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WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

Grapplejack posted:

So what is your proposed solution that isn't "civil war now." Third party?

Attempt to primary every bad dem possible. If the party digs their heels in and absolutely refuses to move left even a little, hopefully the 2020 primary spurs a fracturing of the party and we get an actual viable leftist third party.

Regardless, it's an uphill battle and everyone here knows it so we really don't like being told that we just need to work harder.

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readingatwork
Jan 8, 2009

Hello Fatty!


Fun Shoe

WampaLord posted:

Attempt to primary every bad dem possible. If the party digs their heels in and absolutely refuses to move left even a little, hopefully the 2020 primary spurs a fracturing of the party and we get an actual viable leftist third party.

Regardless, it's an uphill battle and everyone here knows it so we really don't like being told that we just need to work harder.

I’d also advise getting the public educated about socialism as much as possible. Not many people will change their minds right now due to the economy finally healing but that will change once the next recession hits. We’ll want to have as much groundwork laid as we can before that happens.

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Article about how Tocqueville was revived and consciously pushed as a conservative movement ideologue postwar when he was completely forgotten circa 1930

https://www.the-american-interest.com/2018/04/03/non-to-tocqueville/

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

An interview from NPR just revealed that Pruitt and his team lack the temperament or ability to go through with the lengthy legal processes required to roll back the EPA!

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




Grouchio posted:

An interview from NPR just revealed that Pruitt and his team lack the temperament or ability to go through with the lengthy legal processes required to roll back the EPA!

Yeah all this poo poo is going to go to the courts and they have essentially mounds of loosely packed adulterated bullshit to justify what they're doing.

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


Sounds like the liberal plan to vote in the Nazis didn't work in Hungary.

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy
https://twitter.com/davidaxelrod/status/982980607771848704?s=21

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

I, too, am not old enough to remember the impeachment of Bill Clinton.

Javid
Oct 21, 2004

:jpmf:
Who really wants President Pence, though?

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

Javid posted:

Who really wants President Pence, though?

Did we ever decide on the relative likelihood of Pence nuking/getting someone nuked?

I feel that's a fairly relevant question right as I'm posting this.

Javid
Oct 21, 2004

:jpmf:
I'd personally guess substantially less likely than Trump. Other hand, he'd spend a lot less time tweeting angrily and a lot more time getting poo poo on his agenda done, and that's not what anybody ITT wants.

Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?

How is David Axelrod this stupid? The article literally says that this strategy is in part designed kill enthusiasm among the Democratic base by forcing moderates to side against impeachment and his response is to emphatically side against impeachment? What the gently caress?

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy
https://twitter.com/owillis/status/982967396481814528
Exhibit A for the Democratic Party's desire to have its progressive base disappear.

Obligatory lol at Shareblue Willis.

Typical Pubbie
May 10, 2011
Don't boo! Vote!

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Paradoxish posted:

How is David Axelrod this stupid? The article literally says that this strategy is in part designed kill enthusiasm among the Democratic base by forcing moderates to side against impeachment and his response is to emphatically side against impeachment? What the gently caress?

How indeed. :thunk:

BadOptics
Sep 11, 2012


Impeachment has always been a political tool you loving idiot.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

from the subtweets re @deray:

https://twitter.com/itsazul_/status/982857362993307648

"Also one of the only BLM activists who hasn’t got killed"

I... uh...

:psyduck: is BLM a movement made entirely of spooky ghosts now

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

from the subtweets re @deray:


"Also one of the only BLM activists who hasn’t got killed"

I... uh...

:psyduck: is BLM a movement made entirely of spooky ghosts now

A lot of the original Ferguson protestors here in st. louis are dead already. Many of them "found" by the police shot to death in burning cars. Hmmm.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

from the subtweets re @deray:

https://twitter.com/itsazul_/status/982857362993307648

"Also one of the only BLM activists who hasn’t got killed"

I... uh...

:psyduck: is BLM a movement made entirely of spooky ghosts now

That last part is insane.

joepinetree
Apr 5, 2012
Azul is probably referencing things like this

quote:

THE BETRAYALS

St. Louis

BLMC travelled to St. Louis and met numerous families and community fighters still pushing to get killer cops indicted, arrested and jailed. They have all told us the same story: people on the ground were mobilizing and making gains in the fight. They were mobilizing people in militant action against city and town administrations and the police. Then people from the organization now known as BLM, DeRay McKesson, Color of Change, Dream Defenders, and others descended upon St. Louis. They took media credit, pushed the BLM name and as a result, concessionary funds from the government as well as from those with money looking to make contributions for the fight all funneled into the coffers of BLM and local activists willing to cut deals against the interests and wishes of the people of St. Louis most affected by police murder.

No chapter of BLM existed in Ferguson. But the media carried and carries the lie that this broad collection of families and fighters exist under a BLM umbrella. They don’t. BLM is a small fraction in a larger pie of the Black liberation movement, nationally. There are many organizations and individuals doing work with no affiliation to BLM and with many different names. All the powerful sacrifices of autonomous families and groupings around the country are continuously attributed to works of BLM.

