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It's also not entirely fair to IJN fire control, as Japan (along with Germany—not coincidentally countries with crap radar) had some of the world's best optical rangefinders at the time. You can still feel their influence today in things like Nikon cameras.
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wedgekree posted:Does it make you keep track of what sort of shells you're loading up into the turrets? If so do you have to manually switch the loadouts before an engagement (such as switching to HE for shore bombardment or AP if going to get into a surface engagement)? A port needs to be a certain size (6 or 7 I think) to be able to reload the biggest battleship guns, but I'm pretty sure that Rabaul can still meet this requirement if you put a tender in it. And then, as other posters have said, there are "Ops points" that determine how much stuff a ship can do within a given turn-cycle, and it can take more than one cycle for a ship to be reloaded and refueled. I'm not sure if the port size has anything to do with the rate of replenishment, but probably. Finally, the game doesn't model the difference between HE and AP loads, but ships on a Bombardment mission are always going to perform worse in surface combat than ships in a Surface Combat mission, so you do still need a Surface Combat SAG to escort your Bombardment SAG if you expect to run into enemy ships.
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My hope for the upcoming Decisive Battle is that the Yamato will run out of regular shell while approaching the Allied fleet, and then use those insane main guns AA shells as a point-blank range shotgun or something equally ridiculous.
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I wonder how well an Iowa could tank a beehive shell fired into its superstructure from like a kilometer or two away...
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gradenko_2000 posted:A port needs to be a certain size (6 or 7 I think) to be able to reload the biggest battleship guns, but I'm pretty sure that Rabaul can still meet this requirement if you put a tender in it. Pretty sure it’s 7. 6 can do smaller battleships. Rabaul can get to 7 if you expand it.
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I had Milne Bay up to 6 with an AE and was able to reload 16" guns. Naval Support squads also help.
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Are surface ship and submarine torpedoes resupplied in the same way? I only ask because I know i've heard that torpedo bomber squadrons require an Air HQ to be within 8 hexes or something else arcane like that, in addition to the usual airbase size and supply requirements.
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Crazycryodude posted:I wonder how well an Iowa could tank a beehive shell fired into its superstructure from like a kilometer or two away... The battleship itself? Perfectly fine. You might knock out some delicate systems up in the mast, but the individual turrets have secondary systems for fire control and at point blank range that targeting isn't exactly difficult. Now the navigational bridge would likely massively suffer, depending on where the shell was aimed and at what angle, but command functions would generally be fine. What was effectively large amounts of shrapnel would basically do jack-all to the extremely heavily armored control centers for various command personnel during a battle.
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   I don't feel like I've seen an American sub in a while.   The third invasion of Wake begins. My troops are now supplied with more defenders on the ground!  The coastal guns still work!   Daytime, and one of my subs is hit hard. Where was my battleship battle?  Come back you cowards!  The battleships flee, abandoning the transports.  This task force puts up a fight, and gets in a torpedo hit on one of my battleships.  It's another massacre.  Then their battleships come in and give our ships a proper battle. Overall, I think they came off better here.  The fleets scatter, and it becomes a free for all.  Now it's the carrier's turn.  We've pounded the Queen hard.  Their troop losses have been fairly low.  There is some dogfighting over Rabaul.  It's not looking good for the new invaders of Wake.  Nope. Thought so.  They do take an undefended Eniwetok though. I thought I'd give some other islands some fame this time around.   That was another epic day, but not without losses. We ended up 282 points better off.  That is some butchers bill. Most of my other battleships are now combat ineffective. They used their freighters to use up my ammo before they attacked. The cold hearted bastards.
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Ooof. We can't afford to trade battleships. Hopefully the Queen goes down and helps the score a little bit more.
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The Yamato sinking the Iowa in surface combat, I think that qualifies as a moral victory if nothing else.
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I know we can't afford to lose anything at this point, much less a battleship, but at least it's "just" an ancient WWI-era ship. Trading a BB laid down in 1913 for what's probably the most advanced and capable BB on the planet and hopefully the Queen as well is an acceptable trade. Just... don't let the Musashi sink. Also Yamato v. Iowa is cool as hell just on principle. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Apr 10, 2018 |
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The internet will be debating that one for quite a while, but 2 allied BB's face off against 8 and it isn't a conclusive stomping? The post war heroic underdog movies will be intolerable.
