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Nessus posted:I still haven't done all the ARR hards myself, I wish they had a wonder tails sticker this time around. There is a Lv50 Dungeon for WT, but of course you won't necessarily get it every week.
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Alder posted:Anyone on aether learning Byakko ex? I'm late to the party but I want the Digimon. Steel yourself! 
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So I didn't realize I still had 4.2 left to go, and knocked that out today. FF14, are you loving kidding me? Convenient amnesia or no, Yotsuyu was a sadistic tyrant who killed people for giggles and bemoaned slaughtering kojin who worked for her because it wasn't fun like killing Domans. She does not loving deserve anything but death.
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Cythereal posted:Convenient amnesia or no, Yotsuyu was a sadistic tyrant who killed people for giggles and bemoaned slaughtering kojin who worked for her because it wasn't fun like killing Domans. She does not loving deserve anything but death. Hmm.
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Apr 9, 2018 01:40
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There's an interesting moral discussion to be had regarding Whether or not someone with no memories of who they are can be held accountable for actions they have no memory of doing.
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Apr 9, 2018 01:42
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YoshiOfYellow posted:There's an interesting moral discussion to be had regarding Whether or not someone with no memories of who they are can be held accountable for actions they have no memory of doing. This, pretty much. IMO punishing Yotsuyu in her daytime soap opera amnesia state would qualify as vengeance, but not as justice. You can't learn any meaningful lessons if you don't understand why you need to be punished, and beyond that she isn't exactly a threat to anybody at this point. If the memory does come back though, go right ahead and drop another castle on her (properly this time).
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Apr 9, 2018 01:58
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Cythereal posted:So I didn't realize I still had 4.2 left to go, and knocked that out today. FF14, are you loving kidding me? Yikes dude. While I suspect Yotsuyu is likely to become her old self and go loving crazy, as an outside observer, from a strictly in character perspective what you're proposing is pretty monstrous. She has zero recollection of who she was, which for all intents and purposes means she's not the same person anymore. If she was still Yotsuyu, I'd agree, kill her please but she's not. She's Tsuyu. You're functionally murdering a child.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Yikes dude. That is the real question. Is Yotsuyu a good enough actor to fool her own brother? Or does she really know nothing? And what the heck is that fancy mirror for?
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Apr 9, 2018 02:31
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Captain Oblivious posted:Yikes dude. A child responsible for an enormous amount of suffering and death. If nothing else, she should be thrown in prison for life for everyone's safety. If she wants redemption, she can start earning it anytime. Prove she's a different person.
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Cythereal posted:Sirensong Sea: it has no story purpose, but there's a terrific atmosphere between the visual and music designs. Last boss has a simple but kinda fun gimmick that forces you to think a bit, and I'm legit curious about what the heck was going on here. Hard mode please? Last boss is the one with Forced March, right? Omega 3 savage greatly expands on the concept. Best dungeon... probably Keeper of the Lake, mostly for Midgardsormr’s piano theme.
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Apr 9, 2018 02:48
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Cythereal posted:A child responsible for an enormous amount of suffering and death. If nothing else, she should be thrown in prison for life for everyone's safety. If she wants redemption, she can start earning it anytime. Prove she's a different person. She has no conception or memory of the person who did those things. She's scared and broken. Tsuyu has no redemption to earn. This is a different person in the same skin.
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apostateCourier posted:She has no conception or memory of the person who did those things. She's scared and broken. Tsuyu has no redemption to earn. This is a different person in the same skin. And there's no end of plot devices that can bring that memory right back - like that mirror probably will. What it is, is an incredibly lazy plot device being used because apparently someone was too squeamish to say that Yotsuyu in her current state deserved a chance to redeem herself. It strikes me as painfully Blizzard-esque writing that reminds me far too strongly of Kerrigan and Illidan. It's bad writing, but par for the course for SB. Yotsuyu and Gosetsu absolutely should have died - and I say this when Gosetsu is my favorite character in SB.
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Apr 9, 2018 03:03
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Cythereal posted:And there's no end of plot devices that can bring that memory right back - like that mirror probably will. What it is, is an incredibly lazy plot device being used because apparently someone was too squeamish to say that Yotsuyu in her current state deserved a chance to redeem herself. It strikes me as painfully Blizzard-esque writing that reminds me far too strongly of Kerrigan and Illidan. It's certainly a soap opera plot but it's not like Final Fantasy has never had a soap opera plot before. It's a question with no good answer, and the fact that the question is even coming up beyond Gotetsu or Hien quietly having her killed is, I think, a sign of actual willingness to TRY to engage with complicated questions. It is completely fair, of course, to dislike it.