Grassroots leaders of the struggle in St. Louis, including Darren Seals, have been assassinated by what many believe to be police forces. Multiple people have been shot in the head and burned in their cars with high-grade accelerants over the past 3 years and BLM has not uttered a peep in their defense or called for a special investigation. Several of these slain activists spoke out about the treachery of BLM and McKesson and some of the deals being cut behind closed doors.


DeRay also seems to cash in on his fame, such as when he tweets about how eating rainbow doritos is a nice way to support LGBTQ causes, or when he took a job as the head HR person for Baltimore schools, making almost $170k a year to provide political cover for a bunch of layoffs


Also, gently caress TFA

joepinetree fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Apr 9, 2018

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer
https://twitter.com/IfNotNowOrg/status/983368040082558977

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax
is this what horseshoe theory is, cause this is some hot-rear end garbage right here

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...m=.5d0ab9d0d8d0

This is how Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump are the same person

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

We all knew it was inevitable, and those kids probably knew as well. Good kids, they are, don't really deserve to go out with the rest of us :smith:

Take a swim in a pool of burning tires, Chuck.

botany posted:

is this what horseshoe theory is, cause this is some hot-rear end garbage right here

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...m=.5d0ab9d0d8d0

This is how Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump are the same person

"Bernie Sanders and Trump share the same DNA" *writes almost entirely about Donald trump*

Also posted in June of 2016 so lol at you Johnathan Capeheart you punk rear end bastard.

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy
Don't ever write satire again.
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/983368851596431361
It is of no purpose.

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


botany posted:

is this what horseshoe theory is, cause this is some hot-rear end garbage right here

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...m=.5d0ab9d0d8d0

This is how Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump are the same person

yyyyeeeppp

edit: :lol: i didn't realize it was capeheart of bruce rappaport fame

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

https://twitter.com/Trillburne/status/983173871565180928

This ride never ends.

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy
Of all the Democratic hopefuls, McAuliffe likely numbers among the not-worst. That's pretty loving bad.

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer
Wasn't he a nominally popular Virginia governor? I only know him for being drunk on TV, friends with the Clintons, and giving back a bunch of felons their voting rights by hand (which is legitimately pretty cool).

I mean stories like these are kind of pointless, it's 2018 and anyone can say "I wanna run as a Dem for president" all they like, nobody is just gonna waltz through the primary unscathed.

He's just gonna be M'OM tier material, the guy who is locally well-known but a non-entity nationally.

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

lol I mean, that's about what you'd expect.

Besides that's not entirely accurate, he touches adult women without their consent in public too! :v:

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009


Lightning Knight posted:

lol I mean, that's about what you'd expect.

Besides that's not entirely accurate, he touches adult women without their consent in public too! :v:

Yeah, calling him a pedophile muddies the waters for the hundreds of other reasons why he shouldn't be a presidential nominee.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

That's a QAnon conspiracy theorist, I'm sure.

Majorian posted:

Yeah, calling him a pedophile muddies the waters for the hundreds of other reasons why he shouldn't be a presidential nominee.

I strongly suspect that isn't a left-wing activist but a right-wing conspiracy theorist.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

I strongly suspect that isn't a left-wing activist but a right-wing conspiracy theorist.

Probably. Or someone who's just too whacked-out to fall on a defined point on the political spectrum.

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Lightning Knight posted:

Wasn't he a nominally popular Virginia governor?

yeah, but that's mostly because all the governor of va has to do is keep the dc cash flowing, and as a clinton bagman he was well-suited to the task

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

The Muppets On PCP posted:

yeah, but that's mostly because all the governor of va has to do is keep the dc cash flowing, and as a clinton bagman he was well-suited to the task

Ah ok. I'm not gonna stan for him, he seems pretty middle of the road average.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

Condiv posted:

yyyyeeeppp

edit: :lol: i didn't realize it was capeheart of bruce rappaport fame

what's the story there? i didn't know this author before.

(also i have to admit i didn't see that the article was from 2016, sorry everyone)

ReidRansom
Oct 25, 2004


My impression of McAuliffe is that he essentially exceeded expectations because everyone was expecting actively bad instead of inoffensively competent. I can't say that qualifies him for the presidency, but that's for the primaries to sort out. And the US has definitely done worse.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Lightning Knight posted:

Ah ok. I'm not gonna stan for him, he seems pretty middle of the road average.

Yeah, he's pretty much a garden-variety Democratic apparatchik, but that's a big part of why he'd be a bad nominee. He embodies the Democratic machine too perfectly.

readingatwork
Jan 8, 2009

Hello Fatty!


Fun Shoe

LOL David thinks norms actually mean anything when one side of the isle is filled with cynical sociopaths.

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Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

botany posted:

what's the story there? i didn't know this author before.

(also i have to admit i didn't see that the article was from 2016, sorry everyone)

Capehart is a journalist who's on MSNBC a lot. Here's a good piece on him and his role in the 2016 media narrative. I've had a couple social media back-and-forths with him, and he strikes me as a nice guy who's well-meaning, but completely clueless about the political and social forces at work in 2016. Plus, as the Paste article points out, he had some personal ties to the Clinton campaign, so...

Majorian fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Apr 9, 2018

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