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Tom Guycot posted:I think the force was never a two sides issue where there needs to be balance, I always saw, and the original movies pretty much state this, that the Dark side is in a way just explaining that you can get great power cheaply and easily by succumbing to greed, hate, selfishness, and every base instinct. The force was just a power, but to be a good person and harness that power was harder to do so the easy way and letting loose was a tempting thing.
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BarronsArtGallery posted:The more I read from Rian Johnson and the behind the scenes stuff, the more I think he was loving way too talented to have a go at Star Wars. Honestly the nerd hate about the direction he wrote Luke to go in is going to be viewed as essential years down the road because anything else would be expected, especially given the poo poo being put out by the MCU nowadays. That's a good explanation. TLJ felt like two movies crammed into one; Johnson's and the studio's. Johnson wasn't in it to sell action figures, he had stuff to say about the end of myth cycles and class struggle. The studio, well I'm surprised we don't have a Canto Bight playset that folds up to look like somebody's head. I like where Johnson was going with his stuff and I'm excited to se what he does in his own trilogy.
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kylo knows about rey's parentage because rey knows about her parentage, she was just in denial
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BarronsArtGallery posted:The more I read from Rian Johnson and the behind the scenes stuff, the more I think he was loving way too talented to have a go at Star Wars. Honestly the nerd hate about the direction he wrote Luke to go in is going to be viewed as essential years down the road because anything else would be expected, especially given the poo poo being put out by the MCU nowadays. Yeah Johnson seems really well-studied and has done a good job explaining himself. It sucks because it feels like all of his press post-release has been him having to justify and unpack everything in the film. JJ's 7 and Edwards' Rogue feel like they were made by people with an understanding of film that begins with Spielberg/Lucas. Johnson's TLJ feels like it was made by a much more literate person. I know that's not necessarily the case, and that Rian has been much more explicit about the movies he was making the crew watch for feel, and he also replicated a shot from Wings, so it could just be he's better at showing his film school flair.
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Ingmar terdman posted:Yeah Johnson seems really well-studied and has done a good job explaining himself. Hardly. Myths are not "made to reflect the most difficult transitions we go through in life," but to compress and explain the world.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Hardly. Myths are not "made to reflect the most difficult transitions we go through in life," but to compress and explain the world. You're summarizing our culture's popular understanding of myth, which has been shaped by historical pressures such as the establishment of a distinction between pagan and Christian beliefs in order to establish the cultural hegemony of the later by delegitimzing the former, the later desire to safely contextualize Greek and Roman cultures in a manner which allowed them to be experienced by Christian Europeans without challenging that hegemony, the need to explain the difference between empirical science and pre-scientific understandings of the world, and the distinctions between legitimate "rational" belief and backwards "superstition" developed during the religious conflict of the Protestant Reformation and later deployed by European elites against the cultures of both their domestic rural and lower classes and those of colonized populations. In the original Greek, "mythos" is a concept which applies to anything which can be conveyed by words, used in a context closely linked to the development of Greek poetry and theater. It was, for example, an important concept in the development of tragedy.
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Hodgepodge posted:You're summarizing our culture's popular understanding of myth, which has been shaped by historical pressures such as the establishment of a distinction between pagan and Christian beliefs in order to establish the cultural hegemony of the later by delegitimzing the former, the later desire to safely contextualize Greek and Roman cultures in a manner which allowed them to be experienced by Christian Europeans without challenging that hegemony, the need to explain the difference between empirical science and pre-scientific understandings of the world, and the distinctions between legitimate "rational" belief and backwards "superstition" developed during the religious conflict of the Protestant Reformation and later deployed by European elites against the cultures of both their domestic rural and lower classes and those of colonized populations. So what you're saying is that Rian Johnson is talking about use of words.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:So what you're saying is that Rian Johnson is talking about use of words. I think he's saying you're coming across as a contrarian and an idiot (because hardly anything you say makes sense).
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Apr 6, 2018 19:18
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If Rian is so smart then how come he made the worst star wars movie?
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Apr 6, 2018 19:29
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Didn't know he had such a huge part to play in Attack of the Clones. The more you know.
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FuturePastNow posted:Rey has no clear idea who her parents were. Kylo probably has no idea who her parents were but might want to gently caress with her. Snoke probably knew but he had no reason to be honest and definitely wanted to gently caress with her. Luke might have known but he wanted her to stop thinking about that stuff and leave. The whole point of the reveal was that Rey knew all along her parents were nobodies.
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kidkissinger posted:If Rian is so smart then how come he made the worst star wars movie? I don't think he had anything to do with the Christmas Special.
