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Saladin Rising posted:Some confirmation that the SDF does indeed keep ISIS as prisoners (rather than executing them), and man it's a sad statement that this alone makes them the most humane faction in Syria. Can't help thinking they should try to force the issue by telling European countries they're going to start trials and executions if they don't take their citizens back. I'm not a supporter of the death penalty, but if people leave their comfortable European life behind to work for a genocidal terrorist group, I won't have a lot of sympathy for them if they do get killed. Some former ISIS members will probably have to be reconciled eventually in Iraq and Syria, but I don't think it should be Syrians' job to babysit the people who showed up from elsewhere to destroy their country. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Apr 9, 2018 |
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Sinteres posted:Can't help thinking they should try to force the issue by telling European countries they're going to start trials and executions if they don't take their citizens back. I'm not a supporter of the death penalty, but if people leave their comfortable European life behind to work for a genocidal terrorist group, I won't have a lot of sympathy for them if they do get killed. Some former ISIS members will probably have to be reconciled eventually in Iraq and Syria, but I don't think it should be Syrians' job to babysit the people who showed up from elsewhere to destroy their country. Most war criminals have at least enough sense of self-preservation to pretend to be remorseful for their war crimes when they're captured. Or at least to pretend they were "just following orders" or "unaware of the full picture". ie most of the Nazis at Nuremberg. Its pretty scary reading the ISIS interviews and seeing how completely brainwashed (or insane) those guys really are. I'm not sure how well someone like that could be rehabilitated into civil society.
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What do you guys think Trump is planning to do tonight regarding Syria?
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Grouchio posted:What do you guys think Trump is planning to do tonight regarding Syria? Asking Bibi and MBS what's on their wishlist.
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Grouchio posted:What do you guys think Trump is planning to do tonight regarding Syria? One thought I've had is that this might derail the "we're pulling out of Syria" at least for the time being. It wouldn't be too difficult to point out to Trump that his "we're leaving" statement was followed up by Assad gassing people, and that we need to show America isn't going to be pushed around by Assad and *insert standard America strong, other countries weak paragraph here*. It doesn't even matter if it's correct or not, just that Trump agrees with it.
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^ Pretty much. ˇ Also, pretty much!
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A modern day Robespierre
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French people should be pretty seriously offended by that. Hell, people beyond France should be offended too. The French Revolution got out of control, but it was at least ostensibly a movement dedicated to liberty. Whatever you believe about the ultimate goals of MBS for his own country, one of his earliest moves was helping the Egyptian military overthrow the democratic government there. Whatever you think about Morsi's ultimate intentions (I'm not an optimist), MBS obviously wasn't motivated by any desire to preserve freedom and democracy when plotting his overthrow. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Apr 9, 2018 |
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MBS is a a war criminal and Asad Abukhalili is a loving loony and I have zero respect for that senile goat fucker. I am pretty sure Trump will respond to the chemical attacks seeing that Fox News has been beating on the drums of war in their news coverage but the question is on how large will the retaliation be? Will it just be a gesture like the last attack aka attacking an almost empty airfield or will the targets be bigger this time? Guess we will find out soon.
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Savy Saracen salad posted:MBS is a a war criminal and Asad Abukhalili is a loving loony and I have zero respect for that senile goat fucker. Actually Asad Abukhalil is a really intelligent academic and a principled person, who has genuine interesting insights, I disagree with some things he says, but he's been largely consistent, I dont get why you're throwing racist slurs like that at him.
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A hope of a better future turned into empty promises and senseless massacres?
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Saladin Rising posted:If I had to guess, I'd say the first thing will be to blow up some stuff like he did with Shayrat airbase last time. After that I legitimately have no clue, or if the reaction to said blowing stuff up would even be the same as it was last time. There's a decent chance this latest tit-for-tat won't go anywhere. Trump gets to play puppetmaster having Israel do the dirt in this instance, Israel gets to do the only thing that seems to make them happy, Assad gets to spike the football in a defeated suburb as seems to be a pattern and the big wheel keeps on grinding on. there's just one little fly in the ointment: today is John Bolton's first day at his new job
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It was definitely chlorine gas. Look at the picture of the bomb that fell in that apartment block. See that orange/yellow dust all over the ground around it? Here's a picture of what chlorine gas looks like.
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Al-Saqr posted:Actually Asad Abukhalil is a really intelligent academic and a principled person, who has genuine interesting insights, I disagree with some things he says, but he's been largely consistent, I dont get why you're throwing racist slurs like that at him. He is a relic of the "Arab Socialist left" the same group of people whom belong to the "elite intelligentsia" whom are basically crypto fascists. All the military regimes in the Middle Easts drew legitimacy and support from such groups and in return gave them patronage thus they turned into totalitarian mouth pieces. Asad Abukhalil has many horrendous views and he was only forced to change some of them in order to save face in front of his more sane admirers. I actually attended one of his seminars early on in 2014 I think and he basically said the Syrian people have no right to revolt because Assad belongs to the "Resistance axis" .
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Brown Moses posted:<snip> You're brilliant. Keep being awesome.
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Sinteres posted:French people should be pretty seriously offended by that. Reminder that Macron has called himself "an august leader" and claimed the French people were on the side of the ancien regime. So two things, first - that clown has no idea what he's talking about, second - his compliment to MbS is an unintentional insult by comparing him to a force Macron had previously denounced.
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Brown Moses posted:"...a 22-millimeter gun that is carried by Syrian secret service..."
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Rent-A-Cop posted:That's got to be a typo right? It’s a common typo for .22 caliber which is a relatively small round. Small is still too big of it penetrates the head or heart. Generally handguns of that caliber are easily concealable and aren’t used by regular soldiers.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:That's got to be a typo right? Lol it must be. .45 rounds are only 11mm in diameter.