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Apr 9, 2018 03:11
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While I don't like the pair of characters surviving miraculously as they did, I do look forward to see where they go with this since XIV has generally been decent when it comes to writing characters who've done awful things and how it reflects on everyone and the society involved.
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Apr 9, 2018 03:12
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World War Mammories posted:Last boss is the one with Forced March, right? Omega 3 savage greatly expands on the concept. Having to heal the last boss in Keeper of the Lake repeatedly in 50/60 roulette while levelling my WHM really drove home for me how many people make it to that point in the story without any understanding of mechanics whatsoever.
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Apr 9, 2018 03:16
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Nessus posted:What's bad about it? Like, without saying "bad" or "lazy," what's the bad thing here? I say look at Fordola in 4.1. While I think the handling of her story is a bit ham-handed, I'm warming to her start on a redemption arc. She knows she did awful poo poo, and no one's going to forgive her... but she's starting to change. That's the thing about redemption. It's not an event. It's not a thing that happens and is over. It's a complete change in how a person lives their life and sees the world. Fordola seems to be going for that, and I like it and am beginning to like her despite hating her during 4.0 Yotsuyu strikes me as trying to get the same effect without any of the work, and my dislike of her is only intensifying where 4.1 saw me come around on Fordola. They were both terrible people and I'd have been happy if both of them had died. I hate how every female bad guy has a tragic backstory that involves being sexually exploited, but I would have been happy with both of them dying. Fordola to me feels like she's earning the right to not have someone shank her in the prison shower. Yotsuyu, not so much.
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Cythereal posted:I say look at Fordola in 4.1. While I think the handling of her story is a bit ham-handed, I'm warming to her start on a redemption arc. She knows she did awful poo poo, and no one's going to forgive her... but she's starting to change. That's the thing about redemption. It's not an event. It's not a thing that happens and is over. It's a complete change in how a person lives their life and sees the world. Fordola seems to be going for that, and I like it and am beginning to like her despite hating her during 4.0 This is all kind of irrelevant because there is no Yotsuyu to earn redemption at this point in time. That character might resurface, but in a very real sense she currently does not exist. All we are as people is the sum of our experiences, run through a couple of pounds of meat we call a brain. Remove those experiences, you've removed the person 
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Captain Oblivious posted:This is all kind of irrelevant because there is no Yotsuyu to earn redemption at this point in time. That character might resurface, but in a very real sense she currently does not exist. But beneath our thoughts and memories is our soul, and amnesia doesn't change that. Yotsuyu never showed a hint of remorse. Never showed the slightest bit of sympathy towards anyone. I still think executing her would be entirely justified, especially since you just know that her real memories are still there, just buried. That's how amnesia plots work. I think amnesia is a terrible plot device unless it's used at the start of a character's arc and part of that arc is figuring out their past and reacting to it. If the writers want me to feel Yotsuyu deserves redemption, she can start earning it any time.
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Cythereal posted:Yotsuyu strikes me as trying to get the same effect without any of the work, and my dislike of her is only intensifying where 4.1 saw me come around on Fordola. They were both terrible people and I'd have been happy if both of them had died. I hate how every female bad guy has a tragic backstory that involves being sexually exploited, but I would have been happy with both of them dying. Fordola to me feels like she's earning the right to not have someone shank her in the prison shower. Yotsuyu, not so much. On the topic of Fordola, I don't think she was sexually exploited? I don't know who has been other than Yotsuyu and that spy from ARR whose name I can't remember. The topic does come up more often than I'd like but I don't think Livia was being sexually exploited (though she was certainly in a hosed-up affair with Gaius, that's a different thing) and neither was Lady Iceheart. That about runs them out for persistent female antagonists.
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Done with Eureka for my main. Since I don't have any other classes at 70 yet, I won't be back anytime soon (or until they add a new step).  Boy, I sure hope I don't look stupid in this. I agree that Fordola is being handled better than Yotsuyu. I'm kind of curious about other stuff that got hinted in the patch's story, but that could go either way.
