Oreo's, for being gay cookies before every commercial. They've already set precedent here. wilderthanmild posted:In a similar thing what's to stop them from doing this for every political ad they disagree with? Bingo, they loving shot themselves in the foot by doing this. Even if there's no recourse via the FCC, they've made themselves look very biased toward their advertisers and probably opened themselves up to some contract issues regarding that advertiser. They're well with in their rights to add disclaimers or something about stuff they don't disagree with, it happens all the time with stuff like infomercials or political programming, but they could have just gone with "the following advert does not represent the views and opinions of the station" boilerplate legal disclaimer instead of going "these guys are a bunch of lying liars, don't trust them". Stickman posted:At the very least it's a breach of contract, and they should sue Sinclair for their advertising money. Commentary wrappers for advertisements are unprecedented (as far as my admittedly limited experience) so it seems like they'd have a pretty good case while raising the profile of Sinclair's behavior. I've seen them, from time to time, when some anti-abortion group bought ad time and the broadcaster would put a commentary wrapper for "graphic images" since they almost always would show dismembered fetuses, but that was about it. Young Freud fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Apr 8, 2018 |
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Stickman posted:At the very least it's a breach of contract, and they should sue Sinclair for their advertising money. Commentary wrappers for advertisements are unprecedented (as far as my admittedly limited experience) so it seems like they'd have a pretty good case while raising the profile of Sinclair's behavior. Right, I have the feeling the current FCC would care much about it, but making this more public will hurt Sinclair.
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Apr 8, 2018 21:56
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Evil Fluffy posted:Bill Maher's a piece of poo poo who sees Ingraham go down for her bullshit and (rightfully) worries that it could (and should) happen to him one day when one of his own god awful views comes back to bite him. Wait, you think Bill Maher is worried he may lose advertisers? I think there's a flaw here you're overlooking. Dapper_Swindler posted:what i find funny, is reading old NRA stuff(like 40s, 50s even 60s) they were pretty decent. its just they let the monsters run the asylum just like the GOP. They didn't let them. The crazies pulled a coup on the sensible people after the sensible people tried to lock the screaming monkeys in a cage. You can actually pinpoint the exact moment in time the NRA went from sensible and measured to pantshitting cowardice and psychotic bloodlust - may 21 and 22, 1977. The Revolt in Cincinnatti. I'd have called it the Ratty-Tat-Tatty in Cincinnati, but that's just me. Dapper_Swindler posted:was it under nixon or reagan or was it more recent?
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Apr 8, 2018 22:02
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Born and raised in Seattle. KOMO 4 was a super-trusted source of news growing up and it is way sad to see this poo poo post-Sinclair buyout.
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Apr 8, 2018 22:03
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Zerilan posted:Right, I have the feeling the current FCC would care much about it, but making this more public will hurt Sinclair. How? They receive less advertisers if they run wraparounds saying "The following ad is lies" but only until they become the localized version of Fox News and some goldbug company fills in the spot. It stifles speech and that's the point. FCC ain't gonna stop em.
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Tir McDohl posted:Isn't this sorta like the "I'm not a witch" ads? And when you're having to go out of your way to say something like that, it certainly doesn't help your reputation... Yeah. The cat is already out of the bag with Sinclair. The entire point of their plan was that no one actually knew they existed or that their local news was being controlled by an over arching conservative station. They wanted everyone to just see their local news as "the local news" and thus buy into it as without an agenda. The second people started talking in the mainstream about "Sinclair" and Conservative Media started defending them as one of their own and Sinclair had to start defending its control over local news the whole game was exposed. Like, they're still a conservative media outlet who will spread lies but now they've been exposed to a ton of people who were unaware before.
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Apr 8, 2018 22:19
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Mantis42 posted:Capitalism and Communism aren't political systems, they're economic ones and Communism isn't defined as "the government does stuff". The two systems can't coexist by definition in the same society. Vanguardism is stupid tankie poo poo, Capitalism won't be overthrown by leftist intellectuals instituting good policy or whatever, it will, like feudalism before it, evolve to a point where it is no longer tenable and collapse. Trying to forcefully bring about a new world system in a society that has not reach that point yet, like 20th century Communist states, is akin to a 12th century peasant revolt trying to recreate the modern western republic or whatever, its completely outside of their context and ability. Marxism is better thought of as a form of critique, as the man himself writes: From way downtown but, This is true in a philosophical sense but fails to address the importance of agency and reduces the French Revoultion to a force of nature. Imagine if every French peasant had said to themselves, there's no cause to force change, the system will die when it finally collapses?
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Tir McDohl posted:Isn't this sorta like the "I'm not a witch" ads? And when you're having to go out of your way to say something like that, it certainly doesn't help your reputation... Explaining the reference : This was right after 2008, maybe 09/10 where another hot young thang/Palin-like candidate tried to run for senate/congress or something in VA.......or WV, or maybe PA?
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Stabbing in indianapolis; time and place matches when & where Food Not Bombs would be handing out food edit: FNB folk were safe; they'd just wrapped up. Not sure if some of the folk that got fed were also folk that got stabbed... re-edit: apparently the stabbing happened yesterday; it was reported today around the time that FNB had wrapped up, and the ambiguity prompted immediate discussion online edit2: also https://www.facebook.com/lakota.trucking/posts/1878414365606728 A Lakota man, facing prison time for his righteous actions during Standing Rock, announces his candidacy for President 2020 on Facebook. Uglycat fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Apr 8, 2018 |
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What the actual gently caress is this propaganda horseshit?
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Apr 8, 2018 22:25
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Mendrian posted:From way downtown but, I think the point is that class consciousness needs to spread widely and deeply enough into the working class before they can bring down the old system.