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steinrokkan posted:Reminder that Macron has called himself "an august leader" and claimed the French people were on the side of the ancien regime. So two things, first - that clown has no idea what he's talking about, second - his compliment to MbS is an unintentional insult by comparing him to a force Macron had previously denounced. I guess he was too busy being groomed by his teacher to learn much in class. 
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Trumps consulting Bolton about what he should do in Syria. 14 hours straight of bolton yelling on and on about BOMB THE gently caress OUT OF IRAN DEATH TO SYRIA DEATH TO ROUHANI
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If we dont get our response in the next 24 hours I would say it will be a much larger scale bombing then we expect. 48 hours is a way long time to bomb this  Image is old, but assad controls a few more air bases than this now. Still not a major bombardment campaign needing 2 days of delegation. If they put a JDAM through Assads house and then deny all responsibility
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Sinteres posted:French people should be pretty seriously offended by that. edit: he is now complaining that jacobin magazine is stealing his "macron scoop". And his own first post to this message was "By the way, I was being ironic." Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 09:30 on Apr 10, 2018 |
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How's Syrian AA these days? I might be making this up but I thought Russia was making noises about beefing it up since last year? And Syria did recently take down that Israeli jet. Maybe they just got lucky, maybe their AA has improved?
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Toplowtech posted:Oh, we are. Or we would be if the only source i ever saw of Macron saying that stupid poo poo wasn't you know some Twitter post without even a source. Postmodern leadership is getting really weird.
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Sinteres posted:Can't help thinking they should try to force the issue by telling European countries they're going to start trials and executions if they don't take their citizens back. I'm pretty sure that's what Euro governments would like, unfortunately the Kurds do not practice the death penalty.
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A Bag of Milk posted:I gotta say, a lot of the response to the latest chemical weapons strike is really hosed up and has hosed me up. I'm talking of course about the "anti-imperialist" left. Before the white foam has even stopped gurgling out of the childrens' mouths, all of these cretins have climbed upon the corpses and begun braying about false flags. This is the type of insipid tribalism and self-satisfied disregard for human dignity that I would expect from the right. And indeed the pro-Assad nationalist far right does make the same hollow, facile arguments! It's very distressing how many people that I genuinely like, look up to, and respect have fully bought into the whole rebels gassing themselves narrative. Is it that seeing chemical attacks and deciding that not retaliating is the right move would feel too monstrous and too difficult to reconcile? I really think the US military speaks for itself here on why direct military overthrow would leave more dead, scarred, and ruined than if our military would try to avoid confrontation with the SAA. Isn't that an even stronger anti-imperialist stance than needing to rely on these external rationalizations? Y'alls know that old bit about how if you purposefully rush to disagree with someone in all things, that you're really still letting them control you in a way? Sometimes I feel like this is much of the attitude of the "anti-imperialist" left towards US foreign policy. And so isn't that just its own type of nationalism, looking at everything from an American point of view?
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Cat Mattress posted:I'm pretty sure that's what Euro governments would like, unfortunately the Kurds do not practice the death penalty. Fair. Honestly I'm surprised Trump isn't throwing everyone in Gitmo.
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lollontee posted:Looks like I'm gonna have to re-workshop my plans for chemical cocktail bomber party. You don't really see multiple chemical weapons being used concurrently, do you? Multiple chemical weapons can be used (and have been used that way in WWI), but they're going to be in separate containers.
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Toplowtech posted:Oh, we are. Or we would be if the only source i ever saw of Macron saying that stupid poo poo wasn't you know some Twitter post without even a source. 
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Sinteres posted:Can't help thinking they should try to force the issue by telling European countries they're going to start trials and executions if they don't take their citizens back. I'm not a supporter of the death penalty, but if people leave their comfortable European life behind to work for a genocidal terrorist group, I won't have a lot of sympathy for them if they do get killed. Some former ISIS members will probably have to be reconciled eventually in Iraq and Syria, but I don't think it should be Syrians' job to babysit the people who showed up from elsewhere to destroy their country. pretty much, this is an idiot monsters who was fine with raping and executing people but now like the bully shithead he is, he is scared of the consequences but he has no remorse. if the kurds shoot this dude in some field somewhere the world will be a better place. if the west washes their hands of him and others, they have no right to bitch. Savy Saracen salad posted:MBS is a a war criminal and Asad Abukhalili is a loving loony and I have zero respect for that senile goat fucker. two other things. bolton is in the house now and he will probably want an invasion or other giant war poo poo. this and everything on the homefront is going really bad for donald. the walls are closing in on with the various corruption and possible treason stuff. he may "wag the dog".
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in what can only be described as a rare moment of decency. Omar al-Bashir (the dictator of Sudan) of all people has just announced that all political prisoners are to be set free immediately. https://twitter.com/a_sayyad/status/983716223342071810
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Well that's a blunt take: https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/983725316001730560
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I wonder what effect a successful assassination of Assad rn would even have... Surely not the disintegration of the regime right? I assume there's some Assad family member or warlord/general figurehead who would pick up the reigns. I mean the regime is closer and closer to "victory" even if it's in a country they had to shatter and empty which still has areas they have no control over.
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Punkin Spunkin posted:I wonder what effect a successful assassination of Assad rn would even have... Yeah it wouldn't do poo poo. He's a dictator, but he's a dictator who represents the interests of a lot of other people who'd still have incentives to pursue very similar policies if he was gone. Plus Russia and Iran aren't going to give up on their own interests in the country just because of some dude dying anyway. There might be a power struggle, but imo regime figures and their patrons have too much to lose for them not to figure it out. It probably would provide a pretty strong reason for his successor to stop using chemical weapons, but assassinating foreign heads of state is a pretty big red line we'd be crossing in the process too. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Apr 10, 2018 |
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