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Apr 6, 2018 20:24
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mllaneza posted:That's a good explanation. TLJ felt like two movies crammed into one; Johnson's and the studio's. Johnson wasn't in it to sell action figures, he had stuff to say about the end of myth cycles and class struggle. The studio, well I'm surprised we don't have a Canto Bight playset that folds up to look like somebody's head. Hopefully the first movie of the Johnson trilogy will be the next Star Wars I see
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Apr 6, 2018 20:37
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rian johnson will direct a trilogy with bb8 and ewoks and porgs and kathleen kennedy will have a toy-inspired orgasm
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Apr 6, 2018 23:35
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Would watch a wordless porg drama
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Apr 7, 2018 01:59
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The Porgs are great. I harp on TLJ constantly but I will never not defend the Porgs. They fit perfectly fine with the Star Wars tradition of having fun space critters, and I think they're cute.
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Apr 8, 2018 00:52
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i like all the star wars, even that piece of poo poo 'the force awakens'
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Apr 8, 2018 05:14
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Porgs are cute and they sound funny. I have no issue with them.
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Apr 8, 2018 11:55
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Porgs and freezing blaster bolts mid air are the only cool addition to the new trilogy. They need more of both.
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gohmak posted:Porgs and freezing blaster bolts mid air are the only cool addition to the new trilogy. They need more of both. Sorry, we need to spend 40 minutes and half the budget on a galactic Olympics set where all of the athletes can only afford to participate because they own planets/slaves, but the director and producers expect us to cheer for Leia's resistance friends who are also there as athletes.
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Apr 8, 2018 14:40
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I'VE GOT A REALLY GOOD FEELING ABOUT THIS
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Apr 9, 2018 02:08
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I know that thing. https://youtu.be/kjEd3DpH_e0
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Wank posted:I'VE GOT A REALLY GOOD FEELING ABOUT THIS I can't get a good read on this movie. You've got: -Very troubled production history -Not sure if the lead is bad in this or not. The news articles on this were hit pieces on him, so who knows. -The last STAR WARS STORY was bad. -Lines like what you posted. -Michael K. Williams being replaced by Paul Bethany. Apparently there were legit reasons for this but it still sucks. But then there's: -Ron Howard. He's a competent director. Maybe he really did come in and save this movie for Disney -Donald Glover -Woody Harrelson -Clint Howard -I like the droid sidekick -Some of the visuals looked pretty good TBH. I suspect it will be better than Rogue One.
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Every time a new Solo thing comes out, RLM gets another prediction or two right. And it also looks more and more like Rogue One which is surprising
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Ingmar terdman posted:JJ's 7 and Edwards' Rogue feel like they were made by people with an understanding of film that begins with Spielberg/Lucas. Johnson's TLJ feels like it was made by a much more literate person. I know that's not necessarily the case, and that Rian has been much more explicit about the movies he was making the crew watch for feel, and he also replicated a shot from Wings, so it could just be he's better at showing his film school flair. TLJ is beautifully shot. I can argue about some of what ended up in the movie not needing to be there, but everything we did see is beautifully shot. Also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPEYpryMp2s
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Jose Oquendo posted:
The droid sidekick's name is L337.
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Wank posted:The droid sidekick's name is L337. good.
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Apr 9, 2018 05:50
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Is it gonna be manufactured by Leet Industries or some poo poo?
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I think the biggest warning sign one can take from this whole thing is that this isn’t a Christmas release. I’m looking forward to it. Wanna bet that Space-Dany will betray him? Ofc not, you’re not idiots; who would bet against that?
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So I just got done watching TLJ..a bit late I know. How did Rey escape and suddenly be on the Falcon shooting poo poo up ? did I blink and miss something ? What was up with the Yoda puppet ? It looked a bit low rent and pulled me out of that scene a little. Both of these things may have been covered in this thread but its huge and I am not combing though it all..
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Apr 9, 2018 06:45
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Chewie probably picked her up. He knew where she was. And no it didn’t.
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mfny posted:How did Rey escape and suddenly be on the Falcon shooting poo poo up ? did I blink and miss something? Someone asked that question in November and in a panic they recorded a voice over of "she took snokes escape ship" to kylo ren.
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Does Lobot have free will?
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BigglesSWE posted:I think the biggest warning sign one can take from this whole thing is that this isn’t a Christmas release. Actually I'd bet that Han betrays them. That advice is for Han but it's something Woody himself won't hear.
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How did Batman get to Gotham!
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Spacebump posted:Does Lobot have free will? I don't know, but his disco style is unmatched.
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mfny posted:What was up with the Yoda puppet ? It looked a bit low rent and pulled me out of that scene a little. Did you watch the behind the scenes? That puppet is a dead ringer for the one used in ESB.
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PriorMarcus posted:Actually I'd bet that Han betrays them. Pretty sure it will be this. It's to easy of a story tie in to ESB.
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PriorMarcus posted:Actually I'd bet that Han betrays them. That would make sense. Because isn't Han supposed to be kind of a bad guy when we meet him in new hope? So of course they won't do it in this movie. Han will be a handsome good boy (but just a little naughty) the entire movie.
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I don't hate it. And there seems to be a lot of Chewbacca action - he even crushes some poor sods head into the ground. 190 years old tho??
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