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Solitair posted:Done with Eureka for my main. Since I don't have any other classes at 70 yet, I won't be back anytime soon (or until they add a new step). Lookin good
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Just finished the Royal Menagerie and unlocked the ability to do Eureka. Knowing extremely little about this game, I'm gonna get in to start getting better gear I guess  .All I have is the job gear I got from the level 70 PLD quest. Anything I should watch out for in Eureka other than it being kind of a terrible slog? Hit me with all the goon knowledge please.
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Solitair posted:Done with Eureka for my main. Since I don't have any other classes at 70 yet, I won't be back anytime soon (or until they add a new step). Nice colours!
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NachtSieger posted:Just finished the Royal Menagerie and unlocked the ability to do Eureka.
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I hear it's got really good stuff for Paladins, including armor I can penta meld?
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Apr 9, 2018 04:22
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All the SB dungeons so far are my favorites, for various reasons. Mostly either they have a nice atmosphere (Sironsong Sea), nice music (Shisui, Skalla) or are just fun (Bardam's). The shine will probably wear off once I grind them to death on my quest to get everything to 70.
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NachtSieger posted:I hear it's got really good stuff for Paladins, including armor I can penta meld?
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EponymousMrYar posted:Is Yotsuyu a good enough actor to fool her own brother? Or does she really know nothing? And what the heck is that fancy mirror for? If I'm rembering right, that mirror is supposed to be from the myths of Amaterasu, which has some people thinking Yotsuyu's gonna go Primal for our big story climax, it also fits with the patch title "Rise of a New Sun" since Amaterasu is a sun goddess, also she's Susano-o's brother. So plenty of things to suggest it can happen.
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NachtSieger posted:I hear it's got really good stuff for Paladins, including armor I can penta meld? The whole penta-meld thing on the Eureka gear is a trap. It's more expensive than it's worth to meld it out and even optimally melded still clocks in worse than the 360 tome gear. In essence you're buying into what the gear will be in the next step, or doing like me and getting a class that was stuck back in the 310-320 days up to 350. edit: or optimally not doing Eureka at all.
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Shere posted:The whole penta-meld thing on the Eureka gear is a trap. It's more expensive than it's worth to meld it out and even optimally melded still clocks in worse than the 360 tome gear. If you're doing eureka enough to finish a full gear set, you will very likely have all the materia you need with no issue just by cracking open the lockboxes.
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I capped my tomes, did my WT, did my fashion report and custom deliveries by Friday. I kept telling myself to log on for Eureka on Saturday and Sunday. I did not log on except for cactpot.
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I only need two more levels for my relic in Eureka and if the future Eureka stuff is just this again but a different map and higher levels...I will be VERY miffed!!!
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Is the Crystal tower storyline interesting? I've done the raids but I'm just wondering if I should go back and watch the cutscenes.
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Zokari posted:I only need two more levels for my relic in Eureka and if the future Eureka stuff is just this again but a different map and higher levels...I will be VERY miffed!!! They already said the next Eureka will have some kind of new mechanic. Though that isn't necessarily a good thing.
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It is not only interesting, but the raids are fun to run (helps if you haven’t done them a hundred times), drop middling to decent glamour gear, and it’s vital to understanding the full backstory of a particular side character. Supes worth it.
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a crisp refreshing Moxie posted:It is not only interesting, but the raids are fun to run (helps if you haven’t done them a hundred times), drop middling to decent glamour gear, and it’s vital to understanding the full backstory of a particular side character. Traxis posted:Is the Crystal tower storyline interesting? I've done the raids but I'm just wondering if I should go back and watch the cutscenes.
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Ohtsam posted:If you're doing eureka enough to finish a full gear set, you will very likely have all the materia you need with no issue just by cracking open the lockboxes. We must be opening different lockboxes unless you're referring to the mountains of grade 5s. But even setting that aside, just because they're free doesn't mean they don't have a cost - you could just sell them instead. Or again, not do Eureka.
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My phone has a very small resolution, ok?!  My first and last points stand, anyway.
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ImpAtom posted:They already said the next Eureka will have some kind of new mechanic. Though that isn't necessarily a good thing. Bet it's as meaningful as the magia board, which I'm pretty sure only exists to trick people into thinking Eureka might be interesting when you first get there.
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kirbysuperstar posted:Nice colours! All my tank sets are yellow when I can dye them. I color-code my gear by suffix (fending, striking, etc.) because I level everything and I wanted to keep better track of them in my armory chest.
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