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I'm pretty sure the world wonders why the gently caress did the admiral in charge of the escort force decided to gently caress off and left everyone in the transport convoy for dead. 
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At this point, a division of Marines drowning is just another Tuesday so might as well let the Japanese have at them while hoping we hit our preset kill limits and shut down. And hell, it actually seemed to work a bit.
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Unless I'm being wildly optimistic about the number of strikes they have left it's gonna be a fun day for the Kido Butai tomorrow
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Danann posted:I'm pretty sure the world wonders why the gently caress did the admiral in charge of the escort force decided to gently caress off and left everyone in the transport convoy for dead. It was a cunning trap, those transports were loaded with cork and were a ploy to use up the enemy ammo. And by cork I mean marines.
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Sinking Iowa is great but I want Queen Elizabeth to go down too.
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Grey i thought you were british. Are you seriously trying to tell me that you command a navy that had the chance to sink Thatcher and you didn't even notice/comment on the fact that they let her live?
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SerthVarnee posted:Grey i thought you were british. He thought it was the guy coming to repair his roof.
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Ardeem posted:Ooof. We can't afford to trade battleships. Hopefully the Queen goes down and helps the score a little bit more. BB trading at this point, especially for the Iowa(!!) is probably fine. Grey has sunk a whole mess of American BBs, and they don't get that many of them. Losing one of their most modern ships is not good for them. Now, of course, the IJN still has to make it to port safely...
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SerthVarnee posted:Grey i thought you were british. Wait what? Is Thatcher in the area, historically?
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Decisive battle! DECISIVE BATTLE! Now I know why I couldn't sleep tonight.
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Dawncloack posted:Wait what? Is Thatcher in the area, historically? Yep. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Thatcher_(DD-514) If you mean Margaret Thatcher, unfortunately she was not destroyed for scrap in the 40s.
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fermun posted:If you mean Margaret Thatcher, unfortunately she was not destroyed for scrap in the 40s. Yeah, that was much more recent.
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The damage to Musashi is a lot more concerning.
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Remind me, is the Musashi the other Yamato-class BB? How's the Hyuga faring after that torpedo?
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Omobono posted:Remind me, is the Musashi the other Yamato-class BB? Yes, it is. The third was supposed to be the Shinano, but it was converted into a carrier after the Japanese figured that those might be more useful. Not that it much mattered in the event.
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 That was a fight. Trading Yamashiro for Iowa is a victory and I don't see how Queen stays afloat unless those shells were passing straight thru her. Whats Musashi's condition? Remember it took 19 torpedoes and 17 bombs to kill her at Leyte. MA-Horus fucked around with this message at 12:57 on Apr 10, 2018 |
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Grey Hunter posted:
And the 102nd Combat Engineer regiment was never heard from again.
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MA-Horus posted:
Some of the last 11 torpedos and probably all of the last 13 bombs in the last strike package were unneecssary
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Oh man, we got what we wanted. Though the cowards undercut our murderfest running out our big guns on their smaller fish, at least the Iowa went out in a battleship fight!
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oh, uh,  AtomikKrab, sparkmaster
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Nothing like a suite of morale victories to bolster the home presses! Will this mean that Greys surface fleet can act with near impunity outside a luckily massed carrier TF now that the Iowa is down? And is it worth counting damaged planes for anything?
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Some of the last 11 torpedos and probably all of the last 13 bombs in the last strike package were unneecssary Wasn't she the one that the ship was listing so hard when the last strike came in that they started putting torpedoes through the deck?
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So does this mean that in 30 years or whatever it'll be Space Battleship Musashi?
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Fperson1 posted:So does this mean that in 30 years or whatever it'll be Space Battleship Musashi? In this timeline, Anime doesn't exist.
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Looks like Hyuga has undergone the semi-carrier conversion but Ise hasn't.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:In this timeline, Anime doesn't exist. Why wouldn't it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdzrgJA_iWA http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-ca-mn-japanese-animation-momotaro-20170530-story.html
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