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Mendrian posted:This is true in a philosophical sense but fails to address the importance of agency and reduces the French Revoultion to a force of nature. Imagine if every French peasant had said to themselves, there's no cause to force change, the system will die when it finally collapses? The French Revolution wasn't driven by idealism, it was driven by people loving starving. The system could no longer reasonably guarantee the day-to-day survival of a large number of it's citizens, which is why it collapsed; the only reason the revolutionaries had the numbers to affect real change was that large swathes of people had (or at least felt they had) nothing left to lose.
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah. The cat is already out of the bag with Sinclair. The entire point of their plan was that no one actually knew they existed or that their local news was being controlled by an over arching conservative station. They wanted everyone to just see their local news as "the local news" and thus buy into it as without an agenda. The second people started talking in the mainstream about "Sinclair" and Conservative Media started defending them as one of their own and Sinclair had to start defending its control over local news the whole game was exposed. Deadspin may have single-handedly saved us from them by their amazing edit of the must-run segments.
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Random rear end in a top hat posted:The French Revolution wasn't driven by idealism, it was driven by people loving starving. The system could no longer reasonably guarantee the day-to-day survival of a large number of it's citizens, which is why it collapsed; the only reason the revolutionaries had the numbers to affect real change was that large swathes of people had (or at least felt they had) nothing left to lose.
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PhazonLink posted:Explaining the reference : This was right after 2008, maybe 09/10 where another hot young thang/Palin-like candidate tried to run for senate/congress or something in VA.......or WV, or maybe PA? Christine O'Donnell from Delaware. She ran against Joe Biden in the 2008 Senate campaign, then again in 2010 after Biden had vacated the seat to become vice president. That's when the "I am not a witch" commercial came about : apparently she was on Bill Maher's show when she mentioned that she had dabbled in witchcraft and had friends in high school that had midnight picnics on satanic altars. She lost the 2010 general election, is super in debt and works mostly as a columnist for the Moonie Times.
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Apr 8, 2018 22:43
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I'm curious about how the networks are going to feel about ad-wrappers like that.
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Apr 8, 2018 22:45
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FlamingLiberal posted:Russian Revolution had a lot to do with that also, between the poor conditions for people in Russia overall as well as a lot of people being sent to the front in WW1 Can't forget there were a string of serious revolts and uprisings throughout the decade. Also the Russian Revolution didn't grab the entire Empire overnight. It seized the control centres of Russia and then fought a brutal civil war after. Hell there are stories of during Mao's time when young communists would go to the villages and be asked by the peasants, who sits on the Dragon Throne these days?
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PhazonLink posted:Explaining the reference : This was right after 2008, maybe 09/10 where another hot young thang/Palin-like candidate tried to run for senate/congress or something in VA.......or WV, or maybe PA? Delaware, and the inciting incident was an old clip from, DUN DUN DUN, Bill Maher's Politically Incorrect https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvR8HmEedII So of course she felt the need to respond in 2010 after the clip, predictably, was dug up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxJyPsmEask
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:I'm curious about how the networks are going to feel about ad-wrappers like that. As mentioned they're very much not gonna like it. There are times when stations try to distance themselves from an ad they disagree with but that is usually done by the most generic and neutral of boilerplate as possible saying "We disagree with" or "graphic images ahead". Meanwhile, Sinclair is a company that has profited by hiding in the dark and shadows and recently got called out. The best thing for them to do would have been to keep their mouths shut and hope this all just blows over. Instead they post an epic level "Totally Not Angry!" ad-wrapper that states the company is totally fine with blasting any product or message it doesn't like. As someone up top mentioned...what if they suddenly decide as a hole that they feel Nabisco is being a bit too friendly to "TEH GEHYS" and start blasting ad wrappers like this around Oreo commercials? Once they did this once, the genie is out of the bottle. Literally they would have done less damage to their reputation/had less people fascinated by the advertisment if they had someone hold an airhorn up to a mic and blast it for 10-15 seconds before the ad to make people at home mute their TVs. The "NO WE'RE TOTALLY CALM AND NOT MAD AT ALL!" wrapper just gets people curious about whatever it is you're obviously upset about. This is the cable TV version of the Streissand Effect.
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I wonder if money-being-speech is going to have an effect here. Can you really take somebody's ad-speech, and say "and these motherfuckers right here..."? Without being sued?
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Alkydere posted:As mentioned they're very much not gonna like it. There are times when stations try to distance themselves from an ad they disagree with but that is usually done by the most generic and neutral of boilerplate as possible saying "We disagree with" or "graphic images ahead". It's also weird because they have no obligation to air the ad in the first place. If they'd simply refused to take it on, there might have been some tiny story saying "Sinclair refuses to run anti-Sinclair ad", but I honestly doubt too many people would have been upset about that. Instead, they took ad money and then poo poo a giant can of worms all over it. It boggles the mind. Slo-Tek posted:I wonder if money-being-speech is going to have an effect here. Can you really take somebody's ad-speech, and say "and these motherfuckers right here..."? Without being sued? It's not really a "free speech" issue because Sinclair is a private entity and the advertisement isn't from a federal campaign. It does seem like there might be a pretty good case for breach of contract, though. Stickman fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Apr 8, 2018 |
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Danger posted:Are we still talking about whack job Kermit the frog in here? I beg your pardon?
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Arturo Ui posted:Deadspin may have single-handedly saved us from them by their amazing edit of the must-run segments. Which came first, that or the John Oliver spot? I think the latter is what brought it to the attention of most people, myself included. If deadspin brought it to the attention of LWT, props to them.
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Taffer posted:Which came first, that or the John Oliver spot? I think the latter is what brought it to the attention of most people, myself included. If deadspin brought it to the attention of LWT, props to them. John Oliver was first, last year.
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